LG G6X3 cam vs Texas Speed 231/236 cam - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Sam88gta1 · 05-18-2011, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon@Texas-Speed

We have sold over 25,000 springs so far this year and I could probably count the number of springs that have had a problem on one hand. Of those, you couldn't tell if it was an issue due to either RPM or lift. For that matter, the owners couldn't tell us what the install height was or how much preload was on them. I would say for the amount of springs out here on customer's cars as well as all the shops we sell to that haven't had a single issue, the PRC springs work great! We have tested them on the dyno on a .708" lift cam turning it 7500 RPM and they had no problem!

Jon

I wouldnt admit a problem if I were TSP either.
The only spring failure I witnessed myself was on TSP Jasons' personal black 2010 Camaro that you guys did the install on. The #4 intake valve spring broke causing the intake valve to break off into the engine. This happened 1800 miles after the new owner purchased the car from Jason.

So your PRC springs are good for .708 lift and 7500 rpm?

Ovenmitt · 05-18-2011, 10:35 PM

I'm not comfortable with their .650 springs on the LS3, I don't feel they can control the intake valve very well with the low pressure. Friend ran into issues with his setup, and after measuring some fairly fresh springs, I can see why. I do, however, like their EHT .675 springs, which have significantly more pressure, and have no issues turning 7k in my personal car with them with the TSP cam.

A lot of folks dont realize that valve springs are a wear item. 12000 miles/1 year and they're pretty much toast with a large/aggressive cam. Had another friend I know pick up 30whp with fresh springs at my suggestion after 20,000 miles on his and low dyno numbers/early tq and hp peak. Go figure

Infern0 · 05-19-2011, 07:28 AM

blk5genss · 05-19-2011, 07:39 AM

I just had mine installed, but I did get the .675 springs so in 12K miles I let you know, I usually do that in 8 months!!

Jason 98 TA · 05-19-2011, 07:47 AM

That is true my car did have a failure from a old version on the 675. The previous run of 675 springs were the ones that occasionally failed. Relative to the number of spring kit sold it was a very small number.

The newest 675 spring has only had 1 failure in my last run of 20,000 springs.

Do the failure percentages on that!

Sorry Sam.. After years and years of you always talking crap on tsp isn't it time for you to move on?

People on this site are very smart, we all understand that over a run of springs this large if tons of them were failing it'd be all over the forums.

kook · 05-19-2011, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

That is true my car did have a failure from a old version on the 675. The previous run of 675 springs were the ones that occasionally failed. Relative to the number of spring kit sold it was a very small number.

The newest 675 spring has only had 1 failure in my last run of 20,000 springs.

Do the failure percentages on that!

Sorry Sam.. After years and years of you always talking crap on tsp isn't it time for you to move on?

People on this site are very smart, we all understand that over a run of springs this large if tons of them were failing it'd be all over the forums.

Jason 98 TA · 05-19-2011, 08:04 AM

Here's a perfect example for you Sam.

Somebody has another spring failure from a different company and rather than add any help to the thread you just try to stir the pot and ask if it's a prc spring

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132873

The guy obviously said who's spring and that it was a single beehive.

Sadly you couldn't even notice that because you can't see through your hatred for tsp. It's sad really..

Jason 98 TA · 05-19-2011, 08:34 AM

Sorry ovenmitt I misses your post. I have good news for you on the .650". We made a update to the 650 lift spring to the next run that will give us a small bump in pressures and give you a liitle more lift capability. I'll get ya some more data when I get back to town!

Jason@RPM-Motorsports · 05-19-2011, 08:53 AM

We have installed 1000's of PRC .650 lift Springs with ZERO failures.

Ovenmitt · 05-19-2011, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

Sorry ovenmitt I misses your post. I have good news for you on the .650". We made a update to the 650 lift spring to the next run that will give us a small bump in pressures and give you a liitle more lift capability. I'll get ya some more data when I get back to town!

No need, I still would use your eht .675 spring (shimmed .015) as I doubt the smaller spring could control the valve@ 7200. I love my tsp products

Garceeya · 05-19-2011, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

Here's a perfect example for you Sam.

Somebody has another spring failure from a different company and rather than add any help to the thread you just try to stir the pot and ask if it's a prc spring

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132873

The guy obviously said who's spring and that it was a single beehive.

Sadly you couldn't even notice that because you can't see through your hatred for tsp. It's sad really..

