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Old 09-12-2011, 03:29 PM   #1001
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So what % of the now ZL1 buyers will be looking for a mid $40's Z28 when the ZL1's $$,$$$. is announced?
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Old 09-12-2011, 04:23 PM   #1002
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Roger that Pete,...errr, I mean 2.99 , looks to me like it was a hasty modification done "on the fly" without alot of fuss or muss right then and there while they were trying something out.
Reminds me of the holes that were drilled in the hood for for early ZL1 testing. I like th gitr' done approach
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Old 09-12-2011, 07:34 PM   #1003
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So what % of the now ZL1 buyers will be looking for a mid $40's Z28 when the ZL1's $$,$$$. is announced?
Not this one.

It's either ZL1 or THR SS for me at this point....C'mon Chevy - price it right!! (for me )
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Old 09-12-2011, 10:28 PM   #1004
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If a Z28 was available in the next 9 months with an LS7 would that change your mind?
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Old 09-12-2011, 10:33 PM   #1005
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If a Z28 was available in the next 9 months with an LS7 would that change your mind?
It would depend how they do it. I'm addicted already to all the gadgetry and power of the ZL1....and the custom-appeal/value of the THR-SS. But if it were able to be in my driveway at the end of April...maybe. Just maybe.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:55 PM   #1006
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#2.99: The SS is not the car you are looking for.

Dragoneye: I don't want a SS.

#2.99: A Z/28 with an LS7 is the Car of your dreams.

Dragoneye: The Z/28 with an LS7 is the car of my dreams.

#2.99: Go about your business and order a Z/28.

Dragoneye: I have to call the business office and order my Z/28.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:56 PM   #1007
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#2.99: The SS is not the car you are looking for.

Dragoneye: I don't want a SS.

#2.99: A Z/28 with an LS7 is the Car of your dreams.

Dragoneye: The Z/28 with an LS7 is the car of my dreams.

#2.99: Go about your business and order a Z/28.

Dragoneye: I have to call the business office and order my Z/28.
Are you calling me weak-minded, Pete?!

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Old 09-13-2011, 06:02 PM   #1008
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Z/28 addiction is a popular model to explain automotive lust — uncontrollable urges, behaviors, or thoughts that appear extreme in frequency or feel out of one's control. Z/28 addiction, particularly with an LS7 is typically associated with lowered inhibitions, premium fuel and tire smoke and like some drugs can affect a person's social and purchasing decisions.

#2.99 exploited your lust. I had nothing to do with it.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:09 PM   #1009
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Z/28 addiction is a popular model to explain automotive lust — uncontrollable urges, behaviors, or thoughts that appear extreme in frequency or feel out of one's control. Z/28 addiction, particularly with an LS7 is typically associated with lowered inhibitions, premium fuel and tire smoke and like some drugs can affect a person's social and purchasing decisions.

#2.99 exploited your lust. I had nothing to do with it.
Fair enough.

There's no arguing with that logic...hmmm...
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:48 PM   #1010
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I'm quite entertained...please continue.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:55 AM   #1011
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You cannot equip the future Z28 with Magnetic Ride Control, MRC shock absorbers are banned in every major road racing organizations. This will be the one thing Chevrolet cannot use from the ZL1, SCCA even made Caddy change their shocks for the World Challenge. Caddy eventually went with Pratt & Miller for a bespoke rear suspension but it could be a great opportunity for a suspension company.

Anyway, don't put the MRC idea in Chevrolet's head please, people will be upset when they find out they are not eligible for stock classes and need to go up to touring, prepped or modified.. thinking they bought a track ready car while changing the shocks...

The LS7 would be perfect for the Z28 and it only weighs about 30lbs more than the LS3. If the curb weight is kept below 4000lbs (I estimate 3940lbs) then the power to weight ratio would be a healthy 7.80. You could make some of that weight back if they would ditch the 20 inch wheels, 19 inch wheels would be big enough... 18s would be better.

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Old 09-14-2011, 11:22 AM   #1012
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Pill...chill. NOT ONE of the "usual suspects", here, who express genuine buyer interest in an LS7-engined "enhanced" FE4 is demanding/seeking MR. In fact, we absolutely do NOT want it. Cost/complexity/weight reasons/implications are clearly understood, here.

As to a "track-ready" car, there's a mammoth difference between participating in an HPDE occasionally, and mixing it up with my friend Leh Keen every weekend... NO ONE is suggesting/demanding the Z/28 be a Racing Series champion "off the showroom floor"...just as Penske didn't, back in the day...

Dragoneye...repeat this mantra:

"LS7...LS7...LS7...LS7...LS7...LS7...LS7...LS7 ..."

Gawd...I'm...getting...sleepy...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.../28...
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:37 AM   #1013
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:46 AM   #1014
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Still broke, the ruptured disc and the vertebrae have intermittent contact/crushing the L5 nerve root. It was hard for them to find due to the MRI being conducted while I was lying down, contact occurs within a range of motion under 30% in either direction. Still getting injections, now with X-ray guidance and exploring future options. I do plan on running the 2012 Gumball 3000 so hopefully I can be at least 80% by then.

I had an EMG done 2 weeks ago, I have permanent nerve damage below the right knee (calf, outside ankle, top of the foot and big toe). I can still walk and drive and I will eventually start the elliptical and swimming as soon as I am cleared. I will never regain the feeling in my foot but the calf is possible. Surgery is still a last option...

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Pill...chill. NOT ONE of the "usual suspects", here, who express genuine buyer interest in an LS7-engined "enhanced" FE4 is demanding/seeking MR. In fact, we absolutely do NOT want it. Cost/complexity/weight reasons/implications are clearly understood, here.

