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Old 03-04-2009, 05:47 PM   #1
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I smell an Urban Myth that might affect sale of Camaros….

In an effort Not to JACK another thread on racing, I decided to start a new thread to ask…
This might be too sensitive to talk about and I will understand if you don’t reply.

Has anyone PERSONALLY had their Warranty voided because they got "caught" at the drag strip?
(I am not meaning you know a guy who knew a dude who's second cousin got nailed… I mean you personally.)
I am also not talking about using it as a bracket racer.

I just can't imagine getting my Camaro warranty pulled because I went to a fun-n-grudge night to see how quick my MUSCLE CAR (with Launch Control) really was.
Wouldn’t voiding warranties promote street racing?

For the record - I am not going to go to the track or street race. In fact, my accelerator will probably never meet the carpet.

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Has anyone PERSONALLY had their Warranty voided because they got "caught" at the drag strip?


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My friend had is MARRIAGE voided because he got "caught" with a guy in drag...that count?
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Sounds like a myth to me. I've never heard of it happening. How would GM find out or prove it? Even if the manager of the local dealer saw you it would be his word against yours.

Slightly off topic, a friend of mine crashed his car at the track and his insurance adjuster happened to be there. They already had his account red flagged before he was even able to call.

For the record, my accelerator will meet the carpet many times, both on and off the track
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Ever heard of people posting U tube Videos of drag races (Legal and Illegal)? easy way to get caught doing all sorts of bad stuff.. Here is a car and driver article on Mitsubishi owners having this exact problem..

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In June, several Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution owners began posting notices on Evo-enthusiast Web sites saying their warranties had been canceled because they'd participated in timed racing events or installed aftermarket goodies on their cars. Owners complain that Mitsubishi used the Internet to dig up the names of these offenders. Owners found out about this when they visited dealers for repairs and were told that their warranties had been restricted because of the two activities.

Typical of all carmakers, Mitsubishi's warranty states that "problems or failures related to racing, alteration, and/or vehicle modifications are not covered conditions." Mitsubishi, meanwhile, denies that it proactively searches in hopes of voiding warranties. Responding to the complaints, the company said, "Mitsubishi does not have any automated Web search system looking for Lancer Evolutions involved in race events."

An Evo owner in Utah told Car and Driver that two weeks after he'd competed in an SCCA Solo II autocross, his car blew two connecting rods, which also ruined the turbocharger in the process. (Solo II racing involves coned courses in parking lots, and speeds rarely exceed 60 mph.) At the dealership, the owner said his warranty was voided even before the engine was examined, an action he said was based on computer information that he had participated in the autocross.

Reached for comment, Mitsubishi product and brand communication manager Janis Little said warranty claims are examined individually and Mitsubishi may deny claims if there is obvious evidence of abuse, modifications, or racing. The restricting or flagging of the warranty does not cancel the entire warranty, although getting warranty repairs done on a flagged car requires the approval of a district parts and service manager who oversees dealer warranty claims. When a warranty claim is questioned, Mitsubishi concedes that it may launch an investigation, which can include online searches for evidence the car was modified or run in a timed competition. The company adds, however, that owners are always given the benefit of the doubt.

The Utah owner got a whopping bill—nearly $8000—that, in his view, didn't qualify as the benefit of the doubt. He claims that Mitsubishi denied his warranty repairs before examining his car and that Mitsubishi's definition of racing is purposely vague. Evo owners stuck with bills for their damaged cars continue to flood Internet posting boards and forums railing about Mitsubishi's draconian measures and the company's lack of support for their broken Evos. Some see irony in the fact that the powerful little car is marketed on its rip-roaring sideways performance, but an owner who drives it in the manner of Gigi Galli could wind up behind a financial eight ball.
I can see that if you have a local track a dealer may go out and watch and if he sees maybe some people he has sold cars to racing those cars, him coming back with a video camera and videotaping and then flagging your car as being one they will not honor the warrenty on.. He can do it on the computer that all dealers will be connected to and thus you are busted and your warranty is gone... Video evidence is very hard to dispute... that is why every cop has one in his car now...
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In an effort Not to JACK another thread on racing, I decided to start a new thread to ask…
This might be too sensitive to talk about and I will understand if you don’t reply.

