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Old 08-26-2011, 11:28 AM   #876
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This entire thread has been "thought-provoking"...so how about makin' it "wish-fulfilling"?

I KNOW we don't need a poll for that...we just need a lil "co-operation"...
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:52 PM   #877
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Will the new Z/28 be limited like the Boss, and will there be a rear seat delete option?
What are your opinions?
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I hope the only limitation is the LS7 Build capacity at Wixom, and wasn't it mentioned there is room...for more stations...JUST a thought...
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It MAY be a hard decision between the Z/28 and the Z-L1...
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Decisions, decisions...

Wouldn't that be a great "problem" to have?!
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:13 PM   #881
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Wouldn't that be a great "problem" to have?!
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It MAY be a hard decision between the ZL1 and the Boss
Fixed it for you! "jk"

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Decisions, decisions...

Wouldn't that be a great "problem" to have?!

Decisions, I don't need no stinkin' "DECISION"
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Decisions, I don't need no stinkin' "DECISION"
Apparently "someone" does...
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So we are just waiting on the final decision?
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Apparently "someone" does...
Thanks, I just got excited, at least that's what my wife thinks sometimes.
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What's the speculation on the Z/28 performance vice the ZL1? Thoughts?
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Will the new Z/28 be limited like the Boss, and will there be a rear seat delete option?
What are your opinions?
I believe strongly that the main reason the Boss is limited so tightly is that it has a low profit margin for Ford...they wanted to make a splash with the Boss, but they can't afford it....

So...purely speculatively-speaking...can I answer with another question?
Will the Z28 be priced appropriately?
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Old 08-26-2011, 03:42 PM   #888
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What's the speculation on the Z/28 performance vice the ZL1? Thoughts?
The ZL1 will be a road course animal. GM and Chevrolet are absolutely committed to that. They have ramped up thier validation to make certain the car will shine at a HPDEs or open track time.

If there is a Z/28 and if they build it as we have discussed in this thread the Z/28 would be a better car on a road course defined by -- less weight up front, less heat soak (NA vs FI) and a wheel and tire package that is designed for optimal cornering at the expense of ride quality.

In terms of technology, the ZL1 is state-of-the-art. The Z/28 would be old school, because that is what the enthusiasts in this thread want.
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So we are just waiting on the final decision?
Maybe some well-placed e-mails and pms would help...

name.name@gm.com...camaro5 subscribers under certain nom de plumes...

Sometimes it's better to be pro-active...just in case this "issue" has slipped their minds...

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Old 08-26-2011, 03:51 PM   #890
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"OLD SCHOOL"?!

Hell, I'm just plain OLD...sonny!
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I have to say this is one of the best threads on camaro5. I have
not been able to read every page yet, but I get the idea, and agree
we need an LS7 Camaro and the z/28 is a perfect fit. There is a
tuner/aftermarket shop in my area that has done quite a few LS7
conversions into SS camaros and the results are very exciting.
I had the opportunity to drive the 2nd car they built, rode in another,
and have seen many others set up as N/A LS7 cars and Supercharged
LS7 cars, and all are very exciting. The day I drove the car, I
quickly came to the conclusion that an LS7 was my top choice for
the camaro I wanted. I have yet to purchase my camaro for a
couple reasons, but an LS7 Z28 will send me over the edge and
force that purchase decision to happen rather quickly.

Has anyone else here driven an LS7 Camaro ?
Does anyone here own an LS7 Camaro ?
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The ZL1 will be a road course animal. GM and Chevrolet are absolutely committed to that. They have ramped up thier validation to make certain the car will shine at a HPDEs or open track time.

If there is a Z/28 and if they build it as we have discussed in this thread the Z/28 would be a better car on a road course defined by -- less weight up front, less heat soak (NA vs FI) and a wheel and tire package that is designed for optimal cornering at the expense of ride quality.

In terms of technology, the ZL1 is state-of-the-art. The Z/28 would be old school, because that is what the enthusiasts in this thread want.
Give me old school!!
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Dragoneye, "appropriate pricing" is in the eye of the buyer...AND GM...

BOSSes from $42-48K leaves a "sweet spot" for Z/28 pricing to play within...'tween 2SS and ZL1...with performance close to a ZL1, especially 'round a track, as Pete astutely notes. And that spread allows for a carefully-optioned and -featured 1SS with an LS7, a suitably upgraded "old school" "enhanced FE4" suspension, HD brakes/driveline components, and weight-saving, handling-assisting measures like forged wheels and Z (or R) -rated rubber for supreme gription (my favorite recent word...).

Like the BOSS, and complementing Wixom's "wishes" and "capacities", 5,000 units would frankly be the tip of the iceberg...with NO Titanic downside...

Sorry for the metaphors, but you get the gist...right?

NOW...do "they" get the gist?!

Get those card 'n letters (and e-mails) going! Vote with your wallets, folks!

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Old 08-26-2011, 04:45 PM   #894
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I have to say this is one of the best threads on camaro5. I have
not been able to read every page yet, but I get the idea, and agree
we need an LS7 Camaro and the z/28 is a perfect fit. There is a
tuner/aftermarket shop in my area that has done quite a few LS7
conversions into SS camaros and the results are very exciting.
I had the opportunity to drive the 2nd car they built, rode in another,
and have seen many others set up as N/A LS7 cars and Supercharged
LS7 cars, and all are very exciting. The day I drove the car, I
quickly came to the conclusion that an LS7 was my top choice for
the camaro I wanted. I have yet to purchase my camaro for a
couple reasons, but an LS7 Z28 will send me over the edge and
force that purchase decision to happen rather quickly.

