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Old 05-16-2011, 03:19 PM   #1
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Black Car Swirl question

My black car is only 4 weeks old. I have only washed it 3 times. I already have minor swirls in the hood.
I read everything here, I watched all the videos here and some on youtube. I even purchased a detailing book..along with 2 bukets 2 grit guards etc.
I have been very carful and very particular when washing it.
I pat it dry with an absorber.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong..it is heartbreaking to have these swirls so soon and only after 3 washings..especially after being so careful.

Any ideas on what I could be doing wrong?

Would waxing it help?

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Old 05-16-2011, 03:31 PM   #2
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What kind of wash mitt are you using? Are you washing from top to bottom? Do you use 2 different wash mitt's: one for the top half of the car, another for the bottom half? Do you use a foam gun?

I use Adam's Professional Car Wash Pad and it's very gentle on the paint while still getting all the dirt off. Before "wiping" it with the wash pad, I use my foam gun to put down a layer of foam so that the heavy dirt get's loosened first.
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Would waxing it help?
By this question I'm assuming you have NOTHING on the paint right now??

Thats a big part of your problem, no protection what so ever combined with the fact black paint will develop swirls if you even think about touching it.
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Old 05-16-2011, 03:39 PM   #4
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No, I don't have a foam gun but I will get one.
I used a microfiber mit. I have a vert but I am do wash hood first then top half and bottem half last.
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Old 05-16-2011, 03:40 PM   #5
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That is correct. I was told I shouldn't have to wax it for 6 months.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:00 PM   #6
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That is correct. I was told I shouldn't have to wax it for 6 months.
Wrong. You have to clay and wax it right away.

Swirls and marring are usually due to poor wash technique. You need to correct the paint and then seal it.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:06 PM   #7
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That is correct. I was told I shouldn't have to wax it for 6 months.
The swirl marks are likely from the initial cleaning that happened at the dealership. Like stated above, wash it down again, clay it, and seal it!
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:06 PM   #8
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That is correct. I was told I shouldn't have to wax it for 6 months.
Why? Did they put some protection on it at the dealership? If so, you had better treat your paint right away.

You list all of the things that you do that you feel is correct. However, you state that you use an absorber to dry with. That tells me that you also use those cheap, made in China microfiber towels. Also, the fact that you don't use a foam gun is dooming your wash process from the start. I don't know who's 2-bucket wash you are doing but you're doing it wrong and your paint is trying to tell you that. Your leaning process starts here.

Another thing that you need to stop doing is wiping dirt off your car with those cheap towels. That is also contributing to your paint's demise. If you want to know how to care for your paint, join us over at Adam's Forums. We will get you straightened out real quick.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:24 PM   #9
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thank you so very much
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Old 12-31-2011, 09:19 AM   #10
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Sunday--- Did that work? Did you get rid of the swirls?
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:55 AM   #11
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my wife's family has been in the auto body business for 2 generations. i have worked in body shops as a second job for 45 years. my wife also drives a black trailblazer ss, a lot of sheet metal. i have tried every specialty car wash known to me. most leave residue that when drying, even with micro fiber towels will cause swirl marks and other fine scratches and damage. i use dawn dishwashing liquid diluted in a 5 gallon pail of water to wash. it removes a little bit of wax each wash so once a year i complete compound with the finest grade 3m liquid compound and a d/a buffer. i then hand polish with any good commercial grade polish, finish with 3m synthetic liquid wax, again, by hand. her car was bought new in 07. i performed this immediately and do it every year, in fact will be doing it next week when my houseguests leave. her car looks brand new. no swirl marks at all and by using light grade compound you are mostly removing wax, barely cutting into paint/clear coat which there are many layers on any new car. most swirl marks are actually in the wax. only on real old cars have owners rubbed deeply enough to get to the clear, but even then i have used this method to restore paint that people gave up on. disclaimer, just my personal experiences not to be taken as the correct method. i think if you try it and then maintain your paint accordingly, you will be pleased.
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:06 AM   #13
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I used a microfiber mit.
This is a big part of your problem. I tried one of these first on my black camaro and sure enough, scratches.

I know its kind of expensive, but the Merino wool mitt from Adams is the way to go. Throw that microfiber mitt away (or save it for other stuff).
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:34 AM   #14
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so much misinformation...

you don't have to wax it right away, but no harm in waxing right away either. waxing may prevent minor marring, but a layer of wax isn't that protective to poor washing technique...

