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Old 08-13-2012, 09:31 PM   #1901
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...since we got buried in the basement on the C5 site I had to save this old familar, woosah, friendly location to my favorite places browser....like jumping through hoops of fire to get here without a shortcut.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:00 PM   #1902
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Yeah No Joke, why did they even rearrange the sub-forums? I thought this one was deleted!!
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:12 PM   #1903
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It could end up being a blessing that this section is a tiny bit harder to find.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:42 PM   #1904
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It could end up being a blessing that this section is a tiny bit harder to find.
Why do you say that?
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:55 PM   #1905
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...less of a chance that the impulsive idiots will find us.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:20 AM   #1906
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...less of a chance that the impulsive idiots will find us.

I'm sure a few will still wander in.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:03 PM   #1907
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What doesn't make any sense is how the ZL1 isn't in the specific model section.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:10 PM   #1908
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What doesn't make any sense is how the ZL1 isn't in the specific model section.
Yeah I don't get that either.
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My take is...no Z/28 until the new model. Ichschnay on the Z28 talksay.....( we've been moved to the back page) No stage 2 for the ZL1, we now have 1LE SS upgrade <closest thing to the Z/28 we are going to see>, and the Carbon ZL1 edition is to come out somewhere not yet announced....then the carrage is going to turn into the pumpkin. I do not think GM has the stomach to pursue ambitious goals in a smaller niche market such as high performance cars. MY 14 wil be the only opportunity for "change" in an escalation of the horsepower war with the current design, sumarily I feel complacancy will substitute competition. Just my gut feeling.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:15 PM   #1910
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Me either.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:21 PM   #1911
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My take is...no Z/28 until the new model. Ichschnay on the Z28 talksay.....( we've been moved to the back page) No stage 2 for the ZL1, we now have 1LE SS upgrade <closest thing to the Z/28 we are going to see>, and the Carbon ZL1 edition is to come out somewhere not yet announced....then the carrage is going to turn into the pumpkin. I do not think GM has the stomach to pursue ambitious goals in a smaller niche market such as high performance cars. MY 14 wil be the only opportunity for "change" in an escalation of the horsepower war with the current design, sumarily I feel complacancy will substitute competition. Just my gut feeling.
GM will need something to excite buyers especially when the new Mustang shows up. Notice how the game is played; GM introduces the ZL1, Ford introduces the most powerful production V8 ever. Ford introduces their newly redesigned Mustang, GM will trump it with the Z**.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:27 AM   #1912
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From what I can see they build the concepts with the parts they know will work and drivetrains and upgrades that get people excited. They don't want to spend a lot of time on a car if they're not sure how it's going to be recieved. If it gets a good reaction, like with the 1LE, they put more effort into putting it into production. It's also cool that this site gets a small part in the process. After the 1LE was shown at SEMA FBODFATHER asked us if we would like to see it built. I guess there was enough of a positive response that we ended up with what we see now. Truthfully they were probably already hard at work on making the 1LE when he asked but I'm sure some of the feedback was used. They really nailed the pricepoint by eliminating the magnetic ride and even the ZL1 brakes which a lot of us wish was an option. Who knows, if enough people feel the brakes are lacking they might make it a future option. It doesn't hurt to ask.
There was hope that the SSX concept could be sold as a club racer. Unfortunately the perceived value of the SSX by prospective buyers was far less than the cost to build them. That pretty much put an end to the concept.
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Is the 1LE pretty close to a SSX?
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:19 PM   #1914
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Is the 1LE pretty close to a SSX?
The SSX is a fully caged completely stripped club racer so my answer would be no.
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:55 PM   #1915
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Yeah No Joke, why did they even rearrange the sub-forums? I thought this one was deleted!!
Yeah- I thought the entire Z28 section got deleted too when I didn't see it right away. I don't chat much, but do stop by here from time to time to see what I can learn. The regulars here do know alot about camaros.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:21 PM   #1916
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The SSX is a fully caged completely stripped club racer so my answer would be no.
I guess my thoughts were that the car basically was set up like a club racer version of the 1LE.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:28 PM   #1917
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still think the 5Gen is too heavy to have a Z28? Take a look at the link.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244390
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:21 AM   #1918
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,,,saw a short blurb on cable today, I believe it said CEO Ackerson stated GM was breaking up US "fifedoms" and relinguishing previously made US Corporate decisons to a more global scale. There goes more US control and ultimately jobs, overseas.
Read it here...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...fiefdoms-.html
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Old 08-18-2012, 01:32 AM   #1919
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The ONLY place GM will do a truck in in the USA. The current GM T900 range of pickups and SUVs can ONLY be built in the USA. Large sedan fall into the same category with the trucks and Muscle cars. Small cars should be done in Korea. Look at the success GM is having with the Sonic and I expect the same with the Spark. The styling was done in Korea by the GM TEAM there. The engineering, you can read about my friend John Buttermore in the new Corvette / Sonic ads. The Sonic is joint project. These are at the extremes of vehicle segments, but make the point. Design vehicle where people have the greatest passion for them AND live with them every day. Th designed in Korea Sonic is built in MICHIGAN.

What the CEO is talking about is corporate politics and BS. The Cruze does not need a different control arm for every plant it is built in around the globe. In the old GM, if you didn't design it it was no good. That is the argument that the prince of a fiefdom would make and then spend HUGE dollars to put his imprint on the vehicle. There was no positive ROI generated by these actions. GM is headed down the right road. There are so many good people at GM that are passionate about the company and products it would be a disgrace if the new GM culture doesn't embrace them and prosper. I see no jobs leaving the USA over the changes the CEO presented. The result should be improved culture, improved product and improved profitability.
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Pete hypothetically let's say GM puts the same 1LE suspension on the Z28. How would you enhance it and/or the 1LE? Thanks.
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Pete hypothetically let's say GM puts the same 1LE suspension on the Z28. How would you enhance it and/or the 1LE? Thanks.
They are running monotubes on the 1LE We would run Supercars with independent bound and rebound adjustment as well as height adjustment, a full bush kit, bars, links, 19x10.5" Forgeline wheels with 305/30/19/XL Bridgestone RE-11s, upgrade the front calipers to 6 pots with two piece rotors and a special compound race pad and rudimentary brake ducts.

RWHP would come from a ARH to exhaust coated inside and out, then wrapped, pull the toaster covers off the engine with the sound deadner on the plenum for thermal management and a Mike Norris tune. If we went a step further heads and cam. It has to have an oil cooler with -12 lines and a diff cooler as well.

To mount the five point harnesses we use a hoop that bolts to the seat belt bolts and through bolted to the floor with a removable cross bar. There are a handful of suspension parts we have in development that I may want to add as well.

The off the showroom floor 1LE handles the BOSS. Can you imagine what this would do to a BOSS all day long
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...ok, so what do we say if...there is no power mod made to the ZL1 until the new Gen arrives, the 1LE get's nothing more than a suspension tweak, and there is no Z/28 until the new model comes? That's what I'm feeling...guys?
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...ok, so what do we say if...there is no power mod made to the ZL1 until the new Gen arrives, the 1LE get's nothing more than a suspension tweak, and there is no Z/28 until the new model comes? That's what I'm feeling...guys?
Why would the ZL1 have anything to do with the Z/28? The cars target a different buyer within the Camaro, Muscle Car segment. They can live side by side. The down side is the price of the Z/28 will be higher than what many are hoping for.
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