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Old 08-26-2011, 09:40 PM   #902
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So...purely speculatively-speaking...can I answer with another question?
Will the Z28 be priced appropriately?

Joe, I hoping between $45 and $50K depending on options. GM shouldn't have any problem building and making a profit with those numbers.

They have the car (1SS) and the parts should come off the shelf and from Pedders.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:49 PM   #903
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Joe, I hoping between $45 and $50K depending on options. GM shouldn't have any problem building and making a profit with those numbers.

They have the car (1SS) and the parts should come off the shelf and from Pedders.
PEDDERS?! How'd THEY sneak in here?! Oh yeah...the original premise from oh sooo l o n g ago...

New equation:

1SS (with a few bits from an LS) + wet LS7 + CTS-V stuff + (ZL1?) Forged/R-rated (as opposed to X-rated?) rolling stock + Pedders-enhanced FE4 = a promotion for the guys/gals with the guts/backing/confidence/numbers to see it built...

Gee, no wonder I did so poorly in math equations...

As to $45-or-so, there is NO reason to sell it for LESS (competitively speaking), and there is NO reason GM will NOT sell all they can make. Period.

Nice double negative, no?!
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:01 PM   #904
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It's definitely NOT slipped their minds.....just be careful to avoid "well-placed emails" becoming "badgering messages"...
This, folks, is SOUND ADVICE.

IF you correspond with "anyone" at the "RenCen", be polite and professional, with a pinch of humility...and a HUGE DOSE of "I'm ready to BUY an LS7'd Z/28!" enthusiasm.



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Old 08-26-2011, 10:58 PM   #905
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:02 AM   #906
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Well no Z28 for me. I bought this instead. Maybe by the time it comes out I will have $ fund built back up.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:04 AM   #907
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Well no Z28 for me. I bought this instead. Maybe by the time it comes out I will have $ fund built back up.


That looks like a $$$ making machine.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:08 AM   #908
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That looks like a $$$ making machine.
Yes they can be if done right.. My side job so to speak. My last one paid for it's self several times over, but was getting up there in hours. So since there is no Z28 I went for the upgrade.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:14 AM   #909
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:27 AM   #910
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That funny.. I used some hugger orange on my old one after welding on some bucket hooks (had some on hand). It was just a few shades off, but suprised how close it realy was. O.K. back to the Z28....
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:25 PM   #911
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Well no Z28 for me. I bought this instead. Maybe by the time it comes out I will have $ fund built back up.
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I'm no expert on earth moving equipment but I suspect that it won't be as fast as a Z28.
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"OLD SCHOOL"?!

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Will the new Z/28 be limited like the Boss, and will there be a rear seat delete option?
What are your opinions?
Most certainly by it's very nature it would be limited I imagine, and I hope we have delete options. I would suggest we can delete more. It's fanciful thoughts, and GM wouldn't do it, but being "old school" I would not mind having manual windows, door locks, and manual seats etc., or other non performance ammenties taken off the menu to save weight. It's a pure bred race car, stiff, harsh, and Millenium Falcon fast. I wouldn't need SatNav, moonroof, or leather. Now, the kick arse radio,..wellll, is a must! .
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Dragoneye, "appropriate pricing" is in the eye of the buyer...AND GM...

BOSSes from $42-48K leaves a "sweet spot" for Z/28 pricing to play within...'tween 2SS and ZL1...with performance close to a ZL1, especially 'round a track, as Pete astutely notes. And that spread allows for a carefully-optioned and -featured 1SS with an LS7, a suitably upgraded "old school" "enhanced FE4" suspension, HD brakes/driveline components, and weight-saving, handling-assisting measures like forged wheels and Z (or R) -rated rubber for supreme gription (my favorite recent word...).

Like the BOSS, and complementing Wixom's "wishes" and "capacities", 5,000 units would frankly be the tip of the iceberg...with NO Titanic downside...

Sorry for the metaphors, but you get the gist...right?

NOW...do "they" get the gist?!