Has anyone PERSONALLY had their Warranty voided because they got "caught" at the drag strip?
(I am not meaning you know a guy who knew a dude who's second cousin got nailed… I mean you personally.)
I am also not talking about using it as a bracket racer.

I just can't imagine getting my Camaro warranty pulled because I went to a fun-n-grudge night to see how quick my MUSCLE CAR (with Launch Control) really was.
Wouldn’t voiding warranties promote street racing?

For the record - I am not going to go to the track or street race. In fact, my accelerator will probably never meet the carpet.

Thanks all!
I think it's BS. The warranty is allready shorter with the bigger motors. They should honor them unless you mod the motor.
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I think it's BS. The warranty is allready shorter with the bigger motors. They should honor them unless you mod the motor.
Who's warranty is shortend on larger engines? Not Chevy.. I think Chrysler shortened the ones on the SRT models...

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Chevrolet will warrant each 2007 through 2009 model year Chevrolet passenger car, light-duty truck, crossover or van for 5 years or 100,000 miles/160,000 kilometers (whichever comes first; see dealer for details) with no deductible, from the original inservice date of the vehicle, for warrantable repairs that are required as a result of defects due to material and/or workmanship to the powertrain components as listed below:

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All internally lubricated parts, engine oil cooling hoses, lines and radiators. Also included are all actuators and electrical components internal to the engine (i.e., Active Fuel Management Valve Lifter Oil Manifold, etc.), cylinder head, block, timing gears, timing chain, timing cover, oil pump/oil pump housing, OHC carriers, valve covers, oil pan, seals, gaskets, manifolds, flywheel, water pump, harmonic balancer, engine mount, starter motor, turbocharger and supercharger. Timing belts are covered until the first scheduled maintenance interval.

Exclusions
Excluded from the powertrain coverage are sensors, wiring, connectors, engine radiator, coolant hoses, coolant and heater core. Coverage on the engine cooling system begins at the inlet to the water pump and ends with the thermostat housing and/or outlet that attaches to the return hose. Also excluded are the entire pressurized fuel system (in-tank fuel pump, pressure lines, fuel rail(s), regulator, injectors and return line) as well as the Engine/Powertrain Control Module and/or module programming.

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Transmission/Transaxle: 2010 Chevrolet vehicles
All internally lubricated parts, case, torque converter, mounts, seals and gaskets as well as any electrical components internal to the transmission/transaxle. Also covered are any actuators directly connected to the transmission (slave cylinder, etc.). Exclusions: Excluded from the powertrain coverage are transmission cooling lines, hoses, radiator, sensors, wiring and electrical connectors. Also excluded are clutch and pressure plate as well as any Transmission Control Module and/or module programming.>

Transfer Case: 2010 Chevrolet vehicles
All internally lubricated parts, case, mounts, seals and gaskets as well as any electrical components internal to the transfer case. Also covered are any actuators directly connected to the transfer case as well as encoder motor. Exclusions: Excluded from the powertrain coverage are transfer case cooling lines, hoses, radiator, sensors, wiring and electrical connectors as well as the transfer case control module and/or module programming.

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All internally lubricated parts, final-drive housings, axle shafts and bearings, constant velocity joints, propeller shafts and universal joints. All wheel bearings, drive wheel front and rear hub bearings, locking hubs, mounts, supports, seals and gaskets as well as any electrical components internal to the drive axle. Also covered are any actuators directly connected to the drive axle (i.e., front differential actuator, etc). Exclusions: Excluded from the powertrain coverage are all drive system cooling, lines, hoses, radiator, sensors, wiring and electrical connectors related to drive systems as well as any drive system control module and/or module programming.

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Who's warranty is shortend on larger engines? Not Chevy.. I think Chrysler shortened the ones on the SRT models...
OK, I didn't know about Chevy. I know Dodge shortens it on the Challenger SRT8. The V6 gets you the standard 5 yr. 50,000 but the SRT8 only gets you 2yrs. and I think 20,000. That's what they told me when I talked to them last year.
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^^ they expect them to have to dog it to keep up in the corners with a mustang
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All the above items are not covered for damage due to accident, misuse, alteration, insufficient or improper maintenance, contaminated or poor quality fuel. Medium-duty trucks, including the C4500, are excluded from this powertrain coverage. For complete details, refer to your Warranty and Owner Assistance Information booklet.
If you show up to your dealer with a blown transmission and a 1/2 inch of rubber caked in your wheelwells you are damn sure he is gonna nail you. Its happened before, and it will happen again.

