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Old 09-03-2011, 11:19 AM   #976
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I picture myself in that Camaro commercial (old/young) in the years to come.
Keep feelin' young, I do!
....me too...reminds me of way back when pulling up to get my girfriend(now wife) at her home. I'm not quite in the age group of the "parent" going out the door(not yet...!) But I know that feeling of being like a teenager over again with the Camaro connection. It's a very well crafted commercial. I am like a kid inside still, and plan on staying that way!. It certainly connects to my fifties age group.
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My "fear" for a truly name-worthy Z/28 version (in the likeness of what we've agreed to, and now seek) is that, to answer the "next BIG Camaro thing" question as a follow-up to the vaunted ZL1, so little Gen-5 production time will remain... So, to make the Business Case number$ work, you'll have a bloated pricetag affixed to the window to cover the inevitable development co$t$, now spread over much fewer examples...and/or they'll settle for something less than the LS7...

"Last of the red-hot Gen-5 Camaros...get 'em while you can!!"

And that would be a shame...
I have a '73 Z28, it's midnight blue....I want a new Z-28...in IBM blue. I sold myself that a ZL1 was going to have to be a compromise for me. This thread, you guys, GM info (*reading into whats been said) and all the time inbetween the release of the initial information and this inane waiting has made me understand what I really wanted, a matching bookend IBM Z28, not ZL1. I will drop 60 K on exactly what I want, if that is what a Z28 will cost, so be it. What's a real shame is that there is sooo much wait and see between the big two, especially on Chevy's end. It is taking Chevy how much time to get the ZL1 out? Please don't explain to me about what they have been saying to defend their position, it's all been said before, and I bought into it too. Sorry, I don't want to keep having to buy into the company party line about all the testing and validation. They spent less time on the Saturn V rocket for cryin out loud. Put the freakin thing out there, sell what you can, build the gosh darn Z28 without all the delay and dilly dally. Heck, for decades they weren't so concerned about the end product, now these babies are hot again and they are draggin their feet. Creating hype to sell a product. Look, for us older peeps with the spendable income to buy these outlandish models they don't need no hype. They aren't going to sell a ton of 'em anyway because of the cost. I don't wanna be the guy thinking "geez, I really want a Z28 but I gotta buy a ZL1 'cause that''ll be it", then oingo boingo a Z-28 comes out a year later. I am an old guy and running out of time, sorry for my rant and impatience but I will be patient even longer because I won't be all pent up and agitated waiting for something I really want rather than wait for something I convinced myself I wanted and made a compromise on. I'm officially off the fence. I just want a low rider, stiff and harsh suspension, gearing and rubber to match with a stick and a big arse N/A motor, with kick butt stereo sat radio...I want to wind and twist at high RPM's while blasting the radio. I'm not hard to please, plush and cozy ain't my dealio....my sig pic say's it all......
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:59 PM   #978
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:36 PM   #979
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I don't expect anything to be announced until the ZL1 is on the streets. Just give it some time and keep Z faith.
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....me too...reminds me of way back when pulling up to get my girfriend(now wife) at her home. I'm not quite in the age group of the "parent" going out the door(not yet...!) But I know that feeling of being like a teenager over again with the Camaro connection. It's a very well crafted commercial. I am like a kid inside still, and plan on staying that way!. It certainly connects to my fifties age group.
I here ya! I just turned 50, but feel 30.
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:56 PM   #981
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I here ya! I just turned 50, but feel 30.
At 62, I don't feel that much different than I did at 30 other than some aches and pains, I have to wait for the ibuprofen to kick in while drinking my morning coffee. In spite of that, I still listen to Zeppelin and Robin Trower and love to drive fast with the sounds cranked up, especially if there are a lot of twists and turns!
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:01 PM   #982
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I don't expect anything to be announced until the ZL1 is on the streets. Just give it some time and keep Z faith.
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At 62, I don't feel that much different than I did at 30 other than some aches and pains, I have to wait for the ibuprofen to kick in while drinking my morning coffee. In spite of that, I still listen to Zeppelin and Robin Trower and love to drive fast with the sounds cranked up, especially if there are a lot of twists and turns!
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:25 AM   #983
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I have a '73 Z28, it's midnight blue....I want a new Z-28...in IBM blue. I sold myself that a ZL1 was going to have to be a compromise for me. This thread, you guys, GM info (*reading into whats been said) and all the time inbetween the release of the initial information and this inane waiting has made me understand what I really wanted, a matching bookend IBM Z28, not ZL1. I will drop 60 K on exactly what I want, if that is what a Z28 will cost, so be it. What's a real shame is that there is sooo much wait and see between the big two, especially on Chevy's end. It is taking Chevy how much time to get the ZL1 out? Please don't explain to me about what they have been saying to defend their position, it's all been said before, and I bought into it too. Sorry, I don't want to keep having to buy into the company party line about all the testing and validation. They spent less time on the Saturn V rocket for cryin out loud. Put the freakin thing out there, sell what you can, build the gosh darn Z28 without all the delay and dilly dally. Heck, for decades they weren't so concerned about the end product, now these babies are hot again and they are draggin their feet. Creating hype to sell a product. Look, for us older peeps with the spendable income to buy these outlandish models they don't need no hype. They aren't going to sell a ton of 'em anyway because of the cost. I don't wanna be the guy thinking "geez, I really want a Z28 but I gotta buy a ZL1 'cause that''ll be it", then oingo boingo a Z-28 comes out a year later. I am an old guy and running out of time, sorry for my rant and impatience but I will be patient even longer because I won't be all pent up and agitated waiting for something I really want rather than wait for something I convinced myself I wanted and made a compromise on. I'm officially off the fence. I just want a low rider, stiff and harsh suspension, gearing and rubber to match with a stick and a big arse N/A motor, with kick butt stereo sat radio...I want to wind and twist at high RPM's while blasting the radio. I'm not hard to please, plush and cozy ain't my dealio....my sig pic say's it all......
Wow! "Feelin' that way too" (Journey)
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At 62, I don't feel that much different than I did at 30 other than some aches and pains, I have to wait for the ibuprofen to kick in while drinking my morning coffee. In spite of that, I still listen to Zeppelin and Robin Trower and love to drive fast with the sounds cranked up, especially if there are a lot of twists and turns!
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Regarding the new photos on the ZL1 page, isn't a ram air hood usually an NA thing not FI?
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:48 PM   #988
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Regarding the new photos on the ZL1 page, isn't a ram air hood usually an NA thing not FI?
My guess is they are fighting heat soak.
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Pete I believe you hit it on the head.
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Looking at the new "testing" pics closely, I believe the cheap looking hood is hiding a hood. I'm definately thinking Z28. Why not hide the Z28 by making it look like the ZL1 as much as possible? Also it looks like a mesh in the what would be brake cooling duct area. Plus where is the ZL1's side aero? Testing the Z28 could take another year plus putting it out far after the ZL1's huge "entry" has passed.

