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Old 05-13-2011, 12:56 AM   #1
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Achieving Low Gloss (Black Car)

I'm certain that the best my car ever looked was the first week I bought it.
Ok ok... now they're all pretty when they're new, but really. I take a whack of pics all the time. I just can't get enough of this girl! Below was taken last winter when I spent a day doing a full detail by hand.

So before I visit the dealer and ask their "secret" I thought I'd start here.

Is there a low gloss or low sheen polish out there? Or is there a method when applying?? I gotta know! I want that look back!! lol

My motivation in asking is looking for a way to hide surface scratches. My current (by hand) application gives me a mirror finish but up close I can see those scratches. Any suggestions? Or do I really need to invest in a Porter Cable, go old fashioned and work out those scratches?
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Old 05-13-2011, 01:53 AM   #2
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Why mask them when you can remove them? It's safe with the Porter Cable and definitely necessary for any Black Car. You're white seats still get me man, they are just awesome when I get my SS within a year I will be putting White Leather Seats in them
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the junkman on youtube great video on car care.
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Old 05-13-2011, 11:34 AM   #4
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You should invest in the Porter Cable and some Adam's Polishes products. That will get you the results you are seeking.
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Bottom line is to remove the imperfections and not just hide them you need a polisher... the good news is that somewhere in the hundreds of your fellow camaro owners on this site have gone from never touching a polisher before to getting great results. Its easy to learn and totally safe even for a novice.

As I've mentioned many times before: Its a numbers game -
  • A Porter Cable 7424xp oscillates 6800 times a minute
  • A Flex 3401vrg oscillates at 9600 times a minute with 480rpm
  • Your arm is caped around 40 oscillations per minute and even with 2 pots of coffee and a case of redbull you'd never maintain that speed for an entire car

Its gonna take some SERIOUS recreational drug use to even get your arm moving north of 60opm for any period of time, and you'd likely drop dead at the end of the process
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Bottom line is to remove the imperfections and not just hide them you need a polisher... the good news is that somewhere in the hundreds of your fellow camaro owners on this site have gone from never touching a polisher before to getting great results. Its easy to learn and totally safe even for a novice.

As I've mentioned many times before: Its a numbers game -
  • A Porter Cable 7424xp oscillates 6800 times a minute
  • A Flex 3401vrg oscillates at 9600 times a minute with 480rpm
  • Your arm is caped around 40 oscillations per minute and even with 2 pots of coffee and a case of redbull you'd never maintain that speed for an entire car

Its gonna take some SERIOUS recreational drug use to even get your arm moving north of 60opm for any period of time, and you'd likely drop dead at the end of the process
For a discount on recreational drugs to use, PM Dylan directly and use promo code CTRBND

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shhhhhh.... don't be blowin' up the secret ingredient in detail spray... why do you think that stuff is so addictive? LOL
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There's no secret formula my friend, just the PC and some Adams.

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Damn expensive Porter Cable...

Ok Ok... I get it. Looks like I'll have to make the investment. You see, when I took the above pic, it was like I mentioned, after a day of "by hand" polishing and waxing. "By hand" wasn't the origional intention. I was out shopping for a PC the day before and didn't like the price, so I bought a cheap version that I learned later, didn't oscilate, but spun... at violent speeds! lol

All that one did was make a huge mess, and turned a tough job into a real pisser! So, I threw that hateful thing aside and spent the day... the whole day... by hand.

Dylan... what role do you play at Adams?? Cause Canadian Tire seem to be stuck exclusively on Megguiars and Mothers. I only wish they supplied Adams products. I spent some time watching Junkman's videos and would like to follow his steps to the tee.... unfortunately my first wrong step was buying that crap polisher. It was all down hill from there! lol



And thanks for the compliment skillz! I'm a sucker for the classic black and white look. I get it from my dad. Here's his 1971:
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Dylan... what role do you play at Adams?? Cause Canadian Tire seem to be stuck exclusively on Megguiars and Mothers. I only wish they supplied Adams products. I spent some time watching Junkman's videos and would like to follow his steps to the tee.... unfortunately my first wrong step was buying that crap polisher. It was all down hill from there! lol
My job list of titles doesn't fit on my business card LOL... being a small outfit (9 people total) a lot of us have to fill a lot of roles.

You likely will never see us in a place like Canadian Tire, Pep boys, Kragen, etc... reason is thats not our business model. As you can tell from our involvement here on the forum that customer interaction and education is just a big a part of our line as anything - we simply can't rely on the afterschool HS kid to do our products any justice on store shelves.

