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Old 05-18-2011, 01:27 PM   #151
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I'm lookin' at the Jay Leno hood right now to see if I can just transplant it on to our Z28.

Where do you want me to move the fog lights to?
above the vents but not to much directly below the headlights just offset
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:48 PM   #152
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See what it looks like if you remove the bowtie and have smaller spokes on the wheels ( not as wide).
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See what it looks like if you remove the bowtie, and have smaller spokes on the wheels ( not as wide).
Here's the Bow Tie delete, let me see if I can do a quick chop on the wheels. Wheel's are not a major priority as they can be swapped and one wheel never fits all... Bow Tie delete does look cool though...

Edit: Yeah, wheels are gonna be a nightmare and a couple hours to pull off, I would rather just search the web and find something I can transplant...
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Here's the Bow Tie delete, let me see if I can do a quick chop on the wheels. Wheel's are not a major priority as they can be swapped and one wheel never fits all... Bow Tie delete does look cool though...
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See what it looks like if you remove the bowtie, and have smaller spokes on the wheels ( not as wide).
I can throw the stock chrome wheels back on it though, the spokes look thinner.
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can you make em a lil thinner? and oh the exhaust come out on the side
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can you make em a lil thinner? and oh the exhaust come out on the side
The wheels are the last thing we will worry about, I am looking for SSX wheels that will fit. The original concept had side exhaust but I removed it, anyone that has seen how side exhaust is set up never wants it.
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The wheels are the last thing we will worry about, I am looking for SSX wheels that will fit. The original concept had side exhaust but I removed it, anyone that has seen how side exhaust is set up never wants it.
ssx wheels are good
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This is where I'm gonna leave off for tonight, maybe try to work in the Jay Leno heat extractor hood a little later. I am really happy with the product so far, did some minor touch ups and replaced the concept side mirror with the stock one. I also repositioned the Z28 badge in the grille after the bowtie delete and re-sized it.

I will fool around with it tomorrow... I would love to hear what Number 3 thinks...

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Old 05-18-2011, 04:15 PM   #160
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It's really aggressive and looks very athletic, kind of like a 5th Gen went to the gym for cardio. This build has to be part of a refresh though, the entire car is smaller starting at the front fascia. The front fenders are not as tall as the current car, the rear end is about 3-4 inches shorter... I am going to see if I can get it a little more lean... Look at the front fender height compared to the current car, the fenders are about 2-3 inches (maybe more) shorter. This actually lowers the hood and makes outward windshield visibility better..
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This is where I'm gonna leave off for tonight, maybe try to work in the Jay Leno heat extractor hood a little later. I am really happy with the product so far, did some minor touch ups and replaced the concept side mirror with the stock one. I also repositioned the Z28 badge in the grille after the bowtie delete and re-sized it.

I will fool around with it tomorrow... I would love to hear what Number 3 thinks...
Not sure how functional that chin would be aero wise.
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Car looks bad ass with the bowtie off.

What do you guys think?
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The wheels are the last thing we will worry about, I am looking for SSX wheels that will fit. The original concept had side exhaust but I removed it, anyone that has seen how side exhaust is set up never wants it.
I think long ago it was stated that it would not work for a factory car along with a functional mail slot.
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Here are some revised Z/28 designs. I noticed more people liking the spy shot Z28 and the BB v.2 ram air hood. I personally dont like that version of the hood. So I made a revision to my original Z/28 concept that intergraded the "BB v.2" cues in a fashion that made me love it. Also I included a Z/28 only hood stripe on one.







Here is what was designed by Jinx a while ago. Also it may be able to make the the Leno fog light multi function as brake ducts.


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Not sure how functional that chin would be aero wise.
The one piece bumper cover/splitter fascia is intended to eliminate air from going under the car and dispense airflow to the sides or into the radiator. I would also like to see the Z28 GS.R come with an adjustable splitter that bolts on to the factory splitter (the Intimidator Camaro's splitter). The adjustable splitter does not come attached to the Z28, it is for off road use only and is to be mounted before competition (same with the rear adjustable spoiler). Race speeds for this car should be between 70 and 130mph as many other cars in its class speeds are.

