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Old 03-04-2009, 04:08 PM   #1
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for real racers-road racers

Just a little rib poken at the drag racers. Been there done that (1320) many of times. Just not enough excitement for me.

So on to the real topic of this thread.

Who's going to do HPDE's with their car?

Better yet, who's going to run in nasa american iron series?
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I would love to auto-x the camaro, but I think the car will get boned in it's class due to it's engine, and the fact its a coupe. Will probably compete with cars half it's weight.

I've never road raced, though I wanted to many time in the Supra. I have much repect for it, it is just not as readily available as the 1320 is for most people.
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Just a little rib poken at the drag racers. Been there done that (1320) many of times. Just not enough excitement for me.

So on to the real topic of this thread.

Who's going to do HPDE's with their car?

Better yet, who's going to run in nasa american iron series?

do tell more ...
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Just a little rib poken at the drag racers. Been there done that (1320) many of times. Just not enough excitement for me.

So on to the real topic of this thread.

Who's going to do HPDE's with their car?

Better yet, who's going to run in nasa american iron series?
Running in a straight line is for wusses... hanging the tail out in the corners takes a real driver with a real car!
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There's a nice road course just west of Tulsa that I expect to be going to every so often. Drag racing just isn't my thing either.



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if you all get a chance look up carolina motorsports park. that track looks real nice. just 5500 a year for a gold membership. lol. but they have hpde and drivers ed classes there along with nasa american iron series.
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if you all get a chance look up carolina motorsports park. that track looks real nice. just 5500 a year for a gold membership. lol. but they have hpde and drivers ed classes there along with nasa american iron series.



and just one comment about "real" racers. its not the easiest thing to keep a 3000lb hunk of steel going in a straight line at 150+mph....
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and just one comment about "real" racers. its not the easiest thing to keep a 3000lb hunk of steel going in a straight line at 150+mph....
And even harder to make that 90 degree turn at the end of the straightaway....
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Drag racer.
From a dead stop when he gets a green light he accellerates as fast as he can for 1/4 mile then either jams on the brakes or pulls a parashoot to slow down along with his brakes.. while 1 other car in another lane does the same thing to see who gets to the end first..

Road racer.
Starts out with a bunch of other cars, and gets the green flag, he drives as fast as he can down to the first turn and jams on his brakes, not too much and not too little but just enought to make the corner, while trying to avoid all the other cars around him and passing as many as he can. then he accellerates again to the next corner. sometimes reaching speeds of over 150MPH.. and he does that for many laps around a circuit making right and left handed turns until 1 out of many finally wins the race...

it takes talent for both but I think it takes much more talent and skill to be a road racer.
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I use the Z06 for HPDE's and I race a Yamaha R1 in WERA. But mmm can't keep me nor the coming camaro off of the 1320
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it takes talent for both but I think it takes much more talent and skill to be a road racer.
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I'd like to try a bit of everything in the Camaro. Sadly, all these facilities are becoming rarer and rarer in California. I'd like to go to some high performance driving schools. I'll probably mostly enjoy my Camaro on spirited canyon road runs.
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I would not road race my Camaro SS. I would love to run it around a track for fun (not racing other cars). But I wouldn't want to risk a real road race around a track.

Drag racing at the track is very safe and the chance of damage to yourself or your car is very low (at stock or near stock HP levels). Road racing around a track (very fun and takes a lot of skill) is definately a high risk sport. The chance of doing some sort of damage (big or small) to yourself or your car is very high.

I wouldn't want to take that chance with my daily driven Camaro SS.
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I would not road race my Camaro SS. I would love to run it around a track for fun (not racing other cars). But I wouldn't want to risk a real road race around a track.
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This is a good post - I feel the same way, and had not intended to compete in any real races. Just saying that I will be taking my car to a road race track when I feel like letting loose, not a drag strip.
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I'll do HPDE's and autocross if I get one, but I've got a c4 racing vette project that will get sidelined if I start spending big money on the Camaro. BTW, sat in the Camaro at the Cleveland autoshow a couple weeks ago. HPDE will probably work out ok, but hitting the apex cone at autocross isn't something that's going to happen without a lot of practice and seat time. I can't see the front fenders and the beltline is super high....and I'm 6' 3"! I made the mistake of stepping into a z06 right after getting out of the Camaro. I may have confirmed to myself I'm a Vette guy, but I'll testdrive before I solidify my decision. oh well, good for GM either way.
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I feel the same way. The risk of someone else's lack of experience doesn't make me feel comfortable. Have you run your GTO at any road courses?
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I've autocrossed F Bodies for the past 30 years and currently run an 02 Z28. I have my doubts about the 5th Gen being competitive in the stock class or street prepared category for that matter. I think the big killer could be weight. Plus it will be some time before R compounds will be available in appropriate sizes. I hate to say it but the Mustang is probably the still the car to have, at least for stock class autocross. Then again hopefully I'm wrong.
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In the 10+ years I've owned my 98 SS, I've done drag racing, autoX and road racing. I've stopped drag racing completely and haven't autoX'ed in a good few years since I jyust don't get the same thrill from these as I do road racing the car.
... and that's not a put-down of drag racing or autoX, since having done my share of these events over the years, I can truly appreciate the different skill sets necessary for those activities!
Until you get your car out on a road course, I don't believe you will ever appreciate the capabilities that are built into these cars. I know that my 4th Gen SS raises a lot of eyebrows and surprises a lot of people when I participate in a road course event and I would definitely look forward to experiencing the increased capabilities of the 5th Gen.

