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View Poll Results: Price you would pay for a Twin Turbo kit?
Wouldnt buy it, not interested in making that much power 39 20.63%
Would pay $2000-$4000 86 45.50%
Would pay $4000-$6000 51 26.98%
Would pay $6000-$7000 11 5.82%
Would pay more if it was justified. 13 6.88%
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:23 PM   #1
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Would you Twin Turbo for the right price?

Would you find yourself buying a Twin Turbo kit for your V6 or your V8 ?

I planned on making a thread with a poll in it. I have a few associates that are certified GM technicians and others that are professional tuners/welders/installers who are planning on possibly starting a twin turbo kit to compete with the APS kits or others, and would be making them to start with the C6 corvettes.

Next would be on the SS camaro, followed very shortly by the V6 camaro.


Basically I am just trying to get a feel for the community, and what future owners would be interested in.

Feel free to expand this conversation.

The kit for the corvette will be started in about 3 weeks after all the parts arrive.
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:27 PM   #2
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:28 PM   #3
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Id do just about anything for the right price...lol
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Don't want to clutter up the engine that much.. if I go turbo it'll be just 1, but also tossing around supercharge idea.
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on my v6 why not LOL
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Single turbo...
This may be an option for the Camaro, but unfortunately not so easy on the Vettes. There is no room on that car, but may be on the camaro.

The only reason i suggested the twin setup is you have different options to pick from obviously.

Twin 30r's will make like 550/600 on pump gas. Would spool very very quickly as if you didnt even know they were there.

Twin HTA3586's would be a little slower at spooling, but would make easy over 700whp on pump gas.

The race gas numbers would be astronomical, and would obviously require a full build, but then again, 1300 whp would be nasty ? ? ?!!!


One big fat turbo normally makes power, and is cheaper, but spool is an issue.
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This may be an option for the Camaro, but unfortunately not so easy on the Vettes. There is no room on that car, but may be on the camaro.

The only reason i suggested the twin setup is you have different options to pick from obviously.

Twin 30r's will make like 550/600 on pump gas. Would spool very very quickly as if you didnt even know they were there.

Twin HTA3586's would be a little slower at spooling, but would make easy over 700whp on pump gas.

The race gas numbers would be astronomical, and would obviously require a full build, but then again, 1300 whp would be nasty ? ? ?!!!


One big fat turbo normally makes power, and is cheaper, but spool is an issue.
I would be interested in a turbo app, the price would have to be right though and would like to see some other set-ups that are done and tuned, first. I am sure if it is reputable and the right price it would be pretty easy to find some takers. There should definately be enough room to run a single turbo set-up in the Camaro if someone wanted to go that route.
Btw what yr Evo is that you have? I previously owned a 2006 MR with PT67 forward facing turbo set up with alot of work done. Anyways just curious.


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I would be interested in a turbo app, the price would have to be right though and would like to see some other set-ups that are done and tuned, first. I am sure if it is reputable and the right price it would be pretty easy to find some takers. There should definately be enough room to run a single turbo set-up in the Camaro if someone wanted to go that route.
Btw what yr Evo is that you have? I previously owned a 2006 MR with PT67 forward facing turbo set up with alot of work done. Anyways just curious.


Another evo fan!

Its a 2006.. And it had a ETS GT37r on it.. Was making over 700whp and just recently decided to go a different route, because one morning i woke up and realized i spent like eleventy billion dollars on it lol

Here is my link to it

http://forums.evolutionm.net/sale-ca...er-evo-ix.html

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but here is a quick peek !

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Another evo fan!

Its a 2006.. And it had a ETS GT37r on it.. Was making over 700whp and just recently decided to go a different route, because one morning i woke up and realized i spent like eleventy billion dollars on it lol

Here is my link to it

http://forums.evolutionm.net/sale-ca...er-evo-ix.html

Bunch of videos inside.

but here is a quick peek !

Very nice. Yeah I spent a bunch too, it was fun thoug. I was @ 600hp on a stock block. Was going to build the bottom end, never got there though. You have a nice car, are you getting a Camaro or what? the Evo's are a blast, but the Camaro is a whole nother beast.
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I dont understand why the logic on this site is if you want more performance just get the v8 dont mod your v6...what if you want your v6 to be faster and maintain the higher mpg ??
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Looking at all boosted options. It will come down to price versus performance.
Torque and Horsepower
First with stock LS3/L99 and second with billet bottom end

The possibilities:
Magnuson
Whipple
Eaton
ProCharger
ATS Twin Turbo
STS Twin Turbo
Nelson Twin Turbo (must have built motor)

The average price point for these seems to be in the 5 - 7K range for 550-600 hp and corresponding torque.

Any others?

I don't mean to be negative, but if you just create a "me too" twin turbo kit, you are fighting the incumbents with a track record. If you can come in at a better price point, then you should have something marketable. I hope your team has the ability to provide this type of solution. Good Luck !
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Definitely do up the v6 man I'm down!!!
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Looking at all boosted options. It will come down to price versus performance.
Torque and Horsepower
First with stock LS3/L99 and second with billet bottom end

The possibilities:
Magnuson
Whipple
Eaton
ProCharger
ATS Twin Turbo
STS Twin Turbo
Nelson Twin Turbo (must have built motor)

The average price point for these seems to be in the 5 - 7K range for 550-600 hp and corresponding torque.

