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Old 08-22-2012, 06:02 PM   #1976
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They've made a TON of $$$$$ on the 5Gen!
I bet they have and that's why I think there won't be a 5th gen Z/28. There is no incentive for them to release one. There is no way to do it that GM is willing to. Using the LS3 would make it more of an SS update package and using the LSA would not make sense. The LS7 is either too expensive for them to give the green light or they don't want to step on the toes of the Vette guys.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:58 PM   #1977
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Do you think the new Mustang will arrive without a hi-po model? That seems a stretch to me....
Yes, there'll be a hipo version.

662 hp-worth?

No.

Interestingly, it'll have IRS...and likely be a 100 or 2 lighter...
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:18 PM   #1978
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Your point is moot...

Next-Gen Mustang to arrive April/14...on Stang's 50th Anniversary...as you stated.

IF (cap's/italix'd) our long-overdue Gen-5 Camaro Z(/)28 arrives, it will need to arrive prior to April/14, as the Gen-6 Camaro will bow, mid-'15...a year, roughly, after the renewed Stang. And my supposition is, Camaro would need at least TWO full production years to make the Business Case viable...

As to what would be a "bigger deal", BOTH will be BIG deals...and the magazine cover stories will bear that out.
Also, what a story it would be if GM's Z28 built on an older platform with an older engine outperforms anything Ford can build, on the track.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:24 PM   #1979
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Yes, there'll be a hipo version.

662 hp-worth?

No.

Interestingly, it'll have IRS...and likely be a 100 or 2 lighter...
Hopefully GM is taking these into account for the 6th Gen.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:47 PM   #1980
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1. If GM builds the best 6th Gen they can based on GM powertrain and chassis technology they need not pay any attention to what Ford or any other company does. GM should lead and not follow.

2. The Z/28 does not need to turn a profit. It needs to move iron and not lose money. If the Z/28 can keep the utilization above the magical BE in the final year of production the line makes money even if the car doesn't.
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1. If GM builds the best 6th Gen they can based on GM powertrain and chassis technology they need not pay any attention to what Ford or any other company does. GM should lead and not follow.

2. The Z/28 does not need to turn a profit. It needs to move iron and not lose money. If the Z/28 can keep the utilization above the magical BE in the final year of production the line makes money even if the car doesn't.
Pete, we stand behind those ideas, no doubt. But is there the will within to do so, because they can, or will it be a cost versus effort situation? I'm for the "show 'em what we can do" philosophy, like I perceive you to be as well. But, since the General is on the move with cafe and restructuring on the event horizon, can the Team again be given the opportunity, resources, and decision making to carry on and bring in the Z/28 that we have been clamoring for? It's there for the taking. We believe it can be done. In the end, it's up to the powers to be.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:05 PM   #1982
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1. If GM builds the best 6th Gen they can based on GM powertrain and chassis technology they need not pay any attention to what Ford or any other company does. GM should lead and not follow.

2. The Z/28 does not need to turn a profit. It needs to move iron and not lose money. If the Z/28 can keep the utilization above the magical BE in the final year of production the line makes money even if the car doesn't.

If GM builds it is a big if. I think the Z/28 that was laid out here was a pretty solid car. It uses existing parts to keep costs down but they didn't build it. From what LOWDOWN says, it seems like they won't either.
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They will have to do something to stay competitive with an aging product. They will have to do something to strongly market themselves. They'll have to do something powerful like Ford did to fight against the ZL1. They'll IMO have to make the Z28.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:28 PM   #1984
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They will have to do something to stay competitive with an aging product. They will have to do something to strongly market themselves. They'll have to do something powerful like Ford did to fight against the ZL1. They'll IMO have to make the Z28.
They will probably release more special editions that have no performance upgrades.
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The betting window is open. I'll take all bets, my $2 USD to your $1 USD that there will be performance upgrades to the 5th Gen
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:40 AM   #1986
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The betting window is open. I'll take all bets, my $2 USD to your $1 USD that there will be performance upgrades to the 5th Gen
I'd take that bet but I'm poor right now trying to rebuild my Chevelle's front suspension.
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lol so the car is going to have 2 engines? ooops read to fast corrected....ps the ls7 is to expensive for them to mass produce it probably aint going to happen
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lol so the car is going to have 2 engines? ooops read to fast corrected....ps the ls7 is to expensive for them to mass produce it probably aint going to happen
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lol so the car is going to have 2 engines? ooops read to fast corrected....ps the ls7 is to expensive for them to mass produce it probably aint going to happen
WOW!!! How privilaged we are to have your first post here in the Z28 threads. Please go now find other ares of the forum to post your next few hundred post.
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The betting window is open. I'll take all bets, my $2 USD to your $1 USD that there will be performance upgrades to the 5th Gen
....how about dollars to donuts...just sayin'....
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They will probably release more special editions that have no performance upgrades.
...like Pete says, we ain't givin up yet.....it's been a step by step process....enhancement wise. I at times see the glass half empty. We have those here who see an over abundance with optomism. I'll take comfort in the latter.
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...like Pete says, we ain't givin up yet.....it's been a step by step process....enhancement wise. I at times see the glass half empty. We have those here who see an over abundance with optomism. I'll take comfort in the latter.
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Though not very specific, Al o's interview with Autoline was very encouraging. He stated that they still weren't done with the fifth gen and that he was going to enjoy seeing Ford release the next gen Mustang first.
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It's always better to compete when you know the competition. Didn't the NE Patriots do that for years(?)
GM will have to be competitive with the aging Camaro...special things will be done or they will just need to fire both the marketing and development departments.
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It's always better to compete when you know the competition. Didn't the NE Patriots do that for years(?)
GM will have to be competitive with the aging Camaro...special things will be done or they will just need to fire both the marketing and development departments.
....haha, the Pat's used spys and took notes.....Belichick is no dummy..., however the NFL frowned upon that activity . Agreed about the firings. Why sit back, play hide and seek, and wait and see? Be proactive, take the intitiative, and design something on a clean sheet of paper that is ground breaking where the competition has to climb the hill to counterattack.
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I have a hard time seeing GM making a Z28 for just one year. The 2013s are almost out and 2015 brings the 6th gen....according to the rumars.
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I have a hard time seeing GM making a Z28 for just one year. The 2013s are almost out and 2015 brings the 6th gen....according to the rumars.
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How many special models has Chevy released for the 5th Gen since the 2010 arrived? Nothing new for three models years is a very long time.
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Joe drove the 1LE, and gave quite a magnificent write up. In his ending, he wrote words to the effect addresing Camaro Z/28 hopefulls that there are enough power levels and models available where a Z/28 may not be needed at this time. Thats my 02. It may be a harbinger.
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Joe drove the 1LE, and gave quite a magnificent write up. In his ending, he wrote words to the effect addresing Camaro Z/28 hopefulls that there are enough power levels and models available where a Z/28 may not be needed at this time. Thats my 02. It may be a harbinger.
Joe is no longer on the forum. He disappeared with Dragoneye at C5FEST III. Some wanker called Mr. Wyndham claims to be him How much faith can you put in what a guy with a monocle that, eats crumpets and sticks out his pinkie to drink tea?

There is no way we'll go from here to the release of a 2016 Camaro without changes and that includes power-train.
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