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Old 12-13-2011, 08:38 PM   #1480
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:35 AM   #1481
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:41 PM   #1482
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:14 PM   #1483
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I'd take out the supercharger and replace it. I'd add headers, a CAM and exhaust. The tranny is re-inforced, the gears are upgraded, and good tires.
However, I'm sure the suspension could be better as well, but, we'll see what the aftermarket comes out with to prove or dis-prove that. Just because it has MRT doesn't mean it can be improved.
Problem is with the stuff I listed warranty is scraped.
Dont' see how you can do anything to the vehicle without some portion of the warranty being dishonoured.
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Old 01-13-2012, 02:36 PM   #1484
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The warranty issues aren't because of a lack of suitable parts and/or technology, able to create improvements. The "problem" is those parts/pieces/technology must go through GM's rigorous certification and validation processes. Which takes time. And time, as we all know, is money...

Dropping the suspension requires re-crash-testing. Reprogramming MRC for reduced Curb Weight will require "some" engineering-related issues. Devising a new engine recipe requires a LOT of work for the folks at Powertrain.

...and on...and on...

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Old 01-13-2012, 03:19 PM   #1485
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LowDown do we need the HD Diff for a Z28/LS7? My concerns are weight and cost. I do agree with the HD Axles. I would like the HD Transmission that's in the ZL1. Also what are your thoughts regarding the Hot Wheels Hood? And what is item #4?
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:55 PM   #1486
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Last, first: MG9 is the GM code for the mandatory HD Tremec...just like the HD rear diff/axles.

Why?!

If I'm GM, I gonna build this mutha TUFF. Durable. And CHARGE for it, up-front. That way, two things happen, positively, for GM and for "me" and "you" (and they're kinda inter-related):

1) Built tuff means no/minimized breakage = happy consumers, right?

2) Minimal/no breakage means minimal/no warranty costs and minimal/no extra visits to the dealership. Which means GM "nets" a better profit/deal, and you "net" a far more positive experience with little/no "downtime". Means a better score with JD Power. Means a better chance at customer retention. Means I'm more likely to continue my association with GM/Chev, regardless of what vehicle(s) I may next purchase/lease.

"A happy customer is a long-term customer".

Yes it'll add some weight. But it will also add to that ULTRA PERMA GRIN that ONLY a ZEE can provide...

It also adds credence to a "proper Business Plan"...
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:06 PM   #1487
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Also what are your thoughts regarding the Hot Wheels Hood?
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:49 PM   #1488
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Good to see you guys back ....! We gotta get this built before 2016, no if's, ands, or buts, drivetrain is shelf ready from ZL1....we don't need the coolers you think? Maybe a cowl induction hood set-up.... definetely need a cold air intake for our N/A beastie, how we gonna do it, thoughts?.....
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Good to see you guys back ....! We gotta get this built before 2016, no if's, ands, or buts, drivetrain is shelf ready from ZL1....we don't need the coolers you think? Maybe a cowl induction hood set-up.... definetely need a cold air intake for our N/A beastie, how we gonna do it, thoughts?.....
The more I look at the Hot Wheels hood the more I want it!!!
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:09 PM   #1490
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I still avoid looking at it ...
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:15 PM   #1491
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Can't it be made without MRC? SS's are, why not the Z-28?. MRC and dual mode can be passed on. Just a free flowing 3" system. 19" wheels all around, variable rate coils and adjustable shock valving. Enhanced FE4 with Pedder's, or another cottage GM supplier, Whats the performance issues with the manual trans and rear end in the current SS?. What's breaking? Internal tranny issues? Output shaft? Rear axle's? Internal rear axle problems? If anyone is factualy aware of the weak links let us know. I am not sure if the upgraded drive and axle shafts can even be fitted to anything other than the ZL1 tranny and rear axle assembly. Whats the tranny, rear axle, and drive/axle shaft differences say between a Gran Sport and a Z06? Guys, I admit I'm behind the times, but I'm a trained mechanic and salty hotrodder from Bedrock. I'm trying to get a handle on whats needed to put behind a LS7 for the Z-28 without breaking the bank or making it bigger or badder than necessary. I also throw out there why do we have to say were are going to beat the Boss 302 or any other car? Can't we just make a performance level upgrade, halfway between the SS and ZL1? Around 45K base. A Z-28 500ish HP. PTM and gear lube coolers are nice, but Jackie Stewart we ain't, and we could use a plain 'ol fashioned performance upgrade over the SS, not the next generation hypersonic NASA orbitor.
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:28 PM   #1492
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Something else to consider about the beefier ZL1 drivetrain components is that, while heavier, the mass is all about as low as it could possibly be and should lower the CG of the car just a tad (though a very small amount). More importantly, it also pushes the CG a little farther back, improving balance.

Overall, I bet that its advantages & disadvantages would pretty much balance out handling wise, while being a slight a hindrance in a straight line.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:50 AM   #1495
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* ACS/SLP hood with Leno-style extractors. I have a rendering from '09 that would be "ideal"...

* Possibly with ACS bumper ports as per Smokin's, only split in two: upper or outer for driving lights/DRLs, lower or inner for brake ducts... See, again, the Leno-look...

http://www.camaro5.com/semas-version...ro-z28-its-not

I long ago was a proponent for "Enhanced FE4" but, if you notice, even Pete gave up on that idea, here... IF 1LE had "Enhanced FE4", then YES! But it didn't, and that, my friends, indicates to me where the Team's thinkin' is headed...

The old "Ben Franklin chart" comes into play...Pluses - Minuses = Final Result...and I'm a-feared that the Pluses far outweigh the Minuses, at least in GM's mind. Other than a slight reprogram for lower Curb and different Weight Distribution, MRC is ready to FLY!

MRC's single greatest advantage? Street ride...an important factor for Daily Driver status.
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We gotta get this built before 2016, no if's, ands, or buts, drivetrain is shelf ready from ZL1....
IF (caps) a Gen-5 ZEE is to make an appearance, the KISS method will be in play. The fewer "unique" parts 'n pieces required, the better chance we have of seeing it.

That likely means MRC...no readily available "enhanced FE4" exists, tmk...and, unfortunately, likely means NO LS7 (which, personally, would be a damn shame). A ZEE-specific hood is no biggie... crash-testing/certification/validation can be pretty much done by computer. The ACS "process" is exactly the same as the Gen-4 SS hoods (after all, the guys from SLP that made those hoods are the same dudes who operate ACS!). The "rest" of the necessary components pretty much exist...

[tick-tick-tick...]

On a personal note, my "hit" of the NAIAS, as far as GM is concerned, is the 60th Anniversary LS7 Vette Convert. HOO-RAY!!

Wixom, could you willingly handle an order for about 5000 Camaro-specific versions of said engine?!

Thought so...

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