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Old 05-25-2011, 04:45 PM   #1
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Back plate disc came apart.......

So I have been PCing my car. Swirl and haze remover, then the white, then the grey.

Problem is I'm suing the pad that came with the PC, which seems to be working fine, but it's because the PC got so hot with the S&H disc that it came apart. The finish is turning out great, but has anyone ever had this thing get so hot it basically melted the yellow foam? Not melted, but made it so hot and soft that it came apart.

Also, it seems that the S&H is better than the white stuff. Machine Polish or whatever. With the white pad.

At any rate, I think I need to place an order. Just don't want to buy it if my PC is Fed up.
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Hmm never heard of that PQ. When I went to Grabiak's detail clinic I talked with Adam for quite a bit and he was pretty persistant on telling me that the PC does not and can not get hot enough to do something like that.
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PQ! Man, you sat and watched me do this at Camaro Fest 1! First off, the orange stuff IS stronger than the white stuff. That's the way it is designed because that is the order you use them. Secondly,



I need to see what you are using and what came apart. Adam will replace anything that you bought from him for free, but I need to see which back plate you're talking about.

Third, you are using a extension cord with your PC that IS NOT rated for the length that you are running! That's why your PC got so hot! You have got to stop, sit down and watch a few of my videos. You are doing a bunch of things wrong and this will affect your results.

First, watch these videos so that you will get a understanding of the polishes and the order that they are used. Watch them more than once. You need to completely understand this process. Next, here is the service manual for the PC. Notice the cord length chart for extension cables. Follow it to the letter. You have got to use the correct gauge of extension cord or you will burn up that PC.

I don't know what buffing technique you are using but you can't get the PC hot enough to melt the pad. That's impossible. You are obviously using way too much product and pressure and that is what is destroying your pads. Watch the videos so that you can correct the mistakes you're making.

One thing that you are consistently good at though... you do start some epic detailing threads!
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Old 05-25-2011, 05:54 PM   #4
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PQ, if I understand correctly...you're using the white pad that came with the PC? I don't think you should be using that to polish your car. I doubt it will cause any damage, but just some advice.

Yep, SHR is definitely "stronger" than FMP, but SSR is the "strongest" in the line.

Junkman is guiding you just right, though
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I'm thinking that he is using that white pad that came with the polisher too. You DO NOT want to use that pad on your paint!
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Ok, ok. When I get home in an hour or so, I'll take some pics and post them.

I'm using a 50 foot standard gauge chord.

I'm using the pinkish orange pad with the pinkish orage SHR.

Then going back with the white pad and the FMP.

Then going to the grey pad with the grey machine super wax.

The finish is turning out fantastic. It's taken me two days to get what I have. lol Not full days but good 4 to 5 hour sessions. And all I have done is basically the entire tops of the whole car. Everythning from the top crease up.

I'll take some pics and elaborate when I get home.

The yellow didn't melt, just got really hot and seperated.

I did watch the vids. But maybe I could use a refresher. It was over a year ago.
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I did watch the vids. But maybe I could use a refresher. It was over a year ago.
I know, trust me I know!

You should have done the entire car with the orange stuff, then done the entire car with the white stuff. Last of all would be the entire car with the gray stuff. But you will see this in my videos.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:32 PM   #8
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I know, trust me I know!

You should have done the entire car with the orange stuff, then done the entire car with the white stuff. Last of all would be the entire car with the gray stuff. But you will see this in my videos.


It just takes me so long. I drive the car every day so I don't want to end up messing it up between processes.

If I try it any faster I end up with a kind of haze that most wouldn't really notice but me. So I gotta go slow. I guess I'm just not more practice.

I AM supposed to do the SHR on 6 right?
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THIS is the EXACT equipment and product I'm using right now. Right down to the disc that comes with it. (becasue I ruined the Adams one)

http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-338-a...isher-kit.aspx
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has anyone ever had this thing get so hot it basically melted the yellow foam? Not melted, but made it so hot and soft that it came apart.
I'm confused about the backing plate... how long ago did you buy your kit? We haven't had a yellow backing plate for quite awhile now. Did you get your backing plate from us??

Also, its virtually impossible to generate enough heat to melt foam with the PC, its oscillating, not rotating. Not saying another force or just defect couldn't cause a backing plate to fail, but heat is certainly not the cause.
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Hey Dylan, I bought it all at the fest last year. So I've had it for about a year. I may not be calling it by it's proper name.

