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Old 10-27-2011, 07:11 PM   #1361
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http://www.gingermanraceway.com/

It is a very good suspension and brake track. Highly technical. A lot of OEM work goes on there for the same reasons I like to use it. LOTS of runoff so you don't hurt the driver or the car when testing setups. Even Gingerman will bite you. I was running in a G8 base-lining the OE setup. Warmed up and ran one hot lap. Cooled down came in and checked everything. Looks good. Wait an hour to cool and run again. Three hot laps. Check again. All is good. Wait another hour and run again. It is all OE so caution is the rule. On my second hot lap running down the back straight wide open with a hard turn to the right down the front straight. Hit the brakes -- what brakes???? Uh oh. Cement wall straight ahead. Knowing the track really helps when things go wrong. just a bit to the left dumps to the pit area and then a parking lot. Good thing there as plenty of run off. The rear pads had disintegrated leaving nothing but OE backing plate to the rotors.
Familiar with the track...One Lap of America in 2000 ran 4 events there. Nice facility, and South Haven is a great spot in the summer.

Yeah, 12 mph is BIG! How did the lap times compare?
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:33 PM   #1362
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Pete, what color is the Ligenfelter L/28 painted?
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:43 PM   #1363
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Pete, what color is the Ligenfelter L/28 painted?
Crystal Red.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:04 PM   #1364
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BIG lumpy-azz idle

592 / 530 from memory. With all the SEMA stuff going on don't get mad if I am off a bit.
I love that kind of idle!! That's one thing I really miss on many of today's high performance engines.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:02 PM   #1365
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Actually, you can emulate that ruppata-ruppata idle with a fairly mild cam lift...and a very tight LDA...but it's murder on your power brakes...ask me!! My Stage 1 has an idle like that, and I have to slow down/stop with the Automagic in Neutral...gulp! But she sounds bitchin'!! Not often challenged...
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Old 10-29-2011, 10:20 AM   #1366
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So You Wanna Build An LS7?!

Snagged from another thread, here, follow along an engine build @ Wixom Performance Build Center...

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/55966/ali...-build-center/

The Open House, back in August, was a must-attend affair. Glad I got to see it, firsthand.

EDIT:

This just in from GM Media..."Build your own LS7 or LS9"...without buying a Vette!

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...27_enginebuild

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Old 10-31-2011, 07:23 PM   #1367
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Let's see...

LT? Check...

RS? Check...

SS? Check...

Pace Cars? Check...

Anniversary Editions? Check...

ZL1? Check...

1LE? Check...

COPO? Check...

That leaves...Berlinetta (a good name for a Dusk version)...hmmm, any other "heritage" names, missing?

Oh yeah...where's the FREAKIN' Z/28?!
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:20 PM   #1368
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YES! Where is it?!
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:01 PM   #1369
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Oh yeah...where's the FREAKIN' Z/28?!
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YES! Where is it?!
Time will tell my Z brothers,

I believe this time next year these Z/28 threads are going to explode.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:37 PM   #1370
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Berlinetta (a good name for a Dusk version)
and give it a TTV6
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:29 PM   #1371
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1LE? Check...

COPO? Check...

Oh yeah...where's the FREAKIN' Z/28?!
What I find interesting, is that the 1LE concept doesn't really follow the original 1LE philosophy of a stripped performance model...but it IS designed for a road course, without a doubt. One of the prerequisites in this thread for a Z28...

And the COPO dragster is race-oriented with a 427....also something demanded in here.


You ever get the feeling they're toying with us?

In all honesty, and I'm sure this won't be well-recieved...In my very humble, and personal opinion - I think the closest we're going to get to a Z28 as requested in here is the 1LE concept at SEMA...basically a "grand sport" Camaro - to draw a metaphor with Corvette...

