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Old 06-09-2011, 04:11 PM   #301
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I can honestly say I have no idea. I believe very little, but as Fbodfather says, "I don't remember seeing him in any of our meetings" so that is only a pure 100% opinion.



Beaten to death. TT V6 = LS3 on it's best day. And weight of 3 more camshafts, Turbo and intercooler make up for much of the weight reduction. Look at the Ford Truck engine. It's just barely an LS3 if at all. It just gets FE.........................wait new rumor. Z28 for 28 mpgs.




BTW, what is this? It looks purrrrrrty in red.
there are plenty of people with GT-Rs that would walk all over you and your LS3 with their TT V6 so I'm not sure where you are getting your info from....

and what does the ford truck engine have to do with it? its a truck engine not a sports car engine.

all i'm trying to say is there are many other options out there besides the LS7 for a potential Z28 model and I hope that GM considers all the options.
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there are plenty of people with GT-Rs that would walk all over you and your LS3 with their TT V6 so I'm not sure where you are getting your info from....

and what does the ford truck engine have to do with it? its a truck engine not a sports car engine.

all i'm trying to say is there are many other options out there besides the LS7 for a potential Z28 model and I hope that GM considers all the options.
So are you saying this Z28 should now cost $90,000 or are you saying it should be AWD.

That "truck engine" is a critical comparison. Displacement and turbo equals a certain HP range. You can use the Taurus Sho/Truck engine as a good baseline for what you can expect in a reasonably priced car.

And you do know the LS3 is for all intents and purposes, also in a truck?

Realistically, you can hear V6 TT and think 530 HP GTR all you want.............................just make sure you add some $$$ to got with it.
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there are plenty of people with GT-Rs that would walk all over you and your LS3 with their TT V6 so I'm not sure where you are getting your info from....

and what does the ford truck engine have to do with it? its a truck engine not a sports car engine.

all i'm trying to say is there are many other options out there besides the LS7 for a potential Z28 model and I hope that GM considers all the options.
You're comparing a hand-built supercar engine to a production line engine. Considering the source(s) of his information, I'd say they're pretty reliable. Check it out...
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So are you saying this Z28 should now cost $90,000 or are you saying it should be AWD.

That "truck engine" is a critical comparison. Displacement and turbo equals a certain HP range. You can use the Taurus Sho/Truck engine as a good baseline for what you can expect in a reasonably priced car.

And you do know the LS3 is for all intents and purposes, also in a truck?

Realistically, you can hear V6 TT and think 530 HP GTR all you want.............................just make sure you add some $$$ to got with it.
no i want a Z28 that sits between the 2LT and the 1SS.
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You're comparing a hand-built supercar engine to a production line engine. Considering the source(s) of his information, I'd say they're pretty reliable. Check it out...
well i don't know where he gets his info from so ya....
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no i want a Z28 that sits between the 2LT and the 1SS.
So a TT V6 is going to be cheaper than LS3 in a relatively low volume model? I'm not good at math, but There's no way to get Z28 in that price range in a car that's going to be sold on through a dealership with a factory warranty.

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no i want a Z28 that sits between the 2LT and the 1SS.
Not going to happen! More likely it will sit between 2SS and ZL1. And as far as your V6 Z/28 vision.......
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no i want a Z28 that sits between the 2LT and the 1SS.
That isn't happening, plain and simple. Especially if you want a V6 like whats in the GTR. Giving a base LSCamaro an engine like Fords Ecoboost might get you into that price point. But the added weight of everything involved now makes it weigh as much (or more) than an SS. On top of that, now you don't have the improved suspension (or grippy tires) from the SS so it would handle worse than the V8 car. Its throttle responce wouldn't be as good either. It wouldn't be as powerful as the V8 car, though torque could be comparable.

All in all, you'd have a car that is all around worse than an SS (except perhaps in fuel economy) for no obvious benefit. More importantly, it wouldn't have the handling that enthusiasts expect from a Z28.
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Trust us we've been at this Z28 discussion thing for sometime. The best fit so far is the LS7.
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:21 PM   #310
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Not going to happen! More likely it will sit between 2SS and ZL1. And as far as your V6 Z/28 vision.......
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No frigging way will the Z/28 be less that a SS.