That said Spies from car or insurance companies being sent out happens FAR less often than you think, and usually they are provoked (IE I worked for an insurance company who had to gather more evidence to ironcladly deny a claim after a guy showed up with a car he rolled "on the road" which clearly had numbers and sponsor decals peeled off after the fact)
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like I said in another thread. I personally have seen the warranty voided for an 08 vette. so I know it can happen. but it's you got to make friends with the right people so that doesn't happen. lol.
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I've seen Mazda void a Warranty because I couldn't produce reciepts of all my previous oil changes...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13042

So, yes, they can void a warranty if they want to.
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This has been brought up with something similar.. Not running the reccomended oil weight in a persons car.. IE. cap says 5-30. and someon uses 10-30 instead.. FORD being the main one.. I went to the local dealers and talked to the guys. I was told "IN NO WAY CAN THEY VOID THE ENTIRE WARRANTY"" BUT they could DENY any claim they feel is caused due to MODS, NEGLECT, ABUSE, ETC...

Voiding somones warranty( that as far as i know you pay for.INCLUDED in sale price) would be a PUBLIC OPINION NIGHTMARE..
But Hey What Do I Know, Since I'm Not a service writer anymore..
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This has been brought up with something similar.. Not running the reccomended oil weight in a persons car.. IE. cap says 5-30. and someon uses 10-30 instead.. FORD being the main one.. I went to the local dealers and talked to the guys. I was told "IN NO WAY CAN THEY VOID THE ENTIRE WARRANTY"" BUT they could DENY any claim they feel is caused due to MODS, NEGLECT, ABUSE, ETC...

Voiding somones warranty( that as far as i know you pay for.INCLUDED in sale price) would be a PUBLIC OPINION NIGHTMARE..
But Hey What Do I Know, Since I'm Not a service writer anymore..
"Deny your warranty claim" is a better way to phrase it.

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[B]Has anyone PERSONALLY had their Warranty voided because they For the record - I am not going to go to the track or street race. In fact, my accelerator will probably never meet the carpet.

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I cant say too much about warranty stuff personally but I have whitnessed some pretty intresting shiznit over the years (I work on performance stuff for a living) such as Ford sending two reps to go as far as removing the cab from Lightning looking for evidence of foul play. I've seen them do oil tests to confirm nitrous use, and lots of other stuff

The story that happened most recently did not involve the warrantee but rather the insurance policy. A customer brought in a letter from his insurance company with an attached picture of his car on the starting line at the local dragstrip. his plate was clear in the picture. They said they were dropping him because he was "obviously" a risk. I was like "WTF????" so ... in short children, what we've learned is: you're better off street racing to keep your insurance. LMAO. Seriously ... what are these people thinking? I think they are just looking or any reason to dump you after they've got your money.
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...The story that happened most recently did not involve the warrantee but rather the insurance policy. A customer brought in a letter from his insurance company with an attached picture of his car on the starting line at the local dragstrip. his plate was clear in the picture. They said they were dropping him because he was "obviously" a risk. I was like "WTF????" so ... in short children, what we've learned is: you're better off street racing to keep your insurance. LMAO. Seriously ... what are these people thinking? I think they are just looking or any reason to dump you after they've got your money.
and that's why you take your plates off when you do that kind of stuff (and don't have readily recognizable cars)
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I don't think a warranty will be voided, but claims can be rejected due to suspected misuse, which would include racing. So if you do that, just be aware that anything that goes wrong as a result comes out of your pocket. As for the insurance thing, yeah it definitely couldn't hurt to remove the plates as soon as you get there.

I will say if people want to reducing illegal racing, legal racing needs to be accommodated. It should not incur insurance penalties, and local governments should support the creation and maintenance of race facilities open to the public.
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Really worried about voiding your warranty, losing your insurance coverage, or what have you? Just pull your plates at the track. It's not like it's hard. I mean, if people can swap wheels, you can pull your tags off.
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