Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
HURST
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-12-2011, 12:17 PM   #533
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGthe3 View Post
So make it with the gen V 'LR7' (or whatever the high performance naturally aspirated V8 is called).
If they went that route then it would be safe to bet we may not see a Z/28 until the 6th Gen Camaro is released.

Now if we cant have the LS7 in the 5th Gen because of cost and the fact that it's on its way out.... And we(they) dont want to wait until the 6th gen to release a Z/28.... What are our other options to create a 5th Gen Z/28????
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 12:20 PM   #534
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
It has suddenly become clear, here, in the last few days the Laguna Seca is being used as the "benchmark" for performance by many. A $6995 option package which saves ZERO weight (rear seat delete = chassis bracing), and is being sold at a rate of 15% of BOSS production. A "halo" for a "halo".

Would GM consider the same?

LS3+ "Z/28" as "Base" @ $40ish (as per RJ), and an LS7 @ a $6995 premium, for a "Halo" of a "Halo"?!

Keep in mind, Mustang's current version has a "Best Before" date roughly equal to the Gen-5 Camaro...
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 12:23 PM   #535
DGthe3
Moderator.ca
 
DGthe3's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 Grand Am GT
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Niagara, Canada
Posts: 23,293
Send a message via MSN to DGthe3
The other thing with the LS7 being on the way out is ... how do we know that it will be cancelled before the end of the gen IV run? If its not, then its going to live roughly as long as the LS3. And its more work to get a high output version of the LS3 into the Camaro than it would be to just use the LS7.
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________
Originally Posted by FbodFather
My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors......
........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!!
__________________

Camaro Fest sub-forum
DGthe3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 12:26 PM   #536
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGthe3 View Post
The other thing with the LS7 being on the way out is ... how do we know that it will be cancelled before the end of the gen IV run? If its not, then its going to live roughly as long as the LS3. And its more work to get a high output version of the LS3 into the Camaro than it would be to just use the LS7.
That, and the fact that mods to the LS3 CO$T...shrinking the "cost to GM" differential between the hot LS3 and a production-ready LS7.

You cannot simply say "an LS7 is TWICE the cost of an LS3"...TWICE of WHAT?!
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:10 PM   #537
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOWDOWN View Post
That, and the fact that mods to the LS3 CO$T...shrinking the "cost to GM" differential between the hot LS3 and a production-ready LS7.

You cannot simply say "an LS7 is TWICE the cost of an LS3"...TWICE of WHAT?!
If the Vette's model change arrives in 2013 as a 2014 thats only two years a way. If the new vette does not use the LS7 and only uses GenV engines the LS7 will be dead. With that being said do yall think GM could recoup the R@D and validation cost of trying to drop a LS7 into the Camaro in only 2 years?

Yes I know we are dealing with a lot of if's and but's here but its all we got
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:17 PM   #538
JusticePete
 
JusticePete's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaro Justice
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 17,636
That is a #3 loaded question. If they were to use data from the LSA ZL1 for driveline validation to reduce the cost my guess would be yes. If they start with a clean sheet of paper my guess would be no.
JusticePete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:27 PM   #539
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete View Post
That is a #3 loaded question. If they were to use data from the LSA ZL1 for driveline validation to reduce the cost my guess would be yes.
Gee, Pete, why wouldn't they?! This IS, after all, the New GM...

With regard the LS7 usage in a "Z/28", I bet you a Tim Horton donut (your choice) MORE LS7s would be built for a sub-$50 Camaro than ever were used in north-of-$70 Vettes...
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:29 PM   #540
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete View Post
That is a #3 loaded question. If they were to use data from the LSA ZL1 for driveline validation to reduce the cost my guess would be yes. If they start with a clean sheet of paper my guess would be no.
But to use the LSA ZL1 driveline validation that same drive line would have to be in the Z/28 correct?
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:39 PM   #541
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Yes, as mentioned earlier, for durability and reliability (warrantee containment), piece-cost reduction and, therefore, improved profit$.

Win-Win-Win
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:43 PM   #542
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOWDOWN View Post
Yes, as mentioned earlier, for durability and reliability (warrantee containment), piece-cost reduction and, therefore, improved profit$.

Win-Win-Win
Not a win when you figure using that heavily beefed up driveline is going to add weight to what we are trying to make a track star.
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 01:49 PM   #543
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Again...starting with an LS-contented interior, your friend Number 3's careful use of seam-sealer/mastic/insulation/underlay etc. etc., dropping the dry-sump tank from the LS7, using forged wheels (19s??) and lighter non-run-flat tires will at least offset the HD Tremec/HD diff/bigger brakes/HD bars. The springs, as per Pete, if not MR, are a wash, as are the higher durometer bushings throughout...

An LS7 "Z/28" for the final Curb Weight of a 1SS...3849...or less...as per the power-to-weight calculations mentioned above.
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 02:02 PM   #544
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,281
Again...... If the LS7 is really on its way out than none of this matters! That is why I am trying to look at all the options for a Z/28 (also GM's side).
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 02:05 PM   #545
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 4,145
Mac, would you agree that, regardless, a production-ready engine MUST be used in a Gen-5 ZEE?

If yes, your choices are few...LS3...LS7...LSA...LS9...at this time...and NO Gen-5 V8 for Camaro till after the Vette gets it, which is easily a year away, and then likely a year after that...
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 02:16 PM   #546
JusticePete
 
JusticePete's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaro Justice
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 17,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShnOmac View Post
But to use the LSA ZL1 driveline validation that same drive line would have to be in the Z/28 correct?
Durability vs weight. We can still pull 200 pounds out with smaller wheels and tires, titanium exhuast, less sound insulation and so on. AND, the extra weight is in the back half of the Z/28
JusticePete is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Tags
700 hp z/28 in 2014, the greatest camaro

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BREAKING: 2012 CAMARO ZL1 - 6.2L LSA Supercharged - 6MT Revealed! Tran Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics 756 05-01-2013 06:22 AM
Transcript of Camaro ZL1 Q&A Webchat with Chevrolet Tran Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics 38 02-17-2012 12:45 AM
Installation Camaro Needed for Manual for a Justice Install Package in SF Bay Area Info@PeddersUSA.com USA - California 6 04-30-2010 08:02 PM
The DEFINITIVE EXPLANATION OF CAMARO SUSPENSION, ISSUES, AND UPGRADES Info@PeddersUSA.com Suspension / Brakes / Chassis 106 10-19-2009 06:08 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.