As to a "track-ready" car, there's a mammoth difference between participating in an HPDE occasionally, and mixing it up with my friend Leh Keen every weekend... NO ONE is suggesting/demanding the Z/28 be a Racing Series champion "off the showroom floor"...just as Penske didn't, back in the day...
I know, but I started reading the "MRC is good" post on the second page and that individual knows that MRC is highly illegal. I'm not asking for it to be a champion, I am just asking for it to be eligible to compete. The ZL1 can be track ready all it wants, the Z28 will be competition ready like the Boss 302, Boss 302LS, Boss 302S and Boss 302R.
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:49 AM   #1015
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Still broke, the ruptured disc and the vertebrae intermittent contact/crushing the L5 nerve root. It was hard for them to find due to the MRI being conducted while I was lying down, contact occurs within a range of motion under 30% in either direction. Still getting injections, now with X-ray guidance and exploring future options. I do plan on running the 2012 Gumball 3000 so hopefully I can be at least 80% by then.

I had an EMG done 2 weeks ago, I have permanent nerve damage below the right knee (calf, outside ankle, top of the foot and big toe). I can still walk and drive and I will eventually start the elliptical and swimming as soon as I am cleared. I will never regain the feeling in my foot but the calf is possible. Surgery is still a last option...

I know, but I started reading the "MRC is good" post on the second page and that individual knows that MRC is highly illegal. I'm not asking for it to be a champion, I am just asking for it to be eligible to compete.
That doesn't sound good. We keep you in our prayers.
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I know, but I started reading the "MRC is good" post on the second page and that individual knows that MRC is highly illegal. I'm not asking for it to be a champion, I am just asking for it to be eligible to compete. The ZL1 can be track ready all it wants, the Z28 will be competition ready like the Boss 302, Boss 302LS, Boss 302S and Boss 302R.
Actually, MR IS "good"...really good. It's simply (?!) a complex expensive weighty electronic assist (some would say band-aid) that us "old school" Keep It Simple Stupid folks would prefer to see unattached to our vision of a weight- and cost-sensitive Z/28...

Here's hopin' you feel better soon...
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That doesn't sound good. We keep you in our prayers.
If I do make the Gumball, throw me some decals and I can advertise for you (for free) from LA to NY. They need to be silver to match the Gumball decals. Evertime I get pulled over I make Youtube Don't worry about me, I have always made it through whatever comes my way...
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Actually, MR IS "good"...really good. It's simply (?!) a complex expensive weighty electronic assist (some would say band-aid) that us "old school" Keep It Simple Stupid folks would prefer to see unattached to our vision of a weight- and cost-sensitive Z/28...

Here's hopin' you feel better soon...
I know it is good, just as good as ABS vs. no ABS however, it needs to be competitive and able to compete. ZL1 owners will be disappointed if they indeed intend to race, no need to spread that disappointment to the Z28. They are gonna be really let down when they see the SCCA's take on superchargers.

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Old 09-14-2011, 06:17 PM   #1018
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If memory serves....the Camaro is doing quite well competing in sanctioned/recognized racing events...and there's no ZL1 OR Z28 model...I'd tend to believe both of these are tailored to the recreational racer...versus the professional one.

With regards to MR, since it was brought up - On a hypothetical Z28, I'd like to see it as an available option. Much like the GS Corvette offers.
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MR, as an option, will allow the Base Z/28 the opportunity to maintain/achieve a more realistic starting price-point. For those who might truly use it as a DD, it might be a worthy consideration. Since the ZL1 features it, adding the option to a ZEE would not be an onerous task.

But a "competent" enhanced FE4 is mandatory...for a starting point.
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MR, as an option, will allow the Base Z/28 the opportunity to maintain/achieve a more realistic starting price-point. For those who might truly use it as a DD, it might be a worthy consideration. Since the ZL1 features it, adding the option to a ZEE would not be an onerous task.

But a "competent" enhanced FE4 is mandatory...for a starting point.
Well...yeaa-ahh...otherwise we could just buy a '12 SS...
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...competent enhanced FE4...and that-there EL ESS SEBEN en-gine, 'n some HD tidbits to whoa/corner with...
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:10 PM   #1022
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What are your thoughts?

I'd buy one factory built now!
I would definitely trade in my SS if it had an LS7
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...competent enhanced FE4...and that-there EL ESS SEBEN en-gine, 'n some HD tidbits to whoa/corner with...
I remember a wise statement from some time ago...

Paraphrase: "It's easier to take parts off a car, than it is to add them"

So to take the already precisely-engineered, track-ready ZL1...drop the LSA, drop the interior appointments/options. Transfer the MR to an option...and spend some R&D to substitute an LS7....

That leaves a bullet-proof powertrain, track-focused accessories (like brake and powertrain cooling), aero, tires, and an all-business character...

It seems easy enough when we type it out here....over and over and over again.

Now...will they do it?
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I remember a wise statement from some time ago...

Paraphrase: "It's easier to take parts off a car, than it is to add them"

So to take the already precisely-engineered, track-ready ZL1...drop the LSA, drop the interior appointments/options. Transfer the MR to an option...and spend some R&D to substitute an LS7....

That leaves a bullet-proof powertrain, track-focused accessories (like brake and powertrain cooling), aero, tires, and an all-business character...

It seems easy enough when we type it out here....over and over and over again.

Now...will they do it?
I hope they will do it! You did the large version of my avatar pic four or five years ago with Z/28 emblems on it and I'm STILL waiting for one. And no, the eventual ZL1 (while awesome in it's own right) did not fit the bill for what I think a Z/28 should be.
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