Plus, thats a market that competes on price, not quality... you have to hit that magic $6.99 price point (or whatever it may be) for Detail Spray, doesn't matter how well it works, it has to be cheap... being that ours retails at $12.95 people simply wouldn't understand why.

We're content being a boutique and speed shop brand... the world of mass retail simply isn't for us and we kind of like it that way.
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Dylan, I was just at lowes and saw they have a PC 7346sp, I have gift cards for there, how does it stack up to the 7424xp? PS, never used a power tool to polish my car before, I watched the junkman vid about the 7424xp and it convinced me I was safe from buffing my paint off, lol, is the 7346sp just as safe?
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Damn expensive Porter Cable...

Ok Ok... I get it. Looks like I'll have to make the investment. You see, when I took the above pic, it was like I mentioned, after a day of "by hand" polishing and waxing. "By hand" wasn't the origional intention. I was out shopping for a PC the day before and didn't like the price, so I bought a cheap version that I learned later, didn't oscilate, but spun... at violent speeds! lol

All that one did was make a huge mess, and turned a tough job into a real pisser! So, I threw that hateful thing aside and spent the day... the whole day... by hand.

Dylan... what role do you play at Adams?? Cause Canadian Tire seem to be stuck exclusively on Megguiars and Mothers. I only wish they supplied Adams products. I spent some time watching Junkman's videos and would like to follow his steps to the tee.... unfortunately my first wrong step was buying that crap polisher. It was all down hill from there! lol



And thanks for the compliment skillz! I'm a sucker for the classic black and white look. I get it from my dad. Here's his 1971:
your dad's 71 is awesome, I have a 71 RS Camaro.
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Dylan, I was just at lowes and saw they have a PC 7346sp, I have gift cards for there, how does it stack up to the 7424xp? PS, never used a power tool to polish my car before, I watched the junkman vid about the 7424xp and it convinced me I was safe from buffing my paint off, lol, is the 7346sp just as safe?
The 7346sp is actually the EXACT same tool, the only difference will be the accessories its packaged with. Anything "SP" will include sanding discs, a sanding plate, and may have a different counterweight.

According to the Porter Cable parts list:

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So all you'd really need aside from the machine is the backing plate, pads, and polishes... if you have a gift card I say go for it!
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My job list of titles doesn't fit on my business card LOL... being a small outfit (9 people total) a lot of us have to fill a lot of roles.

You likely will never see us in a place like Canadian Tire, Pep boys, Kragen, etc... reason is thats not our business model. As you can tell from our involvement here on the forum that customer interaction and education is just a big a part of our line as anything - we simply can't rely on the afterschool HS kid to do our products any justice on store shelves.

Plus, thats a market that competes on price, not quality... you have to hit that magic $6.99 price point (or whatever it may be) for Detail Spray, doesn't matter how well it works, it has to be cheap... being that ours retails at $12.95 people simply wouldn't understand why.

We're content being a boutique and speed shop brand... the world of mass retail simply isn't for us and we kind of like it that way.
I got to say I love my Adams stuff. It works great. The main reason that I by Adams is that you cant beat the support. Try to get one of the tortoise wax guys to answer one of your technical questions. On the other hand, Dylan or the Junkman or one of the many users on here will always give you a hand. Its a bonus to be supporting a small business. I own one and just like to see the little guy succeed.
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Which is better, machine superwax or the americana? What do you do with the stripes, just avoid getting very close to them? I have matte black ones.
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Which is better, machine superwax or the americana? What do you do with the stripes, just avoid getting very close to them? I have matte black ones.
I wax right over my stripes, then just go around the edges with a detail brush if there's any wax buildup there. Mine are cyber grey on a black car though, so they're glossy.
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Which is better, machine superwax or the americana? What do you do with the stripes, just avoid getting very close to them? I have matte black ones.

The machine wax is very durable, Dylan can chime in on the diff......

I use some blue painters masking tape on the edge of my stripes, I only use detail spray on those, no wax.
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Which is better, machine superwax or the americana? What do you do with the stripes, just avoid getting very close to them? I have matte black ones.
Define "better". Better durability? Better looking? Better value?

Superwax (soon to be renamed Super sealant) is a polymer product, applied only using the PC and a gray pad, and offers the most durability per application of any of our products. Characteristically of synthetic sealants its got a very bright, reflective, mirror like shine to it, but not much in the way of depth. If you want the most protection and less frequent applications this is the "better" choice for you.

