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Old 05-17-2011, 02:33 PM   #127
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honestly not to be rude it just sounds like a bunch of excuses and that gm has thrown in the towel and that we just have to accept how they build things......my response to expenses is get it done it is there job isnt it?


I'm going to say this so Scott doesn't have to, "I haven't seen you in any of the board meetings."
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:40 PM   #128
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Yeah bud, I just read that too. The Camaro is just always stuck getting left overs and hand me downs, now the chassis they intended to use is being fattened up by Cadillac. If GM enters the ring with a 4000lbs pony car while Ford is intending to go lightweight this time, it will be over before it started. It starts with the Chassis, and the Alpha is (so I hear) a lightweight chassis but it won't be if Caddy keeps adding its own touches to it. This is something Ford seen coming if they were to share platforms with the Falcon. Since the Falcon is either gone and replaced by the Mustang down under (most likely) it leaves the Mustang completely free of the sedan market. The Falcon could come back in 2014 and share the Mustang's new chassis (also likely and even better) and would make a very lightweight sedan but a horrible 4 door... I don't know at this point, kinda pissed at Caddy to tell you the truth...
Before we go all doom and gloom about something that may happen to the Camaro 5+ years from now, lets stop and remember that Chevy and GM both know that a 2 ton monster wont make it in the pony car market. If anything has been done with respect to the 6th gen its just been talk and ideas. Right now the only thing we, as the consumer, can do is drive the development of a "possible" Z28. I use "possible" since Number3 hates when we say Z28 like its a real thing.
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:42 PM   #129
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I'm going to say this so Scott doesn't have to, "I haven't seen you in any of the board meetings."
lol i dont have to be im the consumer and the one buying their product ppl seem to forget that
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Old 05-17-2011, 03:01 PM   #130
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Before we go all doom and gloom about something that may happen to the Camaro 5+ years from now, lets stop and remember that Chevy and GM both know that a 2 ton monster wont make it in the pony car market. If anything has been done with respect to the 6th gen its just been talk and ideas. Right now the only thing we, as the consumer, can do is drive the development of a "possible" Z28. I use "possible" since Number3 hates when we say Z28 like its a real thing.
Well spoken, were on a roll here too. I think Number 3 will chime in here soon and critique our ideas so lets get our ideas up here so he can give us thumbs up/thumbs down and we can keep going/correct what ever needs to be.

We also need to form a Z committee and get organized, we, the body, should vote for one moderator as the head and from there he delegates task to the body. Everything from advertisement, promotions, drivetrain figures, transmission specs, R&D, Estimated MSRP and so on... Sounds like fun and I am bored...
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Old 05-17-2011, 03:12 PM   #131
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honestly id like a new head design, (my tranny), slimmer body chasis, engine output of about 520 hp and 460lbs of tq, mag suspen, keep the angle eyes, functional hood keeps engine bay temps low for higher rpm sustainment, above 8000 rpm redline, nothing bigger than a 4.8 liter, computer sensing momentum output of the car around corners to use optimum cornering for the engine, exhaust escaping on the sides behind the driver door but not to close,hmmmmmm and about 43,000 msrp.
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Old 05-17-2011, 05:04 PM   #132
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Edit: By the way, I have heard that the 6th Gen Camaro is going back to the swept look that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Gens had. That rumor received a 50/50 response, I am still on the /
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the 6th gen Camaro's design language will return to the sporty low slung looks of the 2nd through 4th gen F-body.......

........It's not going to look like a 4th gen. I'm not really a fan either. The point is that it'll go back to the swoopy styling and proportions that have marked the F-car for 3 generations.
Definitely not to be taken as fact but fun to read.
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Old 05-17-2011, 05:49 PM   #134
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:01 PM   #135
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Notice Number 3's comments on decontenting the ZL1 to a Z28. The fewer changes the quicker the realities.
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:18 PM   #136
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Notice Number 3's comments on decontenting the ZL1 to a Z28. The fewer changes the quicker the realities.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:31 PM   #137
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Those teams are doing something with the suspensions mounting points that are making the cars handle very, very well.
Yup. They're called solid sub-frame mounting-point bushings...GREAT for racing. HORRIBLE for the comfort demanded of a street car.

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I would say that the 6th Gen Camaro adopts the Corvette's chassis so they could start with a very lightweight setup. They could easily reach 3200lbs with an Ecotec 2.0 and cost would still be mitigated because it still is technically global. I doubt anyone on Team Corvette would want to hear any of that though...
Y-Body is not flexible. It's simply a Corvette.

They'd need to design an entirely new RWD platform...

But we're still not sure what we're reading. If it's the Alpha CTS-V that is reaching 4000 lbs...that's already an improvement on the current model. Who knows what the rumor is about?...
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Yup. They're called solid sub-frame mounting-point bushings...GREAT for racing. HORRIBLE for the comfort demanded of a street car.


Y-Body is not flexible. It's simply a Corvette.

They'd need to design an entirely new RWD platform...

But we're still not sure what we're reading. If it's the Alpha CTS-V that is reaching 4000 lbs...that's already an improvement on the current model. Who knows what the rumor is about?...
Gotcha, read into the Corvette chassis in depth last night...

and, I am also reading that that 4000lbs maybe the AWD version so that's not too shabby if its an AWD, TT V6, 4 door sedan. If it is the CTS-V that means the 2SS Camaro could easily see a 260lb weight loss. I have no idea how much the 2012 Camaro 2SS weighs this year though but I think it is around 3910. Still, that's about 3650lbs...way better than before...

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Old 05-17-2011, 11:58 PM   #139
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Well spoken, were on a roll here too. I think Number 3 will chime in here soon and critique our ideas so lets get our ideas up here so he can give us thumbs up/thumbs down and we can keep going/correct what ever needs to be.

We also need to form a Z committee and get organized, we, the body, should vote for one moderator as the head and from there he delegates task to the body. Everything from advertisement, promotions, drivetrain figures, transmission specs, R&D, Estimated MSRP and so on... Sounds like fun and I am bored...
I like this idea.
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