Z28 GS.R additional factory race equipment (Adjustable front splitter & Adjustable rear spoiler). Race equipment can be used as replacements for the OEM splitter (if the splitter is not one piece with the fascia) and spoiler, Race equipment is for off road use ONLY:
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Car looks badass with the bowtie off.

What do you guys think?
Thanks man, we will get to the wheels after we sort the body out.
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One of the things I love about this refresh is the simple rear end downsizing. I decreased the overhang behind the rear tire by 3-4 inches which really tightened up the rear end from the profile angle.
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honestly not to be rude it just sounds like a bunch of excuses and that gm has thrown in the towel and that we just have to accept how they build things......my response to expenses is get it done it is there job isnt it?
Its not excueses, its engineering. And you don't have to accept how they build things, there are a dozen other automakers who you can buy from if you want. But only GM makes Camaros.

As for cost ... there's never a free lunch. Everything always costs something. Be it money, or weight, or quality/effectiveness. Take the structure of the car for example. They went with a low cost structure that was very strong. As a result, its heavy. For about the same cost they could make it lighter by going with less steel. Problem is, its not nearly as strong anymore (lowering the quality/effectiveness). Alternatively, they could have kept it strong and went with another metal, such as aluminum, to save weight. But now its expensive.

Balancing those factors, along with many others, is whats at the core of engineering. It applies to all the parts in the car.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:47 PM   #171
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honestly not to be rude it just sounds like a bunch of excuses and that gm has thrown in the towel and that we just have to accept how they build things......my response to expenses is get it done it is there job isnt it?
I had a whole diatribe on the Z28 with a bunch of good stuff and ended up just saving it in a word file. I wish to be careful no one misinterprets what I post. Sometimes I like to be a fan boy too.

That being said, GM is in the business of????................what??...................... ...........can't hear you?? oh making cars you say??? ...................................WRONG!!!!! GM is in business to make $$, piles and piles of $$$$$$. For a Z28 to work, it must be profitable. And the low volume cars must be VERY profitable. It has nothing to do with throwing in the towel. Every single suggestion made in this thread and others for a Z28 is "possible". LS7? Sure, toss it in. Super duper suspension? Name it and it's done. Carbon fiber, magnesium, aluminium???? All in baby. But GM has to make money on the proposition. ANNNNNND GM has to overall make more money than if they didn't do a Z28. If it were your business, would you do a Z28 if it took sales from the Z06 which was even more profitable??? No you wouldn't.

Keep in mind the Z28 is a hallowed name plate within GM. You can bet your bottom dollar that it has at least been discussed by leaders at very high levels. "Can we make money on it????" And that's the key. Can you imagine running your own business and going to the bank to ask for a loan............."I know I won't make any money on this idea, and in fact I might hurt my overall business, but would you loan me some money to go do this product because it's so cooooool"?

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Its not excueses, its engineering. And you don't have to accept how they build things, there are a dozen other automakers who you can buy from if you want. But only GM makes Camaros.

As for cost ... there's never a free lunch. Everything always costs something. Be it money, or weight, or quality/effectiveness. Take the structure of the car for example. They went with a low cost structure that was very strong. As a result, its heavy. For about the same cost they could make it lighter by going with less steel. Problem is, its not nearly as strong anymore (lowering the quality/effectiveness). Alternatively, they could have kept it strong and went with another metal, such as aluminum, to save weight. But now its expensive.

Balancing those factors, along with many others, is whats at the core of engineering. It applies to all the parts in the car.
Ahhhhhh, there you go using the balance word.
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Old 05-18-2011, 08:59 PM   #174
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This thread is certainly interesting to watch...so many ideas...

If there is going to be a "refresh", it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing. I'm sure whatever it is, it'll look great.
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I transplanted the Jay Leno heat extractor vents into the hood but at this angle, the vents are not really that visible.. but they are on there and lookin' good. I also took almost two inches off the frame below the drivers door trying to slim down the body a little bit more. I will continue to smooth out some of the paint around the rough areas (around the heat extractor vents and the front splitter) and continue to make cuts here and there and see what I can come up with throughout the day...

Experimenting with assorted spoiler designs too.

Edit: Ducktail spoiler added with "CAMARO" decal. (Black with silver stripe or just black?)
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