I'm not sweating it, I'll get another one. But if I'm doing it wrong I just want to know. Junkman may be on to something with the extension cord maybe?

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OK, I was assuming you got it more recently than that, but that would've been RIGHT at the end of when we were stocking the yellow plates.

Its definitely not heat... I'd say thats just a case of the foam failing for some reason or another. Manufacture defect to just a flaw in the material. Either way make sure you call in and get a replacement setup.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:17 PM   #13
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Well, the PC gets pretty hot and I smelled the foam. Smelled pretty hot.

In the meantime, is the stock plate ok to use?
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As long as its the right size for the pads and the velcro holds, yes.

I'd be concerned if you're getting sufficient enough heat to smell the foam, again - the machine oscillates, not rotates, there is no real heat generated thus the reason its safe to use for even the most novice user.

You sure you're using an appropriately sized extension cord? The outlet you're working from isn't underpowered? You're not blocking the exhaust vents on the machine while working? Any smell I would suspect is the internals of the PC overheating from a problem, not the pad.
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As long as its the right size for the pads and the velcro holds, yes.

I'd be concerned if you're getting sufficient enough heat to smell the foam, again - the machine oscillates, not rotates, there is no real heat generated thus the reason its safe to use for even the most novice user.

You sure you're using an appropriately sized extension cord? The outlet you're working from isn't underpowered? You're not blocking the exhaust vents on the machine while working? Any smell I would suspect is the internals of the PC overheating from a problem, not the pad.
It's the part here.... that gets so hot.

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I had just got home. I was gonna get back at it, but I think I'll watch 'The vids' again and get back at it tomorrow. LOL
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I AM supposed to do the SHR on 6 right?
WATCH THE VIDEOs!

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In the meantime, is the stock plate ok to use?
Wait a minute, which stock back plate are you talking about? Are you talking about the one that has that white pad glued to it? Do not use that one. If you are talking about a back plate that will allow you to put the orange pad on it, then that would be okay to use.

I have seen those yellow pads disintegrate like that. My small 4" one did the same thing. If you apply mad pressure to that back plate, it may do that but you have to apply mad pressure for a while. That's obviously what you were doing. By the way, that's NOT my technique. My technique will not cause the back plate to fail like that.

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It's the part here.... that gets so hot.



I had just got home. I was gonna get back at it, but I think I'll watch 'The vids' again and get back at it tomorrow. LOL
Yep, you're either starving the unit of current by using the wrong extension cord or you're plugged into an outlet that isn't supplying enough current. If you have too much stuff running off of one outlet, you'll starve everything plugged into it of current. That's another reason why that part of the polisher can get so hot. It boils down to one thing, you're starving that unit of amperage and you're going to burn it up if you don't address the problem.
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Next, here is the service manual for the PC. Notice the cord length chart for extension cables. Follow it to the letter. You have got to use the correct gauge of extension cord or you will burn up that PC.
Or better yet, if you are running any length over 50' make your own extension cord. A good 50' 12 gauge cord will run about $70-$80, a 100' 12 gauge will cost about $100 and a 100' 10 gauge will cost about $150. You can make one for less then half of these costs plus you will know exactly what the cord is made of.
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LOL, Ok. I'm gonna wach the vids now.

Here are a few carifying pics I just took.

Amperage is good.

Pad has little hard balls of melted foam.

And a pic of the pads and plate I am now using.

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Okay, pads and back plate are good. Your voltage reading, however, doesn't tell me anything. I would need to see the current draw under a load. The fact that your unit is so hot tells me that a reading under load is way to low. That's a tell-tell.

Bt the way, what do you use the squirrel for?
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Okay, pads and back plate are good. Your voltage reading, however, doesn't tell me anything. I would need to see the current draw under a load. The fact that your unit is so hot tells me that a reading under load is way to low. That's a tell-tell.

Bt the way, what do you use the squirrel for?


He just watches. LOL

Heat could be me covering the vents with my hand?
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Yea, covering the vents can generate some heat but not the kind of heat you're talking about. You would have to tape the vents closed with duct tape to generate that kind of heat. What gauge extension cord are you using? Also, how long is it?
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Yea, covering the vents can generate some heat but not the kind of heat you're talking about. You would have to tape the vents closed with duct tape to generate that kind of heat. What gauge extension cord are you using? Also, how long is it?
Probably 16 guage. It's a 50 foot cord.
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Then don't plug anything else into that outlet or on that circuit. See if the PC gets hot when you do it that way.
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