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Old 05-16-2011, 12:35 PM   #1
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NOS or Zex?

I got a guy tellin me he can hook me up with a NOS kit for my v6 at $300 + install.

Phastek has the Zex kit for about $550.

Which is the one I should go with? I am tryin to figure why the Zex kit is more expensive than NOS at almost a $200 difference and wondering if the NOS kit is built just for the Camaro as well or is it something that is ported over from another car and will require customization to install in a Camaro.
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do you have a parts list for both? does that NOS kit come with a throttle position sensor? is that how you want to run your kit, or do you want to run with a push button?
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:48 PM   #3
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do you have a parts list for both? does that NOS kit come with a throttle position sensor? is that how you want to run your kit, or do you want to run with a push button?
I much rather have the TPS than push button.
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We recomend Zex, they make a better kit and have a nice bottle preasure saftey feature.
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I much rather have the TPS than push button.
well, nitrous management unit alone for the zex kit is $250. Not sure if NOS has that or not.
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Old 05-16-2011, 05:31 PM   #6
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well, nitrous management unit alone for the zex kit is $250. Not sure if NOS has that or not.
Is that the part they use rather than a fuel solenoid and a nitrous solenoid? If it is, Zex is the only one I know using that setup and I'm not sure it's a positive in my view. I know why they did it, I'd just rather have individual solenoids.
Oh, and I've got the NX kit. I'm pretty sure the NOS kit is everything other than the TPS, and don't let them tell you they can install a TPS on the accelerator pedal. It's a safety feature that keeps the kit from being activated until wide open throttle. You don't want to skimp on it. You can ask him how much extra for the TPS. They aren't that expensive.
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I believe the nitrous management system is the TPS for zex.
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Pretty sure their tps is around $100, NX also. They can be had for less(around $70).
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do you have a parts list for both? does that NOS kit come with a throttle position sensor? is that how you want to run your kit, or do you want to run with a push button?
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well, nitrous management unit alone for the zex kit is $250. Not sure if NOS has that or not.
Checked last night, and the stuff you described is what's missing from the NOS kit.

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no problem! good luck!
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So when I looked it up, their TPS, fuel solenoid and nitrous solenoid is contained in a single box? Clean, but it means if one part doesn't work of the three the whole box has to be replaced/removed.
Before you install or have whoever install it make sure you realize there is a Schraeder valve at the back of the engine rather than cutting any of your stock fuel lines. It would make for a cleaner removal of the kit if needed/wanted in the future.
Good luck with the kit.
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So when I looked it up, their TPS, fuel solenoid and nitrous solenoid is contained in a single box? Clean, but it means if one part doesn't work of the three the whole box has to be replaced/removed.
Before you install or have whoever install it make sure you realize there is a Schraeder valve at the back of the engine rather than cutting any of your stock fuel lines. It would make for a cleaner removal of the kit if needed/wanted in the future.
Good luck with the kit.
You mean the jets, when talking about the solenoids, right? If so, then no, the jets are separate. They are placed just outside the intake elbow, about 2" away from the throttle body.
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You can see the purple piece in front of the engine cover, that holds the jets.

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No, the nozzle holds the jets. The nitrous management unit contains a solenoid or pair of solenoids contained along with the tps unit. My NX kit has each piece seperate. The solenoid opens when you want it to allow fuel or nitrous to flow through the jets/nozzle. The Zex kit does look clean. I don't care for the way they're cutting a fuel line. I also wonder if the TPS or solenoid portion should happen to have issues if the management unit is rebuildable(I've always had separate solenoids).
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I would hope that if the management system went bad, zex would replace it for free. Because I believe mine could be defective.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:50 PM   #16
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ZEX uses a funky electronic nitrous box that has both solenoids, a WOT(tps) switch, and a relay all built-in. It makes for simpler plumbing/wiring, but is in general a pain in the ass because if you have any issues, it's harder to diagnose/disassemble individual components. Great beginner system, but not for anyone who ever plans to add to their system.

I'm fairly certain NOS doesn't make a complete wet kit for $300, so that's kind of a moot discussion.


I like/use/prefer/recommend Nitrous Outlet products myself.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:00 PM   #17
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you want a window switch as well. the zex one can be set up to start spraying in second or third gear. nos in first is sure to bounce off the limiter without some serious traction. you also want the nos to stop spraying just before the gear change.
hence, limiting activation to say eg. 3200-5800 rpm, but the zex MNU needs to see a WOT condition.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:54 PM   #18
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OK quick video of my set up sorry it was dark and windy and don't flame me for calling the rocker panel the rocker arm.



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Old 05-17-2011, 09:24 PM   #19
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I would hope that if the management system went bad, zex would replace it for free. Because I believe mine could be defective.
I was a little curious about yours with the problems it has because others have been able to run the Zex with good/great success. If you remember though, MaxKamai(?) had the first v6 on here with the nitrous kit. It was a Zex. His first box had to be replaced as he took it to the track and the first run on the juice he ran slower than without. The fuel was opening up, the nitrous wasn't, so when it was supposed to be running on the juice it was just dumping lots of extra fuel.
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I love my Zex system... I have no issues with it. The nitrous managment system works perfectly, and you can set the window switch to skip any gear you want, if it is armed from a dead stop. If you select it to skip first gear, and for some reason wanted to arm it from a rolling start, it doesnt distinguish first gear from third, fourth, or any gear. It just skips from the first gear it sees from time of arming. So good if your at the drags, but would set it to spray all gears if you were .... not ... dragging... or , whatever. If you were wanting bigger than say, a 125hp shot, I would probably beef up more than just the system. like , the whole bottom end.
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I was a little curious about yours with the problems it has because others have been able to run the Zex with good/great success. If you remember though, MaxKamai(?) had the first v6 on here with the nitrous kit. It was a Zex. His first box had to be replaced as he took it to the track and the first run on the juice he ran slower than without. The fuel was opening up, the nitrous wasn't, so when it was supposed to be running on the juice it was just dumping lots of extra fuel.
Yeah, I'm going to call the shop up and see if we can do some troubleshooting on Friday.
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OK quick video of my set up sorry it was dark and windy and don't flame me for calling the rocker panel the rocker arm.



Thanks for the video. I was actually thinking the other day if I could mount the spray nozzle under the intake to make it more "stealth". I'm already putting the bottle next to the battery with custom brackets. Would need to seal the already existing hole where the nozzle is now, though. Lol
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What are the issues your having?
Same as before. Seems like when I open the bottle, turn on the nitrous management system, she will run good at first, but then she will slow down and be almost in a safe mode. Hard to explain. I found out that I'm theowing codes for cylinder 3 and 5 misfire. Thinking the management system is faulty, or it's just knocking real hard. I'll get colder plugs on Friday, if the shop has time for me. Although it seems odd that other people are having no issues at 55shot...
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Same as before. Seems like when I open the bottle, turn on the nitrous management system, she will run good at first, but then she will slow down and be almost in a safe mode. Hard to explain. I found out that I'm theowing codes for cylinder 3 and 5 misfire. Thinking the management system is faulty, or it's just knocking real hard. I'll get colder plugs on Friday, if the shop has time for me. Although it seems odd that other people are having no issues at 55shot...
Yes, only time I threw any codes is when I tried those zex plugs.. dont waste the money on those... I dont know of anything in the wiring that would even tie into that. Im wondering if its a problem with something else, and just masked by the system.
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What jets are you running?
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