100% microfiber washing mitts are fine. i also really like the grout sponge from lowes. it's in their tile section. it is actually my favorite mitt i have ever used, and it cost me only 99c. i have several of them.

i think i waited 2 weeks before waxing my car and washed it 2-3 times during those 2 weeks. my car is now 3 months old and there are no swirls in it. it is carbon flash metallic, but that is about as close to black as you can get. i have a pretty simple wash technique but no one generally cares about personalized washing routines...

if i had to give you one bit of advice i'd say you're not using great drying media. absorbers would not be my first choice (though honestly i haven't used them much). i would recommend good quality microfiber towels. pakshak.com is where i got mine and they haven't let me down yet. you'll spend a pretty penny, but they last a long time if you take care of them.

water is a lubricant. 2 buckets/grit guard and junk is fine and dandy, but when you wipe that water off your car is when the most friction on your paint occurs and potential marring. that's the 1 step i would make sure i had right above all. you can also take a blank cd and pretend to "dry" it (don't get it wet first) and see if it scratches. if it does, your drying media sucks.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:39 PM   #15
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Don't worry about drying media, just use a leaf blower!
Also if your car is not 100% clean after a wash your downstream steps (polish, wax, detail spray etc) will swirl the paint. Be absolutely thorough in your wash. If your drying media (I like that term!) comes back dirty after drying, your not washing right. I think this is where the majority of people's swirlies come from.
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... If your drying media (I like that term!) comes back dirty after drying, you're not washing right.
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Just to be clear, what kind of swirl are you seeing? a miniscule scratch in the paint, or a 'sliver/grey' swirl when looking in direct sunlight?
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Just to be clear, what kind of swirl are you seeing? a miniscule scratch in the paint, or a 'sliver/grey' swirl when looking in direct sunlight?
He is most likely seeing these, just hopefully not as pronounced.

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100% microfiber washing mitts are fine. i also really like the grout sponge from lowes. it's in their tile section. it is actually my favorite mitt i have ever used, and it cost me only 99c. i have several of them.

of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I can say for sure that i bought a cheap microfiber wash mitt and am 100% sure it was the cause of scratches during washing using the 2 bucket system.
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of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I can say for sure that i bought a cheap microfiber wash mitt and am 100% sure it was the cause of scratches during washing using the 2 bucket system.


Here's the thing. One man's beauty queen is another man's 2-bagger. Unless you can inspect a man's paint with the flash test, there's no telling what he may be calling flawless paint. That's one thing that I have found out over the years. This guy swore up and down that his paint was flawless:



I could see the damage just looking at it. But then I showed him the light test. Wait for it... wait for it... wait for it.... BAM!




Then I fixed it!




Now it's flawless.
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Here's the thing. One man's beauty queen is another man's 2-bagger. Unless you can inspect a man's paint with the flash test, there's no telling what he may be calling flawless paint. That's one thing that I have found out over the years. This guy swore up and down that his paint was flawless:



I could see the damage just looking at it. But then I showed him the light test. Wait for it... wait for it... wait for it.... BAM!




Then I fixed it!




Now it's flawless.
Junkman come correct my paint so I can have hot women appear under the clear coat like this!!!
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Junkman come correct my paint so I can have hot women appear under the clear coat like this!!!
Dude, she was hot too! She was going to inherit the car so she made her father buy everything she would need to fix the paint. I wanted to flirt with her but her father had me under radar!
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Here's the thing. One man's beauty queen is another man's 2-bagger. Unless you can inspect a man's paint with the flash test, there's no telling what he may be calling flawless paint. That's one thing that I have found out over the years. This guy swore up and down that his paint was flawless:



I could see the damage just looking at it. But then I showed him the light test. Wait for it... wait for it... wait for it.... BAM!




Then I fixed it!




Now it's flawless.
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Junkman come correct my paint so I can have hot women appear under the clear coat like this!!!
Man, I must be getting old, because I saw the picture and thought, "man I sure wish I had an adams detail spray bottle that big".....
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Here's the thing. One man's beauty queen is another man's 2-bagger. Unless you can inspect a man's paint with the flash test, there's no telling what he may be calling flawless paint. That's one thing that I have found out over the years. This guy swore up and down that his paint was flawless:



I could see the damage just looking at it. But then I showed him the light test. Wait for it... wait for it... wait for it.... BAM!




Then I fixed it!




Now it's flawless.
Wow!
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Mine came with minor swirlies from the dealer, and didn't really notice them until quite some time later. I didn't bring it to their attention because I know what they would say, one of two things:
1. We didn't do that or,
2. You didn't buy our $600 protection package, so we're not gonna deal with it anyway.

That said, I am a novice when it comes to this, so any advice on exactly how to make my paint "flawless" as shown above would be very welcome!
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