I am not a hater of anyone really but maybe I take it a little personal whenever someone mentions something about the LG cam and you always chime in PTV issues. That to me gets a little old. Maybe you should move on and then others might do the same. Just an observation from someone who reads a bunch.

boat rx · 05-19-2011, 01:50 PM

I read alot too and yourself and Sam always bash this guy.you guys have provided myself and many other members some really good info.I understand that ptv on LG cam is way tighter than the norm and maybe Jason is just trying to keep somebody from making a mistake with his or hers setup.You guys know what it takes to keep that cam from having issues with clearence but Jason deals with alot of people who are not possibly as mechanically inclined and could easily install low quality springs ,wrong gasket or whatever.Then they have a new car with junk for a motor.Cut the guy a break,lifes too short!!!

blk5genss · 05-19-2011, 04:08 PM

Wow this has gone too far! If there is a PTV clearance issue then people should be warned, if they still want the cam they are gonna get it! At least know about the issue helps them ask to get it fixed during the installation! Really though I love the TSP Products and their prices, my neighbor loves the LG cam, but if his car makes less power than mine he will never hear the end of it from another neighbor of ours! TSP keep doing what you're doing and customers like myself will keep coming back! If someone is hating on you then you have to be doing something right! Not saying that LG isn't but I would much rather have your stuff! So keep working on those heads so Lethal can make my car faster when I get home from Iraq!! Thanks Jason!!

Ttbestas · 05-20-2011, 04:35 AM

What springs TSP recommends for 231/236 cam?

Jason7 · 05-20-2011, 05:36 AM

I've done countless hours of cam research and reading. What I have come up with is if I wasnt to purchase the 231/236 TSP Cam over any other cam on the market I would be an idiot....PERIOD

Jason

Jason7 · 05-20-2011, 05:43 AM

I'm even more curious in this new cam you guys are currently working on which is a tad bit larger? When will we know more?

Jason

Sam88gta1 · 05-22-2011, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

That is true my car did have a failure from a old version on the 675. The previous run of 675 springs were the ones that occasionally failed. Relative to the number of spring kit sold it was a very small number.
The newest 675 spring has only had 1 failure in my last run of 20,000 springs.
Do the failure percentages on that!
Sorry Sam.. After years and years of you always talking crap on tsp isn't it time for you to move on?
People on this site are very smart, we all understand that over a run of springs this large if tons of them were failing it'd be all over the forums.

Years would be an exaggeration. It was 16 months ago when I had my first issue arise with TSP. I had a customer buy a replacement set of your PRC springs and you guys (Matt) sent out a used set of springs that were picked up off the shop floor (cover in metal shavings and at the installed height the spring pressure ranged from 92-131 which was "acceptable" according to Matt). Matt called me a liar over the phone which turned me away from Texas Speed from then on. I would leave you alone if you could manage to stop bashing the LG G6X3 cam. You cant seem to keep your mouth shut about it. It has "p to v issues" yet you are producing a larger cam to compete with it? Smart move.

Sam88gta1 · 05-22-2011, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

Here's a perfect example for you Sam.

Somebody has another spring failure from a different company and rather than add any help to the thread you just try to stir the pot and ask if it's a prc spring
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132873
The guy obviously said who's spring and that it was a single beehive.

Sadly you couldn't even notice that because you can't see through your hatred for tsp. It's sad really..

I was trying to bait you into a discussion about the false belief that your dual spring would keep the valve from contaction the piston if the spring fails. You knew where I was going with it and that kept you from replying to me.
Did your PRC 675 spring keep the intake valve from breaking off the stem and destroying the motor in Gregs car?
Ill answer for you.

No it did not.

CamaroCowboy · 05-22-2011, 11:07 AM

I have a custom grind that is very close to the 231/236 and I have to tell you I love it.

briancb1 · 05-22-2011, 08:49 PM

You guys should fist fight and just end the forum banter.

Tampa Tuning · 05-22-2011, 09:20 PM

cage match in a pool of baby oil lol
Both are great selections. Big cams are going to loss some bottom end. Get a tighter LSA, that helps, or just get gears.
You want a race car, just spend the money. Get dual springs

My current cam which has been in the car for about 4 years is the TSP 228R, but I almost went with an LGx3.

best advice you are going to hear is right here......................... select what cam you want and is perfect for you, then buy the next size larger so you wont have to change it out twice.

sspaul · 05-22-2011, 09:30 PM

either way you go will be a good cam, both cams are excellent from what i have seen on this board. as far a ptv clearance both are large cams with a high lift so ptv will be close on either cam. as tampa tuning said find the right one for you.