It's parts-bin, thus relatively inexpensive to develop (and charge), and effective....I can tell you if the car were in the showroom today, I'd consider it strongly...
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:41 AM   #1372
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I was at the GM SEMA unveil party tonight. The COPO Drag Camaro does not have a 427, yet. A 'revised' motor is in development. Hmmmmm....
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:01 AM   #1373
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COPO, if approved (and Dr. Jamie seems to be spearheading this one), will likely have more than one or two engines "certified" to cover more than one or two NHRA classes. The SEMA example has a Whippled 5.3 (327), with an n/a LS7 on the "to do" list...

I like the 20129562 Part # though...2012 as Model Year, 9562 as a continuation of the '69 COPO's 9560 and 9561...

Dragoneye, as you state, 1LE is a "parts bin special"...but the LS7 is in that same parts bin. As I've said, elsewhere, 1LE/LS3 = BOSS price (low $40s), 1LE/LS7 = BOSS LS price (upper $40s).

Hey, if they're going to "cover" the GT500, the Cobra Jet, offer several "specials" with stripes 'n trim 'n such, then why not cover BOTH BOSSes?! And we know it can be done. Instead of pestering GM for a drag-only, on-a-bill-of-sale-only COPO, why not go after them to build what is STILL obviously MIA?! In TWO flavors, ala BOSS?!

Is there a more deserving nameplate, with a more deserving mission?
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:44 AM   #1374
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It also seems readily apparent the Team is interested in spreading the development co$t$ of MRC 3.0 by applying that technology to other (possible) Models. Witness 1LE's use of it. So, seeing a "Pedderized FE4" (one of the original premises of this longstanding thread) seems "remote".

MRC is no doubt a fantastic set-up, as witnessed by the 'Ring times of the ZL1. Regardless of the "specifics" of how that particular "mule" was "equipped". With less weight to carry as a 1LE (or, dare we say, Z/28?), the net results would "improve" (power aside). And, as Chev has shown with the ZR1 vs. Z06/Z07 at the 'Ring, less weight and the extra "boil" provided by a certain engine upgrade could make for a very "entertaining", BOSS-bashing Camaro...

I personally still see a valid place for the LS7, particularly IF a "hot LS3" is NOT in the cards. A "rev-able" 500hp, still pushing 200+ extra pounds vs. the BOSS LS, should create something the Ford folks will lose sleep over... Having said that, the drop in power from a 580/556 ZL1 @ 4130 (Base) to a 435hp (exhaust-tune)/430tq (same) @ 3850 (1SS) is a large drop (some would say "cliff"). 7.12 lb/hp vs. 8.85 (1LE) vs. 8.18 for the BOSS boys. With a 3850 lb. LS7? 7.62! Even with 100 lb added for HD Driveline, you still have power-to-weight of 7.82...and IRS and MRC 3.0...

1LE/LS3 > Base BOSS in performance, and = in price

1LE/LS7 > BOSS LS in performance, and >/= in price...and = Z/28

Built from 1SS genes, a 1LE or Z/28 can achieve those goals...and sell in numbers well worth the efforts.

Which then leaves the ZL1 as the "ultimate halo", a position GM seeks...and GT500 fears...

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Old 11-01-2011, 07:22 PM   #1375
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OK we have a Z28 hood now, the "Hotwheels" SE hood. Just add the Leno front fascia along with our other preferred pieces and we're done... Z28!
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Old 11-01-2011, 11:25 PM   #1376
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If that 1LE was to drop the 2SS interior, and add an LS7 w/dry sump....I could see a case...it'd slide in between the current Boss and Boss LS (both soon to be discontinued)...and fill the void between the SS and ZL1...

However, I still think it's more likely to see the 1LE nearly as-is in showrooms than LS7 equipped. As much as I hate to say it. :(
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:23 AM   #1377
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GM mentioned the development of a 427 for the COPO Drag Car project. Would that be a higher output than the current LS7??? Could this be the mystery motor we have been talking about? Could this missing link be added to the 1LE and be a faster than a ZL1 Z/28???

That just makes too much sense so it can't be reality. Let's go back to what we have in hand. The L/28 from Lingenfelter.
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