I have posted before about putting a V6 in a Z/28 and this would be an "EPIC FAILURE!!!"
not only for those of us that want a Z/28 but for Chevrolet.
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so you guys can all have your wish lists and I can't? ok whatever i'm outta here
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so you guys can all have your wish lists and I can't? ok whatever i'm outta here
Whoa whoa whoa. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that. However, given the many comments and opinions and ideas, I believe many of the numbers I've seen where it's not feasible or even benefitial for a TT V6. Speaking for myself, only, I'll say that I welcome ideas and opinions, but there are just times when the end doesn't justify the means. It's your choice, but IMVHO, your comparison (the one I noticed about the GTR) just isn't a fair one. It's all on you.
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As I said before we've been at this a while and have come to conclusions based on enlightenment which in turn we are now offering you.
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so you guys can all have your wish lists and I can't? ok whatever i'm outta here
You can wish all you want, and please forgive me I'm not trying be be an
a-hole or mean, but a $29,000 V6 Z/28 isn't going to happen.
I estimate between $45,000 to $50,000.
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so you guys can all have your wish lists and I can't? ok whatever i'm outta here
You can have your wishlist, sure. But the car you described doesn't really fit as a Z28. It may have its place, perhaps as a Berlinetta, just not as a Z28.
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there are plenty of people with GT-Rs that would walk all over you and your LS3 with their TT V6 so I'm not sure where you are getting your info from....

and what does the ford truck engine have to do with it? its a truck engine not a sports car engine.

all i'm trying to say is there are many other options out there besides the LS7 for a potential Z28 model and I hope that GM considers all the options.
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so you guys can all have your wish lists and I can't? ok whatever i'm outta here
Edge......................of course you get your wish list. And then we get to reel you back in a little to reality. That is why this thread is going so well. You've proposed a 530 HP V6. We're simply putting reality on your wish and then asking if you can't afford a 530 HP TT V6 can would you take a 400 HP V6 which is far more realistic?

And the discussion continues from there.

So please don't bail. The discussion needs all the ideas it can to form gravitational pull sufficient to materialize a Z28.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:18 PM   #317
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I am still a proponent for a small displacement (like a 5.3) said many times or the mythical 5.5 DI revving machine. LS7 sounds cool, but I don't think that it would do the trick. Sure, 427 sounds cool but the not so cool part is the 7.4L and all the gas it would suck and the cafe standards. I know for a fact, a 5.3L with 450-475 HP would certainly do the trick wether reaching the goal is by DI or agressive cam. The tech is there, just search the internet on some of these 5.3(327CU IN) screamers that are out there. The bores on the block are much thicker for all the abuse for a "track car". I guess that I will say it til lI am blue in the face or I get booed off the stage. it is the little engine that can.
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The Z06 doesn't have problems being a track car.

The point "again" is we need something ready now for an engine if we hope to see a 5Gen Z28.
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The Z06 doesn't have problems being a track car.

The point "again" is we need something ready now for an engine if we hope to see a 5Gen Z28.
LS7 fits that bill perfectly.
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sorry was having a bad day yesterday apparently. i see all your points now are right thanks for not blasting me too badly lol
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it seems that you have the engine but what about the weight? it part of the reason the z06 does so well around the track not to mention the acceleration
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it seems that you have the engine but what about the weight? it part of the reason the z06 does so well around the track not to mention the acceleration
We'll do the best we can. If you read the post you'll see what's been mentioned. However it's a big car and only so much can be accomplished. It's a HUGE reason the LS7 makes sense.
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its going to be hard to put corvette weight on a car that is between the 45 to 50 range......is that going to hurt acceleration? can suspension be added to improve performance and more stiff bushings but not to stiff cause thats how things break?
do you go away from traditional style to more modern and less displacement? the future is looking grim for car lovers
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have any of you read user Doc's build? He has cut out a large amount of weight that GM could use as a template. simple things like changing the battery out and even the lugnuts he uses. could be a good start to get some of the weight out of the car.
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have any of you read user Doc's build? He has cut out a large amount of weight that GM could use as a template. simple things like changing the battery out and even the lugnuts he uses. could be a good start to get some of the weight out of the car.
EXCELLENT points. That's what GM did on the C5 Z06. Thinner glass, smaller battery, Ti exhaust, fixed magnesum roof, and some other features that I've forgotten. Doc's build is definately one to look at to make the most of what GM has given is
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