Get those card 'n letters (and e-mails) going! Vote with your wallets, folks!

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Some of you may have noticed I changed my "sig"... Feel free to "copy and paste" it to your notes, but you might just delete the "broken record"...or NOT as the case may be. There will be NO copyright infringement, and NO royalites to pay!
Good post as usual Lowdown, we get the gist, I surmise they do as well. Keep beating the drum, it's not a broken record.
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The ZL1 will be a road course animal. GM and Chevrolet are absolutely committed to that. They have ramped up thier validation to make certain the car will shine at a HPDEs or open track time.

If there is a Z/28 and if they build it as we have discussed in this thread the Z/28 would be a better car on a road course defined by -- less weight up front, less heat soak (NA vs FI) and a wheel and tire package that is designed for optimal cornering at the expense of ride quality.

In terms of technology, the ZL1 is state-of-the-art. The Z/28 would be old school, because that is what the enthusiasts in this thread want.
Bravo. Hopefully we won't have to keep trying to convince anyone besides ourselves it can be done by the fall of 2013.
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Conversations with people led me to more closely look at the changes they made to the vehicle, and estimate the costs incurred. These "people" also have a very calibrated guestimator on their shoulders...

When a company in the business of making money wants to introduce a new product to a specific, limited audience - one of the few ways to justify it in a business case is the increased profit over an existing product.

As I see the options...the Boss doesn't do that. Or else if it does - it's marginal at best. Meaning (to me), that Ford values the marketing effect of the Boss enough to justify the development costs. I heard that the Boss will only be produced for 2 MYs, as well...if this is true...then it would seem to support my guesses.

That's why I asked about Z28 price. GM would probably be inclined to charge more to justify it, because they already have the Camaro AND Corvette for their 'mystique'.
It's nice to hear you have an inside "hook" Joe......GM knows how to make a profit, even if they sold widgets. In this case the ZL1 is the item they want to make profit on. Once it does, so then goes the Z28. It's a matter of when we get the Z28, not if.
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I believe there is little to no weight savings in dropping todays power windows and power locks. However power seats yes.
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Well no Z28 for me. I bought this instead. Maybe by the time it comes out I will have $ fund built back up.
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Ya know, I see some similarities to a Pedderized Zee...

No Sunroof
Manual Trans
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Adjustable Rear
Adjustable Steering

However, I think the tire stagger is off a wee bit...and they don't look like R-compounds... And I believe it may be missin' a cylinder or two...
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LMAO.. It may be slow, but no jack man needed for tire changes.
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Ya know, I see some similarities to a Pedderized Zee...

No Sunroof
Manual Trans
Adjustable Front End
Adjustable Rear
Adjustable Steering

However, I think the tire stagger is off a wee bit...and they don't look like R-compounds... And I believe it may be missin' a cylinder or two...


FYI: I have been posting less frequently. The reasons are all good. SEMA projects are in high gear. Other Special Projects are taking up more time as well. This thread brings special focus to a very special vehicle. The LS7 belongs in a Z/28. The 5th Gen should have a Z/28.



Yesterday I decided to spend a day at a retail Pedders shop. We did a 5th Gen Track II. The alignment is unique to this 5th Gen. It has OE wheels and tires.

Front
Camber -1.6
Toe .50 OUT
Added a degree of Castor

Rear
Camber 0
Toe IN .05

The test drive was on public roadways so we did not explore the limits. The car is very well balanced. Our new client is going to have fun looking for understeer. I am sure he can find it... if he looks hard enough.



I really like to do retail installs because I get to see first hand how genuinely passionate our Camaro enthusiasts are. My shop day was strictly suspension. I cannot imagine how thrilled a client would be to take delivery of a LS7 Z/28 from GM. If Pedders were to have a small role in a project like this I can't imagine how excited I would be to see the face of the very first Z/28 owner.
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Pete, excellent post!
And yes receiving an LS7/Z28 would be beyond words. Add Pedders and you'd see grown men faint.
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