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Old 03-31-2012, 01:03 PM   #1548
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OldScool, I may have touched on that, over here...

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Hello, old friends!

So we have a "1LE" to play with, soon. "Enhanced FE4"...GREAT! Lower cost...and very mod-able with PEDDERS pieces at the ready.

But we're missin' the extra steam to fully annihilate the BOSS LS...and seriously chase BIG Brother...

GM-massaged LS3? The widely-wished-for LS7? Camaro-introducing LT1?

Pray tell, what is ZEE answer?!

Which RED number will it be?!

MRC as an Option, or Standard?

And, most importantly, WHEN?
With regard to the gen V LT1 ... that engine will be going into SS's. It might go into a Z28 too, but its not going to be something which can set the Z28 apart from the SS.
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With regard to the gen V LT1 ... that engine will be going into SS's. It might go into a Z28 too, but its not going to be something which can set the Z28 apart from the SS.
Do you think we'll see that motor in a gen 5 Camaro?
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With regard to the gen V LT1 ... that engine will be going into SS's. It might go into a Z28 too, but its not going to be something which can set the Z28 apart from the SS.
It will be the "enhanced FE4"...or MRC...along with Dual-Mode 'n such that would specifically differentiate the ZEE from its brother, the SS...

Will the Gen-5 SS see the LT1? Maybe not...maybe only the ZEE would...
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With regard to the gen V LT1 ... that engine will be going into SS's. It might go into a Z28 too, but its not going to be something which can set the Z28 apart from the SS.
DG, what info have you found on the new Gen 5 DI being refered to as an LT1. I've only found some info saying the new 8 cyl DI motors would be small bore roughly 3" with a long stroke capable of over 400 HP. I've been looking for more specifics. Rumored 'Vette gets new DI in 2014 as I recall? Can you shed additional light on the info...thanks...
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Long stroke = low revs = not a track star = not for Z28
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DG, what info have you found on the new Gen 5 DI being refered to as an LT1. I've only found some info saying the new 8 cyl DI motors would be small bore roughly 3" with a long stroke capable of over 400 HP. I've been looking for more specifics. Rumored 'Vette gets new DI in 2014 as I recall? Can you shed additional light on the info...thanks...
I haven't heard anything as specific as that. But I believe that they're going to be using the 5.3 and 6.2 litre engines that make up the bulk of the lineup today. And they're going to be reving a little higher than they currently do. And they'll be keeping a 2 valve pushrod configuration. And of course, keeping the 4.4" bore spacing of every Chevy small block before it.

A 3" bore pretty much prevents the rest of those things from happening. The stroke length required to get it up to even a modest 4L displacement would be about 4.4" -longer than just about any automotive engine produced since before the second world war (and longer than the small block architecture can even support). To get to the smallest proposed displacement for the gen V's, it would have to have a gargantuan stroke of 5.7". The long stroke means that it wouldn't be able to reach high rpm's without very strong internals. The small bore would require small valves, restricting flow. Plus, it would add a whole bunch of weight since the block would need to be cast with a taller deck, and there'd be a whole bunch of 'extra' material left in the block between cylinders. Overall, I'd dismiss such a claim.

I could see some variant with a 3" stroke though. A V8 with a 4" bore x 3" stroke yields about a 4.9L displacement, which is a very workable engine size.
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I haven't heard anything as specific as that. But I believe that they're going to be using the 5.3 and 6.2 litre engines that make up the bulk of the lineup today. And they're going to be reving a little higher than they currently do. And they'll be keeping a 2 valve pushrod configuration. And of course, keeping the 4.4" bore spacing of every Chevy small block before it.

A 3" bore pretty much prevents the rest of those things from happening. The stroke length required to get it up to even a modest 4L displacement would be about 4.4" -longer than just about any automotive engine produced since before the second world war (and longer than the small block architecture can even support). To get to the smallest proposed displacement for the gen V's, it would have to have a gargantuan stroke of 5.7". The long stroke means that it wouldn't be able to reach high rpm's without very strong internals. The small bore would require small valves, restricting flow. Plus, it would add a whole bunch of weight since the block would need to be cast with a taller deck, and there'd be a whole bunch of 'extra' material left in the block between cylinders. Overall, I'd dismiss such a claim.

I could see some variant with a 3" stroke though. A V8 with a 3" bore x 4" stroke yields about a 4.9L displacement, which is a very workable engine size.

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I haven't heard anything as specific as that. But I believe that they're going to be using the 5.3 and 6.2 litre engines that make up the bulk of the lineup today. And they're going to be reving a little higher than they currently do. And they'll be keeping a 2 valve pushrod configuration. And of course, keeping the 4.4" bore spacing of every Chevy small block before it.

A 3" bore pretty much prevents the rest of those things from happening. The stroke length required to get it up to even a modest 4L displacement would be about 4.4" -longer than just about any automotive engine produced since before the second world war (and longer than the small block architecture can even support). To get to the smallest proposed displacement for the gen V's, it would have to have a gargantuan stroke of 5.7". The long stroke means that it wouldn't be able to reach high rpm's without very strong internals. The small bore would require small valves, restricting flow. Plus, it would add a whole bunch of weight since the block would need to be cast with a taller deck, and there'd be a whole bunch of 'extra' material left in the block between cylinders. Overall, I'd dismiss such a claim.

I could see some variant with a 3" stroke though. A V8 with a 3" bore x 4" stroke yields about a 4.9L displacement, which is a very workable engine size.
Hmmmm, 3" and 4", that was an old combination from the first gens. except it was a 4" bore with a 3" stroke which yielded 4.9L displacement commonly known as a 302cid engine. I think they put those in some strange Z something or other!!
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Hmmmm, 3" and 4", that was an old combination from the first gens. except it was a 4" bore with a 3" stroke which yielded 4.9L displacement commonly known as a 302cid engine. I think they put those in some strange Z something or other!!
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That was a typo on my part. When I wrote that post, I had been thinking '3 inch bore ... 3 inch bore ... 3 inch bore ... '

It should have read 4" bore x 3" stroke, that yields a 4.9L/302 cu engine. Going the other way makes for a 3.7L
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:30 PM   #1558
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Hmmmm, 3" and 4", that was an old combination from the first gens. except it was a 4" bore with a 3" stroke which yielded 4.9L displacement commonly known as a 302cid engine. I think they put those in some strange Z something or other!!
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My concern was the long stroke, not for my Z...28!
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My concern was the long stroke, not for my Z...28!
...I want to take long naps.....
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I don't do naps either...I'ma fightin' this gettin' old thing.
It is useless to resist, it is inevitable, it is only a matter of time! Seriously, a lot of it is how you approach it mentally, I still work 8 hours a day as a carpenter and can still outwork some of the younger ones on thye jobsite. Other than aches and pains, I don't feel old (well I do get tired a little more easily), I still listen to rock, follow NASCAR closely, do pretty much whatever I want. And I still want a new Z/28 to go fast in!!
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Generally, age is a statistic...but every once in awhile, it's a FACT.

Remember when you'd go OUT at 10 or 11 to "have a lil fun"? Well, watch out...that becomes you're "nighty-night-time" when you're not lookin'...
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Remember when you'd go OUT at 10 or 11 to "have a lil fun"? Well, watch out...that becomes you're "nighty-night-time" when you're not lookin'...
How true Lowdown....10 PM'ish and I'm out of gas...nightlife for me around that time anymore is horizontal cable TV surfing then , ...ZZZZZZZZ...
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