Any others?

I don't mean to be negative, but if you just create a "me too" twin turbo kit, you are fighting the incumbents with a track record. If you can come in at a better price point, then you should have something marketable. I hope your team has the ability to provide this type of solution. Good Luck !
I 100% agree. That is why i wanted to understand what the buyer wanted before i product development, market penetration and the possibility of failure. I am a non traditional thinker

The shop has been building turbo kits for Evo's/Sti's/Solstices/cobalts/and honda/DSM's etc etc. Making power is nothing new to these guys either, and the tuner himself tunes cars like Brent Rau's 6 second 1/4 mile eclipse as well as many others with 7/8/9 and so on second cars.

I really feel that with the right price, this could be accomplished, but if there is a very small market for it, then the R&D would amount more than the sales of the few kits. I always wanted to make twin turbo kits for the v6 mustangs/camaros back in the day when performance selection was limited.

We will see how well the process goes on the car we have in the shop now. Got to get all the flanges made, runners, exhaust mounting points etc etc made, so it will take some time. Dont have any kits to just "knock off" so to speak. Will keep looking on here. I appreciate the responses!!
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Bro keep us updated...I started a thread for mods to the V6 for links etc if you want to post a link there your more than welcome!
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Very nice. Yeah I spent a bunch too, it was fun thoug. I was @ 600hp on a stock block. Was going to build the bottom end, never got there though. You have a nice car, are you getting a Camaro or what? the Evo's are a blast, but the Camaro is a whole nother beast.
I love GG evo's man, always wanted one, them wheels are sharp.. I approached it as a completely STOCK looking evo that was a street terror. loved the look from supra owners or Z06 owners lol...


As for what i plan to get, I am leaning towards a C6 vette right now, Originally wanted a SS but i kinda got turned off by the interior. Its still a toss up though, and a back seat would be nice. Time will tell, and I have never owned a Camaro/Mustang... Always uncle Ben specials
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Bro keep us updated...I started a thread for mods to the V6 for links etc if you want to post a link there your more than welcome!
Thanks man! Getting pricing together on parts that would be needed over the weeks time.. should see if its possible to make it affordable, and still top quality. If both cannot be done, then i wouldnt sacrifice quality for power.
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Your welcome bro!! Gotta help each other out!!
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I think your pole prices are a bit low ... especially for a twin set up. For street stuff, twins are definitely the way to go but it IS more expensive. I'm a dealer for both APS & STS and I can tell you that for a twin set up, you're gonna pay more than you have in your "pole" for the kit. THEN you have to have it installed and tuned. In the end, it is WAY worth it but lets be realistic when asking what people will pay.
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Hey codefive those STS are for v8's only now right??
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i voted for the 4k to 6k ,but thats with forged internals and a good boost controller
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:07 AM   #23
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I think your pole prices are a bit low ... especially for a twin set up. For street stuff, twins are definitely the way to go but it IS more expensive. I'm a dealer for both APS & STS and I can tell you that for a twin set up, you're gonna pay more than you have in your "pole" for the kit. THEN you have to have it installed and tuned. In the end, it is WAY worth it but lets be realistic when asking what people will pay.


Well, when gauging for prices, you normally get the interest of the buyer, from an anticipated price. When its released, if there is enough hype, a "few" dollars, would not tarnish the thought of purchasing something as big as a twin turbo kit.

As an aps dealer, you also know how much money is involved in getting them shipped to your door, and how i am sure you would get in trouble if you let anyone buy it and install it themselves, am i correct?


Prices are really not that crazy to make it.. Having people who build exhaust manifolds, and turbo kits for cars for a living, find it easier than it sounds...

As for prices.... Having contacts at FP performance, Tial, and a few others keep hardware prices possibly lower than anyone else can even touch em for. Then the pipe bending, and R&D would be done in house, and sent to a company for the mass production of exhaust components etc etc.

Lingenfelter charges like $50,000 for a twin turbo kit installed with motor build. costs them about $10,000 ? kinda sucks, but that is business.


Besides, you cannot charge the same for the corvette twin turbo kit, as you would the camaro... remember, there is a corvette tax


Oh the 2000 to 4000 was for instructions j/k lol
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I dont know so much about putting in a twin turbo, i would rather have a continuous power curve as well as that sweet sound of a S/C. My friend just put in a S/C on his NSX, and the thing is ridiculous.
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Hey codefive those STS are for v8's only now right??
ACTUALLY ... Last conversation I had with STS they said they will be doing the V-6 Camaro first. Should be offering single turbo kits for the V-6 & V-8 w/ a twin kit option on the V-8 to start. I'm sure you could get the twin kit for the V-6, after all, the front stuff will be the same regardless if single or twin, and the twin rear parts will surely fit in the V-6 car.

I think that 300HP V6 will really respond w/ 5-7psi. I am willing to bet you will see a significant gain.
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