Americana is a natural paste wax made using the highest grade of brazilian carnuba available. It provides good resistance to detergents and the elements, but not as good as a synthetic polymer will. The reason to choose Americana is the look. Over properly prepped and polished paint it will give you a nice, deep, wet look. So if you're looking to pamper your car and want the most primo stuff we offer this is the "better" choice for you.

All comes down to what you want out of your last step product.

To tweak your noodle a little more, many of our customers like to layer these products (Americana over Superwax) for a different effect. Just food for thought.
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Wow! Good info, thank you very much!
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I wax right over my stripes, then just go around the edges with a detail brush if there's any wax buildup there. Mine are cyber grey on a black car though, so they're glossy.
That is exactly what you should NOT be doing. The edges of the stripes should be masked off with painters tape. You should never buff up against them at any time. Over time, they will begin to peel and start looking like crap around the edges for that very reason. I also tell guys not to put anything on the stripes, especially anything with silicon in it. That's a sure fire way to cause them to age quicker than they normally would. Look at the lovely job that Armor-all does to dash boards.

One thing that has not been addressed in this thread is how the damage got into the OP's paint to begin with. Everyone is quick to address the damage, but no one ever talks about how it came to be. It does absolutely no good to fix your paint damage if you are not going to address how it came to be in the first place. If you don't address the source of the damage, you are forced to continually repair your paint. That is a ridiculous and vicious cycle to constantly be going through. So to the OP, you need to learn how to properly wash your car before you start fixing the paint. You also need to learn how to properly remove dust from the car before you fix the paint. I address both of these very important issues in my many detailing video series.

That's where you need to start before you spend a dime.
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Amen Junkman! I knew it wasn't good to get anything slippery next to something that is supposed to be sticky, lol, maybe why mine still look brand new.
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Bond, if I may. I was one who knew absolutely nothing about detailing or keeping a car clean, one reason I didn't buy a black car. But I soon realized RJT was just as bad for swirls/scratches low gloss etc.....

I have followed the videos and advice of Dylan, Junkman, CamaroRyan and others who have alot more experience than me and learned over time a few things that I would like to share that might help you achieve what you want.

1. Patience is the first thing. I tried to rush and that is exactly what I got, a rushed job- looked horrible, tore up my pads, wasted product etc...

2. Watch the video's, then watch them again and again and again, well you get the point- Every time I watch the videos I find some minor detail that helps my technique.

3. Probably the most important is technique is the key. There are videos on pressure, speed, product amount etc.. WATCH them all, again and again etc.... and you will start to see the results you want.

I know you are in Canada but Adam's has vendors who service your area, I don't know who they are but I am sure someone can tell you.

It has taken me over a year to actually learn the proper speed, product amount, and pressure and I am finally getting the results I want. If you get a chance to go to a clinic by all means go, well worth the trip, you will learn alot, especially when you see a 11 yr old buffing on a new Camaro correctly and correct the paint.

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... 3. Probably the most important is technique is the key. There are videos on pressure, speed, product amount etc.. WATCH them all, again and again etc.... and you will start to see the results you want.

I know you are in Canada but Adam's has vendors who service your area, I don't know who they are but I am sure someone can tell you.
Very solid advice John and let me help you out here. The Canadian dealers are listed here.

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It has taken me over a year to actually learn the proper speed, product amount, and pressure and I am finally getting the results I want. If you get a chance to go to a clinic by all means go, well worth the trip, you will learn alot, especially when you see a 11 yr old buffing on a new Camaro correctly and correct the paint.

Hope this helps.
And the thing is, you actually practiced. Some guys are picking up the machine once, maybe twice a month. You are not going to get good at fixing paint unless you actually fix some paint. You don't just halfway fix your paint and let it slide, you learn to make it perfect if possible. If I can fix a spot on a car at a detailing clinic while people watch, then anyone should be able to fix their paint working in the quiet confines of their own garage.

The key is everything that John mentioned.
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Oh Trust me I am still Learning each and every time I pick the buffers up, but at least now I can tell when things start to go wrong way before they get to the bad stage and I can quickly correct what I am doing wrong.

I guess it is always a learning process, at least for me it is. I just knew when I saw that 11 yr old fix that paint on that Camaro that I could do it, took my time and did it.

My Old Man use to tell me " A good Carpenter never blames his tools" LOL
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