Has anyone else here driven an LS7 Camaro ?
Does anyone here own an LS7 Camaro ?
Welcome our friend, please tell your friends about this thread .

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The ZL1 will be a road course animal. GM and Chevrolet are absolutely committed to that. They have ramped up thier validation to make certain the car will shine at a HPDEs or open track time.

If there is a Z/28 and if they build it as we have discussed in this thread the Z/28 would be a better car on a road course defined by -- less weight up front, less heat soak (NA vs FI) and a wheel and tire package that is designed for optimal cornering at the expense of ride quality.
I agree!!

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Maybe some well-placed e-mails and pms would help...

name.name@gm.com...camaro5 subscribers under certain nom de plumes...

Sometimes it's better to be pro-active...just in case this "issue" has slipped their minds...

Oh, and be SURE and tell 'em your VISA order deposit awaits...
It's definitely NOT slipped their minds.....just be careful to avoid "well-placed emails" becoming "badgering messages"...


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Dragoneye, "appropriate pricing" is in the eye of the buyer...AND GM...

BOSSes from $42-48K leaves a "sweet spot" for Z/28 pricing to play within...'tween 2SS and ZL1...with performance close to a ZL1, especially 'round a track, as Pete astutely notes. And that spread allows for a carefully-optioned and -featured 1SS with an LS7, a suitably upgraded "old school" "enhanced FE4" suspension, HD brakes/driveline components, and weight-saving, handling-assisting measures like forged wheels and Z (or R) -rated rubber for supreme gription (my favorite recent word...).

Like the BOSS, and complementing Wixom's "wishes" and "capacities", 5,000 units would frankly be the tip of the iceberg...with NO Titanic downside...

Sorry for the metaphors, but you get the gist...right?

NOW...do "they" get the gist?!
Call me Joe.

Knowing roughly what my car will be like when Tom Henry Racing and I are done with it...I would value the formula above around $45k - from the factory...that should be enough to let them make some money (unlike, I suspect, the Boss) which means unlimited numbers, like the ZL1.
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I believe strongly that the main reason the Boss is limited so tightly is that it has a low profit margin for Ford...they wanted to make a splash with the Boss, but they can't afford it....

So...purely speculatively-speaking...can I answer with another question?
Will the Z28 be priced appropriately?
I don't see that, care to elaborate? Thanks.
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Dragoneye, "appropriate pricing" is in the eye of the buyer...AND GM...

BOSSes from $42-48K leaves a "sweet spot" for Z/28 pricing to play within...'tween 2SS and ZL1...with performance close to a ZL1, especially 'round a track, as Pete astutely notes. And that spread allows for a carefully-optioned and -featured 1SS with an LS7, a suitably upgraded "old school" "enhanced FE4" suspension, HD brakes/driveline components, and weight-saving, handling-assisting measures like forged wheels and Z (or R) -rated rubber for supreme gription (my favorite recent word...).

Like the BOSS, and complementing Wixom's "wishes" and "capacities", 5,000 units would frankly be the tip of the iceberg...with NO Titanic downside...

Sorry for the metaphors, but you get the gist...right?

NOW...do "they" get the gist?!

Get those card 'n letters (and e-mails) going! Vote with your wallets, folks!

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I would like to see what you think "each" of those add-ons would add $ to the cost of a 1SS. Thanks.
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I don't see that, care to elaborate? Thanks.
Conversations with people led me to more closely look at the changes they made to the vehicle, and estimate the costs incurred. These "people" also have a very calibrated guestimator on their shoulders...

When a company in the business of making money wants to introduce a new product to a specific, limited audience - one of the few ways to justify it in a business case is the increased profit over an existing product.

As I see the options...the Boss doesn't do that. Or else if it does - it's marginal at best. Meaning (to me), that Ford values the marketing effect of the Boss enough to justify the development costs. I heard that the Boss will only be produced for 2 MYs, as well...if this is true...then it would seem to support my guesses.

That's why I asked about Z28 price. GM would probably be inclined to charge more to justify it, because they already have the Camaro AND Corvette for their 'mystique'.
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Conversations with people led me to more closely look at the changes they made to the vehicle, and estimate the costs incurred. These "people" also have a very calibrated guestimator on their shoulders...

When a company in the business of making money wants to introduce a new product to a specific, limited audience - one of the few ways to justify it in a business case is the increased profit over an existing product.

As I see the options...the Boss doesn't do that. Or else if it does - it's marginal at best. Meaning (to me), that Ford values the marketing effect of the Boss enough to justify the development costs. I heard that the Boss will only be produced for 2 MYs, as well...if this is true...then it would seem to support my guesses.

That's why I asked about Z28 price. GM would probably be inclined to charge more to justify it, because they already have the Camaro AND Corvette for their 'mystique'.
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Yes marketing a product is expensive, so if a product can market itself or better yet market an entire brand it can make sense to create even if said product causes a loss.
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Yes marketing a product is expensive, so if a product can market itself or better yet market an entire brand it can make sense to create even if said product causes a loss.
Basically.

Ah, but let's get back to the car that matters here.
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