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Old 03-01-2009, 09:09 PM   #1
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Camaro SS vs 09 GT500

my cousin says once i get my SS there aint no way i can get his Shelby in a straight unless i Supercharge/Turbocharge it

what do you guys think? is there anyway the SS with all the boltons hang with a bone stock GT500 in a straight? i know itl destroy it in handling.

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Old 03-01-2009, 09:12 PM   #2
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maybe with all boltons and a bunch of weight removed.


or you could flatten his tires.
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Add all your standard boltons, but what is probaly slowing down the Camaro SS the most is it's 3.45 gears, remeber the Camaro SS has 28.7" tall tires. Switch to 3.73's ASAP.
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i still like the fact that the Camaro is NA and has the potential to hang with a Supercharged 500HP mustang.

and yes the tires are a must
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You might be able to pull through with drag radials that fit. It would probably be very close.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:29 PM   #6
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Yeah If you guys race on a race track, assuming both of you are about equal in driver skill, then the Camaro SS should murder the GT-500 on the track. The GT-500 brakes will fade and it does not like corners too well with 58% of its weight on it's front wheels.
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Your gonna have a hard time hangin with a gt500. Maybe he'll miss a shift.
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Yeah If you guys race on a race track, assuming both of you are about equal in driver skill, then the Camaro SS should murder the GT-500 on the track. The GT-500 brakes will fade and it does not like corners too well with 58% of its weight on it's front wheels.
yeah, but if you are going 1/4 mile, ~500hp > ~400hp on roughly the same weight, the brakes dont matter if the GT500 crosses the line first.


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i belive i can get him with drag radials if hes on regular tires.

1/4 mile difference between is 1/2 sec. isnt it?

i think the shelby's is 12.8 while the SS is 13.3
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yeah, but if you are going 1/4 mile, ~500hp > ~400hp on roughly the same weight, the brakes dont matter if the GT500 crosses the line first.


you can slow down when ur dead.

I suppose the SS and the SRT8 has to


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yeah, but if you are going 1/4 mile, ~500hp > ~400hp on roughly the same weight, the brakes dont matter if the GT500 crosses the line first.


you can slow down when ur dead.
well according to clarkson... the only 'real' races have left and right turns!

if that's the case, the SS should win... not only on brakes, but the IRS will rape that old straight axle on twisties

but... if it's a drag... you'd better get some good tires and hit some good shifts!
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:49 PM   #13
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Considering there is absolutely no concrete performance data on the Camaro to date, then you are simply guessing. Just so you know, I would not take the 12.8 magazine quarter mile time as what a stock GT500 will run. My 2007, with only 500 on the clock and in it's as delivered configuration including the stock F1 Goodyear's, ran 12.51 @ 113.81 (2.042 60ft) at Beech Bend Raceway in June 2008 (90 degree day).

You'll have to forgive the vast majority of folks on this board for their takes on what the GT500 can and cannot do well. Very few have ever sat behind the wheel of one, let alone actually make a dragstrip pass in one or make a lap or two on a road course. The only numbers they can spit out are what they have heard second or third-hand or read in some magazine along the way.

The only way to find out the outcome of the duel you proposed is to take actually make the race happen when you get your car. Anything else is just an opinion, and given this is a Gen5 Camaro board, most of those opinions are going to favor the Camaro SS.

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i belive i can get him with drag radials if hes on regular tires.

1/4 mile difference between is 1/2 sec. isnt it?

i think the shelby's is 12.8 while the SS is 13.3
.5 in a quarter mile is about 5 car lengths difference. That's an eternity in drag racing.

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Add all your standard boltons, but what is probaly slowing down the Camaro SS the most is it's 3.45 gears, remeber the Camaro SS has 28.7" tall tires. Switch to 3.73's ASAP.
Ummm....GT500's come standard with 3.31 gears, so they're at the same disadvantage or worse.

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Old 03-01-2009, 09:58 PM   #14
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ive driven his shelby. its crazy fast. im planning on going forced induction on the camaro anyway in a couple yrs. so no way itl catch me then. but like you hes planning on droppin a Kenne Bell in there
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Considering there is absolutely no concrete performance data on the Camaro to date, then you are simply guessing. Just so you know, I would not take the 12.8 magazine quarter mile time as what a stock GT500 will run. My 2007, with only 500 on the clock and in it's as delivered configuration including the stock F1 Goodyear's, ran 12.51 @ 113.81 (2.042 60ft) at Beech Bend Raceway in June 2008 (90 degree day).

You'll have to forgive the vast majority of folks on this board for their takes on what the GT500 can and cannot do well. Very few have ever sat behind the wheel of one, let alone actually make a dragstrip pass in one or make a lap or two on a road course. The only numbers they can spit out are what they have heard second or third-hand or read in some magazine along the way.