For those who might be fearful of taking your car out on a road course and smashing it up, there are definitely ways to do this that are safer than driving on a crowded interstate IMHO...

1)Take a novice track school! These are very controlled and geared towards the beginner who has never done it before. You will no doubt have an instructor riding with you at all times (at least at the beginning of the day!) until youare "signed off" to go solo.

2) After a track school or 2, you may decide to participate in a "lapping day". This is a non-competitive event and you are not gonna be trading paint with anybody! Everyone is out to have a good time while keeping it safe. Some events allow controlled passing, others do not. The idea is to stay within your own comfort level while learning the capabilities and limits of your driving skills and abilities as well as the limits of your car. The great thing about these days is that you never stop learning! There is always someone there who is a better driver than you are. Ask to ride along with that person or have him/her ride shotgun with you and provide some advanced instruction!

3) If you want to compete, you can do that safely as well. These events are called "Solo Sprint" events here in Canada and they work on the basis of the morning usually being reserved for open lapping to become familiar with the track. In the afternoon, the competitive "time trials" take place. You and one other driver are on the course at the same time with one driver having a 30 second head start... and hopefully nobody catches the other driver! It's you and the stop watch! One warm-up lap, then 3 hot laps followed by 1 cool-down lap. Your best lap time of the 3 hot laps counts in the competition. Sure, you don't get the thrill of driving in a pack of cars, but you might not feel comfortable doing that in a competition. Besides, you can experience that on a lapping day.

Here's a taste of a lapping day on Mosport International Raceway's Grand Prix track- I'm driving the silver Camaro right in front of the camera car. It's the most fun you can have with your clothes on!!



... and here's a little autoX action from the old days...



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And that's why my 98 z is being built up.
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Thanks Elie! I hope to get in on some open track days. Sad to hear this won't be any good at autocross. This weight and low visibility thing is really starting to annoy me.
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Thanks Elie! I hope to get in on some open track days. Sad to hear this won't be any good at autocross. This weight and low visibility thing is really starting to annoy me.
So just be a bit picky about which events to participate in! Try staying away from the short, tighter layouts that favor the Miatas, S2000s etc.
We have a local Corvette club in Toronto that has managed to grab a huge suburban commuter parking lot for their events and they lay out some pretty good courses that are geared towards the larger, higher horsepower cars rather than the smaller 4 cyl. import types. Not as many tight turns that are close together and some decent straightaways. I would get into 3rd gear on these layouts! (with 4.10s, mind you)

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Sorry NASCAR fans, but I'm NHRA all the way. I'll take the HP of a nitro car (more HP in one cylinder than in the whole engine of a stock car). Plus, who wouldn't want to go 400 MPH?

My biggest disappointment with the 2SS is that is doesn't come with an auto trani just for that reason. Won't be able to drag with it 'cept with the stick shifters.

Couldn't lower myself (ha ha) to go with the 1SS just for draggn. Pretty bummed I even had to chose.

Typical of my shopping experiences, know exactly what I want but can't get it!
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Sorry NASCAR fans, but I'm NHRA all the way. I'll take the HP of a nitro car (more HP in one cylinder than in the whole engine of a stock car). Plus, who wouldn't want to go 400 MPH?

My biggest disappointment with the 2SS is that is doesn't come with an auto trani just for that reason. Won't be able to drag with it 'cept with the stick shifters.

Couldn't lower myself (ha ha) to go with the 1SS just for draggn. Pretty bummed I even had to chose.

Typical of my shopping experiences, know exactly what I want but can't get it!
LOL Just pretend you are in a old pro-stock car and drag with it anyway..NHRA!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry NASCAR fans, but I'm NHRA all the way. I'll take the HP of a nitro car (more HP in one cylinder than in the whole engine of a stock car). Plus, who wouldn't want to go 400 MPH?

My biggest disappointment with the 2SS is that is doesn't come with an auto trani just for that reason. Won't be able to drag with it 'cept with the stick shifters.

Couldn't lower myself (ha ha) to go with the 1SS just for draggn. Pretty bummed I even had to chose.

Typical of my shopping experiences, know exactly what I want but can't get it!
Hmmm I never said nascar. I was talkin about nasa american iron, 24 hrs at le mans or something along those lines.


What's the good in all that power if you can't turn around? And what even more reasoning everyone of those engines has to be torn down and rebuilt after every pass. Fun to work ratio doesn't add up.
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My biggest disappointment with the 2SS is that is doesn't come with an auto trani just for that reason. Won't be able to drag with it 'cept with the stick shifters.

Couldn't lower myself (ha ha) to go with the 1SS just for draggn. Pretty bummed I even had to chose.
Just configure the auto trans model the way you want. A cam, headers & tune will be a big help (& big punishment for the trans).
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Just configure the auto trans model the way you want. A cam, headers & tune will be a big help (& big punishment for the trans).
This one's for investment and fun (2SS). Once I get it paid off, I'll find a rail. There's plenty out there. Just was looking to have a ton of fun in street class against all the Dodges at the track. You know, settle that argument once and for all.

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