Padre · 05-22-2011, 09:31 PM

I take it PTV is not a problem on L99's with their valve-reliefs?

Padre

mike25 · 05-23-2011, 07:57 AM

Can I ask what ptv is?

Smoky10 · 05-23-2011, 08:34 AM

Piston to valve clearance

05-19-2011, 07:28 AM	#28
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05-19-2011, 07:39 AM	#29
blk5genss Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Anonio, Texas Posts: 575	I just had mine installed, but I did get the .675 springs so in 12K miles I let you know, I usually do that in 8 months!! __________________ TSP Cam 231/236 112 LSA,TSP UD,Fast 102 w/Ported TB,AirAid CAI,1 7/8 catted Stainless Power LT,3 IN MBRP 3 in Exhaust/180*,Spohn LTA's,Toe Links, Drag Bar,Diff bushings,Hurst shifter,Hendrix/DSS 1400HP Axles,Nitto NT555R's,Lethal Performance Custon Tune 480 RWHP 454 RWTQ!! Best run so far is 11.94@121 LPE 3.91's Coming soon NW 102, and DSS DS, then car should be complete!!!

05-19-2011, 07:47 AM	#30
Jason 98 TA Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,198	That is true my car did have a failure from a old version on the 675. The previous run of 675 springs were the ones that occasionally failed. Relative to the number of spring kit sold it was a very small number. The newest 675 spring has only had 1 failure in my last run of 20,000 springs. Do the failure percentages on that! Sorry Sam.. After years and years of you always talking crap on tsp isn't it time for you to move on? People on this site are very smart, we all understand that over a run of springs this large if tons of them were failing it'd be all over the forums. Last edited by Jason 98 TA; 05-19-2011 at 07:58 AM.

05-19-2011, 04:08 PM	#38
blk5genss Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Anonio, Texas Posts: 575	Wow this has gone too far! If there is a PTV clearance issue then people should be warned, if they still want the cam they are gonna get it! At least know about the issue helps them ask to get it fixed during the installation! Really though I love the TSP Products and their prices, my neighbor loves the LG cam, but if his car makes less power than mine he will never hear the end of it from another neighbor of ours! TSP keep doing what you're doing and customers like myself will keep coming back! If someone is hating on you then you have to be doing something right! Not saying that LG isn't but I would much rather have your stuff! So keep working on those heads so Lethal can make my car faster when I get home from Iraq!! Thanks Jason!! __________________ TSP Cam 231/236 112 LSA,TSP UD,Fast 102 w/Ported TB,AirAid CAI,1 7/8 catted Stainless Power LT,3 IN MBRP 3 in Exhaust/180*,Spohn LTA's,Toe Links, Drag Bar,Diff bushings,Hurst shifter,Hendrix/DSS 1400HP Axles,Nitto NT555R's,Lethal Performance Custon Tune 480 RWHP 454 RWTQ!! Best run so far is 11.94@121 LPE 3.91's Coming soon NW 102, and DSS DS, then car should be complete!!!

05-22-2011, 09:20 PM	#46
Tampa Tuning Like us on Facebook! Drives: C5 corvette/ 2012Dodge hemi Charger Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 1,639	cage match in a pool of baby oil lol Both are great selections. Big cams are going to loss some bottom end. Get a tighter LSA, that helps, or just get gears. You want a race car, just spend the money. Get dual springs My current cam which has been in the car for about 4 years is the TSP 228R, but I almost went with an LGx3. best advice you are going to hear is right here......................... select what cam you want and is perfect for you, then buy the next size larger so you wont have to change it out twice. __________________ Read these: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197715 http://ls1tech.com/forums/florida-members/1575151-tampa-tuning-dyno-tuning-street-tuning.html

05-18-2011, 10:35 PM	#27
Ovenmitt Account Suspended Drives: 2011 RJT 1SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fort Lewis, Washington Posts: 734	I'm not comfortable with their .650 springs on the LS3, I don't feel they can control the intake valve very well with the low pressure. Friend ran into issues with his setup, and after measuring some fairly fresh springs, I can see why. I do, however, like their EHT .675 springs, which have significantly more pressure, and have no issues turning 7k in my personal car with them with the TSP cam. A lot of folks dont realize that valve springs are a wear item. 12000 miles/1 year and they're pretty much toast with a large/aggressive cam. Had another friend I know pick up 30whp with fresh springs at my suggestion after 20,000 miles on his and low dyno numbers/early tq and hp peak. Go figure