The only way to find out the outcome of the duel you proposed is to take actually make the race happen when you get your car. Anything else is just an opinion, and given this is a Gen5 Camaro board, most of those opinions are going to favor the Camaro SS.

.5 in a quarter mile is about 5 car lengths difference. That's an eternity in drag racing.

I really Can't wait until someone compares the SS and GT500
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I really Can't wait until someone compares the SS and GT500
I'm sure it will be happening at dragstrips and road courses throughout the summer and the results will be a mixed bag, I'm sure. The GM guys will post up every instance of a GT500 getting beat and the GT500 guys will do the same. Each camp will claim the results in the video are the norm for any SS/GT500 matchup and each will declare a decisive victory over the other.
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:10 PM   #17
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ive driven his shelby. its crazy fast. im planning on going forced induction on the camaro anyway in a couple yrs. so no way itl catch me then. but like you hes planning on droppin a Kenne Bell in there
While your figuring the cost of the blower kit go ahead and factor in a complete built shortblock with forged internals. With the gt500, throw a kenne bell on their and you have over 1000 crank hp at your disposal. I also dont understand the comments on braking, gt500 has brembos just like the camaro right?
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While your figuring the cost of the blower kit go ahead and factor in a complete built shortblock with forged internals. With the gt500, throw a kenne bell on their and you have over 1000 crank hp at your disposal. I also dont understand the comments on braking, gt500 has brembos just like the camaro right?
Yes, both have Brembo 4-piston calipers and 14" rotors. I believe the Camaro does have better rear brakes, however, than the GT500, but that has always confused me. According to the Camaro literature, the SS has 14.4" rear rotors and 4-piston rear calipers, but if the front brakes bear the majority of the load when braking, I'm not sure why they would have larger rear brakes than front brakes.
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The GT500 should be running with Corvettes, not Camaros, so if you're going to do this, you need to modify the Camaro pretty aggressively. Throw some money at lightweight rims, drag radials, cold-air intake, catback exhaust, long-tube headers, an aggressive tune, and a driver with anorexia.
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The GT500 should be running with Corvettes, not Camaros, so if you're going to do this, you need to modify the Camaro pretty aggressively. Throw some money at lightweight rims, drag radials, cold-air intake, catback exhaust, long-tube headers, an aggressive tune, and a driver with anorexia.
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Considering there is absolutely no concrete performance data on the Camaro to date, then you are simply guessing. Just so you know, I would not take the 12.8 magazine quarter mile time as what a stock GT500 will run. My 2007, with only 500 on the clock and in it's as delivered configuration including the stock F1 Goodyear's, ran 12.51 @ 113.81 (2.042 60ft) at Beech Bend Raceway in June 2008 (90 degree day).

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The only way to find out the outcome of the duel you proposed is to take actually make the race happen when you get your car. Anything else is just an opinion, and given this is a Gen5 Camaro board, most of those opinions are going to favor the Camaro SS.

.5 in a quarter mile is about 5 car lengths difference. That's an eternity in drag racing.

Ummm....GT500's come standard with 3.31 gears, so they're at the same disadvantage or worse.

No Deal!! the GT-500 has a positive displacement supercharger which means tons of power at the bottom, thus it does not really need an aggressive rear end gears.
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Yes, both have Brembo 4-piston calipers and 14" rotors. I believe the Camaro does have better rear brakes, however, than the GT500, but that has always confused me. According to the Camaro literature, the SS has 14.4" rear rotors and 4-piston rear calipers, but if the front brakes bear the majority of the load when braking, I'm not sure why they would have larger rear brakes than front brakes.
It has larger drakes in the rear I assume for better brake modulation/feel on the track. It is better than I think the 11.86" rear brakes on the GT-500.
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my cousin says once i get my SS there aint no way i can get his Shelby in a straight unless i Supercharge/Turbocharge it

what do you guys think? is there anyway the SS with all the boltons hang with a bone stock GT500 in a straight? i know itl destroy it in handling.
Oh there are ways besides using forced induction. Since people have already mentioned weight reduction, bolt-ons and better tires, oh toss something like 4.10 gear swap in there too. Between all that, you shouldn't have much of a problem with a GT500.

Now, have you considered spraying? Yeah its considered cheating by many, but your words were "ain't no way" and that is one way. A cam swap might do the trick too but it might not be the easiest way.
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All this discussion without touching on the halfshafts in the rear of the camaro. It will be interesting to see what they will be able to handle without failing.
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Well you figure they came out of the ZR1 the half shafts should be fine.
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