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Old 08-22-2011, 04:57 PM   #834
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The quieter the better. Speaking of which, I did have a very interesting conversation today

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Old 08-22-2011, 07:54 PM   #835
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I'm liZZening...
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:07 PM   #836
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And then......
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:12 AM   #837
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Very interesting???
I mentioned, earlier, about ascertaining Wixom capacities. Keep in mind they currently build "dry" LS3s, LS7s, and LS9s, along with the "customer build" engine option for Corvettes. These numbers were shared:

High-water mark - approx. 10,000 units, total, including "crate"

2010 - approx. 5,700, total

2011 - approx. 4,700 "built and forecasted"

"Have you heard anything regarding a 'special Z/28' engine?"

[ A wide range of answers, from blank stares, to "No", to "What's that?", to "We always look forward to more opportunities..." ]

"Would 5,000 'extra' LS7s be something you could handle, from a labor point of view?"

"Gladly!"

"Any firm plans regarding Next-Gen engines for Wixom?"

"None that we've had confirmed..."

Pencils ready? Draw your own conclusions...

BTW, GM Powertrain/Corvette Racing uses space, elsewhere, in the same complex...

So does GM Liquidation... I'd hate to think that is a harbinger of things to come for Wixom...

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Old 08-23-2011, 12:00 PM   #838
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I mentioned, earlier, about ascertaining Wixom capacities. Keep in mind they currently build "dry" LS3s, LS7s, and LS9s, along with the "customer build" engine option for Corvettes. These numbers were shared:

High-water mark - approx. 10,000 units, total, including "crate"

2010 - approx. 5,700, total

2011 - approx. 4,700 "built and forecasted"

"Have you heard anything regarding a 'special Z/28' engine?"

[ A wide range of answers, from blank stares, to "No", to "What's that?", to "We always look forward to more opportunities..." ]

"Would 5,000 'extra' LS7s be something you could handle, from a labor point of view?"

"Gladly!"

"Any firm plans regarding Next-Gen engines for Wixom?"

"None that we've had confirmed..."

Pencils ready? Draw your own conclusions...

BTW, GM Powertrain/Corvette Racing uses space, elsewhere, in the same complex...

So does GM Liquidation... I'd hate to think that is a harbinger of things to come for Wixom...
We need more then 5,000 per year. I would like to see at least 15% of Camaro Sales be Z28's.

Some of you may not agree and bring up that the Boss is a limited edition car, but the Z28 means something to a lot of people and I feel all of us deserve the chance to have one instead of fighting each other for one.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:12 PM   #839
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5,000 "as a minimum" is my thought as to being a "buildable Business Case". 'Course, what do I know?!

At least Wixom has the ability, and the "interest", to facilitate "at least" that number...assuming, of course, a "Z/28" requires a Wixom-built "bullet"...which we ALL know it does!

From my observations, Thursday, there is physical room in that complex for several more "stations"...and the talent, no doubt, exists as well to man those stations...
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:23 PM   #840
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5,000 "as a minimum" is my thought as to being a "buildable Business Case". 'Course, what do I know?!
At least Wixom has the ability, and the "interest", to facilitate "at least" that number...assuming, of course, a "Z/28" requires a Wixom-built "bullet"...which we ALL know it does!

From my observations, Thursday, there is physical room in that complex for several more "stations"...and the talent, no doubt, exists as well to man those stations...
Judging by your posts, more than the average bear
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:38 PM   #841
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Pete, you sweet-talker, you...

BTW, in our lil cadre of characters, Saturday at 43700 Woodward in bucolic Bloomfield Hills, was a Meadow Brook Concours-winning '69 Camaro COPO 9561... Oh, my!!
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:43 PM   #842
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Pete, you sweet-talker, you...

BTW, in our lil cadre of characters, Saturday at 43700 Woodward in bucolic Bloomfield Hills, was a Meadow Brook Concours-winning '69 Camaro COPO 9561... Oh, my!!
Pictures????
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:49 PM   #843
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Remember I said I forgot to take my camera into Wixom?

Truth is...I forgot the damn thing @ home... Where's my dunce hat?! But "others" took some, so I await their forwarding...impatiently...

I can tell you, when the big-dark clouds rolled in, he wasn't long in covering the COPO up...!!

Another buddy, who owns the long-ago-built-by-Hot Rod TV screamin' Yella with Purple leather '32 highboy powered by an Opti-Spark'd LT1, had the ignition fail from the thought of rain...true story...

BTW, your buddy Bob Kern made an appearance, as well...

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Old 08-23-2011, 12:57 PM   #844
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Mr. Kern is a class act!
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:59 PM   #845
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Gen-you-wine deal...and "dealer"...as you know.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:00 PM   #846
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One more Mr. Kern note. When Bob wears a suit or sport coat, he proudly wears his Pontiac Arrowhead with a #3 on it. That is from back-in-the-day when Pontiac was the third largest volume brand in the USA.
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The "group", as far as GM affiliation, was largely Pontiac-"susperienced", including Mr. PHS Jim Mattison, who showed with his concours-quality double-Black 3-deuce '65 GeeTO but adios'd before the monsoon.

NO shop-talk...just frosty-pops, BBQ, great chow, and grins...a lot like this... ...and a lot of 'em!

'Course hangin' on to FOUR 10 X 10 canopies...and a 30' trailer canopy...in a downpour...with 40+ mph winds...while thunder and lightening "entertained" us...made the frosty-pops "ineffective" for a lil while...

Bob was wearin' his usual leather sombrero.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:19 PM   #848
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UPDATE:
NO ONE...in any capacity...at Wixom...or the Chev display...wanted to talk about a "possible Z/28"...rumors abound, but no "insight"..."hints", kinda-sorta, but nothing to hang your hat on...

Sorry...but sometimes, no news is GOOD NEWS... NO ONE denied it, either...
What you said speaks volumes and perfectly fits, albeit circumstantially. Inferences and educated guesses can be made from the tiny morsels of information we have so far to conclude it's a go. There's been no denial. I like the can't confirm or deny...hummina hummina hummina...change the subject, talk around the issue responses. That leads creadence to people having knowledge and deniability of such knowledge. They are working on something...another shell game, cloak and daggers, smoke and mirrors, muuuhaaaahaaha...another episode of Chevy Sherlock Holmes....
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I did NOT talk with any of the current Camaro Team folks in the Birmingham display about "Z/28s"...not that any outright answers would (yet) be forthcoming.

Camaro Trivia: The abovementioned Jim Mattison, as a GM Institute intern, spring-'69, worked with Vince Piggins, shuffling paper in the COPO office for 427 Camaros and Chevelles...and was going out with a Chev dealer's daughter, who got him to order all of "Daddy's" COPO inventory... Some guys have ALL the luck!
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:30 PM   #850
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We need more then 5,000 per year. I would like to see at least 15% of Camaro Sales be Z28's.

Some of you may not agree and bring up that the Boss is a limited edition car, but the Z28 means something to a lot of people and I feel all of us deserve the chance to have one instead of fighting each other for one.


Limit this car and have the dealers mark it up big time. I thought the $50,000++++ Camaro was in another thread.

Go to dealer to order the Z/28.
Talk to sales manager: "Why yes Mr. Wykoff our dealership is getting one Z/28 and the updated bid is $20,000 over sticker, would you like to go $25,000?"
I politely tell him to ESAD and leave.


More cars = more $$$$$$$$$$$$.
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