05-19-2011, 08:04 AM	#32
Jason 98 TA Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,198	Here's a perfect example for you Sam. Somebody has another spring failure from a different company and rather than add any help to the thread you just try to stir the pot and ask if it's a prc spring http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132873 The guy obviously said who's spring and that it was a single beehive. Sadly you couldn't even notice that because you can't see through your hatred for tsp. It's sad really..

05-19-2011, 08:34 AM	#33
Jason 98 TA Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,198	Sorry ovenmitt I misses your post. I have good news for you on the .650". We made a update to the 650 lift spring to the next run that will give us a small bump in pressures and give you a liitle more lift capability. I'll get ya some more data when I get back to town!

05-19-2011, 08:53 AM	#34
Jason@RPM-Motorsports Drives: 98 WS6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NC Posts: 236	We have installed 1000's of PRC .650 lift Springs with ZERO failures.

05-19-2011, 01:50 PM	#37
boat rx Drives: 2010 2ssrs Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Miami Posts: 205	I read alot too and yourself and Sam always bash this guy.you guys have provided myself and many other members some really good info.I understand that ptv on LG cam is way tighter than the norm and maybe Jason is just trying to keep somebody from making a mistake with his or hers setup.You guys know what it takes to keep that cam from having issues with clearence but Jason deals with alot of people who are not possibly as mechanically inclined and could easily install low quality springs ,wrong gasket or whatever.Then they have a new car with junk for a motor.Cut the guy a break,lifes too short!!!

05-20-2011, 04:35 AM	#39
Ttbestas Drives: Ls3 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 15	What springs TSP recommends for 231/236 cam?

05-20-2011, 05:36 AM	#40
Jason7 NorCalCamaros.com Drives: 2010 2SS White Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: California Delta Posts: 1,163 View My Garage	I've done countless hours of cam research and reading. What I have come up with is if I wasnt to purchase the 231/236 TSP Cam over any other cam on the market I would be an idiot....PERIOD Jason

05-20-2011, 05:43 AM	#41
Jason7 NorCalCamaros.com Drives: 2010 2SS White Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: California Delta Posts: 1,163 View My Garage	I'm even more curious in this new cam you guys are currently working on which is a tad bit larger? When will we know more? Jason

05-22-2011, 08:49 PM	#45
briancb1 Drives: C6 Z06 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Houston TX Posts: 89	You guys should fist fight and just end the forum banter.

05-22-2011, 09:30 PM	#47
sspaul Drives: 2010 ss camaro, imperial blue Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: new orleans Posts: 944	either way you go will be a good cam, both cams are excellent from what i have seen on this board. as far a ptv clearance both are large cams with a high lift so ptv will be close on either cam. as tampa tuning said find the right one for you. __________________ my youtube my facebook www.myspace.com/1djchampagne www.twitter.com/1djchampagne mods: borla long tube headers, borla atak catback, lingenfelter gt-9 cam, ported heads, ecs base kit running 11 psi on top end, 1" bmr drop spring, aam 3.70 gears, ported throttle body, 160* thermorstat, lethal racing tune 750/641 rwhp/rwtq

05-22-2011, 09:31 PM	#48
Padre Only drives on Sundays Drives: 11 2SS/RS, Black/Inferno, L99 A6 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 2,082 View My Garage	I take it PTV is not a problem on L99's with their valve-reliefs? Padre __________________ The "Heretic": '11 2SS/RS L99 A6 Black/Inferno. Build Journal, Videos, Blog D1SC GT9 JBA-LT = 720/680 \| 10.330 @ 133.61, 1.546 sixty... Camaro King at ECS V, Darlington.

05-23-2011, 07:57 AM	#49
mike25 Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dubba V Posts: 2,877	Can I ask what ptv is? __________________ 2LT/RS M6 CGM VIN#53104 SOLD 2012 Black 2SS/RS w/ Hurst- Mods: Corsa catback, SSE, Vararam

05-23-2011, 08:34 AM	#50
Smoky10 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Navarre, FL Posts: 531	Piston to valve clearance

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