Chevy has to keep the excitement comin'! So I do believe this is a Z28.
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I apologise for being so quiet lately. I have been reading tea leaves and connecting the dots. The release of the ZL1 power numbers provide a couple of key dots. Chevrolet found quite a bit of power in that 'off the shelf' LSA....

I speak with quite a few GM 'insiders' at this time of year for various SEMA projects. I have been trying to read between the lines of all these conversations. I failed to identify a single solid clue to the existence of a LS7 Camaro program from anyone at GM

Here is the good news. My anonymous sources at Ford and Chrysler insist there is a LS7 Camaro development program that is probably a Z/28

Before we get too excited, I was watching a WW II history program this week. Before the Normandy invasion the Allies built an army out of inflatable tanks, trucks and planes. With that caveat allow me to connect a few more dots.

The ZL1 'borrows' off the shelf bits from the Vette and discontinued CTS-V track pack for various coolers. All of that is now available for a LS7 Z/28 project if Chevrolet chooses to use it

Corvette sales have been soft. The new C7 is at least two years out. It would only make sense to continue the current direction of the Vette i.e. the Z06 Carbon kit with an 'enhanced' LS7. That enhanced (read as more HP and more TQ) LS7 would be prefect for the Z/28

Without any confirmation of any kind from inside GM, I couldn't even get one of those 'I think I saw a flash of a smile' moments as a soft confirmation so I am connecting dots from GM press releases, past GM SEMA projects, ZL1 details, Vette details and counter intelligence from Ford and Chrysler to come to a conclusion.

Add in the mystery hood on the ZL1 camo car posted here... Ford and Chrysler guys calling it a done deal.... extra power in the LSA.... available coolers off the shelf from the Camaro parts bin... a few tea leaves in the bottom of my morning cupper and we have a .....
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It would be rather easy to throw a ZL1 hood onto "another" model just to throw people off.....
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Thanks Pete. The dots are filling in.
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Did we ever decide if the Z/28 has to beat the ZL1 around a road course? Like the Boss beating the GT500?
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I dont find it necessary. The ZL1 will do it with extra power and electronics. My Z28 will do it with me.
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I am putting my faith in the 'off the shelf' LS7. The one they plan to put in the Vette. Rumor has it the C7 would have a 570 HP 525 TQ LS7. Given that these numbers are pure speculation by various print and Internet 'news' sources it may be pure fiction. On the other hand, since I am connecting the dots...... GM has the ability to build a LS7 close to the same power as an LSA.... This would reduce weight up front, reduce heat, reduce heat soak.... it all depends on how you read the ZL1 information. I seem to remember reading it would never have this kind of power.....

At least that is what Flounder tells me.
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#3 said it was near maxed at current HP levels???
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#3 said it was near maxed at current HP levels???
Wasn't that the company line on the LSA

Pontiac tore T2 SCCA with the Solstice. It had to be the drivers because those engines were near maxed out at current HP when they left the factory.

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Pete, your "observations" match my "perception" of what contacts have "hinted/suggested/[fill in blanks]"...

The hood deal may just be a poor-fitting one-off pilot-piece...or...??

Wixom needs "help"...we've covered that, and Corvette's flatline emphasizes that...

4199 freakin' pounds for the ZL1?! What I suspected, but kinda disappointing at the same time...after "assurances" by some, and "flames" from others, at suggesting such "heresy" as a possible-4200 lb. result, loaded...

I'd say the "case" for a mid-$40s (priced 'tween the now-inevitable mid-$50s ZL1 and 2SS), well under-4,000 lb., with LS7 motor-vation and BOSS-bashing reflexes is stronger than ever...

But, again, what do I know?

Stay tuned...we're passing the "summer of discontent"...no likely signs of a fall harvest...we NEED a winter planting for spring blossoms and summer growth!!

How metaphoric...as opposed to EUPHORIC...

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There's at least as much "room to grow" with a 505 hp LS7 as there is with a 426 hp LS3... "Maxed" at 505? Not hardly...
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My guess is they are fighting heat soak.
Roger that Pete,...errr, I mean 2.99 , looks to me like it was a hasty modification done "on the fly" without alot of fuss or muss right then and there while they were trying something out.
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