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Old 05-29-2011, 07:58 PM   #26
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Yeah, that and have the car drive itself too!!! How lazy can people get that they can't even turn a key?
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:30 PM   #27
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One more thing to break. I'd get rid of power windows if I could
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:35 PM   #28
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:56 PM   #29
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I turn my computer on with a button
I turn my tv on with a button
I turn my oven on with a button
I turn my radio on with a button

I turn my car on with a key

From the looks of things, I'm in the minority on this but I don't want my car to be like every other appliance that I own. I want to be reminded that it is a machine, not a device.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:13 PM   #30
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To me, how the electrical connection is made to turn the starter over is very very low on my list of concerns. Turning a key is fine with me, I've been doing it all my life and really, it is functional and convienient with the various positions.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:56 PM   #31
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While I am a big fan of keeping it simple, I understand those that want the keyless start, especially if others could be driving the car.

Look around the key entry of door (if not remote unlock) and even around the ignition location you may see a lot of scratches from people that aren't as careful as 99.9999% of the members of this forum.

Since i will be the only person to ever drive my ZL1, I would prefer it if GM goes with the simple/effective/most cost efficient.
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Old 05-29-2011, 11:00 PM   #32
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This group makes the push button start and someone on this website has got it on there car already.
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:58 AM   #33
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I think push button was cool 10 years ago when it was rare, now I just don't care. I liked the button on my s2000, that was a true push button like on a motorcycle. I wouldnt mind that one this car, but don't want a keyless one like the vettes and BMW etc
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:23 AM   #34
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just give me a key next people will want a button to open the front door on the house
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:23 AM   #35
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I Like The Key, Holding Access To All That Power In Your Hand! RAWR!
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:38 AM   #36
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When that happened, he had three cars (his a BMW 650, His wife's an Audi Q7 and his son BMW 135). I'm not sure which one, but I guess it was the 135 that he was working on.
His new Jag XK doesn't even start, if the key is more than 3 feet away, but I wonder what would happen if you start the car and take the key away from the car.
I'm not too crazy about keyless!

If you start it and walk away with they key, it won't let you put it in gear and it beeps to all hell. I hear it everytime I put gas in my wife's car cause I keep the keyfob in my pocket.
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:52 AM   #37
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Yeah and true factory made LED tail lights like almost every other new car out there, hell, the new Caravan has LEDs.

My wife's new Venza has push button start and she and I love it, no complaints what so ever. She leaves the keys in her purse, when she walks up on it the dome light comes on and just grab the handle and you are in, push button and go. Get out touch the handle and you are locked. Works flawlessly.
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:31 PM   #38
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How about starting the car with your smart phone? There have to be tech junkies out there that want this was well?

again, thats neat and all but I think it just drives up the cost for a car that is in a different genre.

This is a muscle car, I don't really need the gadgets as long as I get my ~570 hp.
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:54 PM   #39
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How about starting the car with your smart phone?
Lol! You can if you have an auto with remote start and onstar!
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Old 05-30-2011, 02:31 PM   #40
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For all those that are hating on Push buttons.... Just want to share a little information.

Race cars are mostly push button starts. There is just something when you get behind the wheel of that car that makes you want to push in a clutch, push a button, mash that shifter in 1st, romp on the gas pedal, dump the clutch and go! For those of you who still want to fiddle faddle around with your massive amounts of keys (that actually also do damage to your ignition switch as the 5 pound wieghts dangle from you steering column over a period of time), stay in the right lane please as you are most likely going to get passed. You might as well carry that hand crank with you as you still live in the dark ages and are afraid of change. A push start is not problematic. The problem lies in the user who must feel the need to carry around a ton of keys they most of which they never use. Honestly I had 3 keys on my key fob. The key to my Camaro, the key to my Harley and my house key. On a separate keychain I carry the rest of my keys to the rest of my junk. Once you get yourself into a routine it really becomes quite natural. Yet then again, routines are also hard to break.
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Old 05-30-2011, 05:11 PM   #41
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I tend to go through life focused on one thing at a time. My mind is like a monorail - only one track. Because of this, I operate all other functions on what most would call auto-pilot.

My wife calls it being absent minded.

I try to tell her that geniuses are often absent minded.

My point is this, I will put my keys down in one of several appropriate places when I'm inside my home. To combat the annoyance of having to search for keys, I keep at least three full sets for myself, so standard keys would be my first choice.

Then again, if voice recognition software was included and I could simply tell the car to start, that would be cool. There would need to be a manual override datapad that could start the car by inputting a passcode. Perhaps the actor who voiced the original KITT could be hired for the car's responses and notifications.

I am only half joking.

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Old 05-30-2011, 06:00 PM   #42
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For all those that are hating on Push buttons.... Just want to share a little information.

Race cars are mostly push button starts. There is just something when you get behind the wheel of that car that makes you want to push in a clutch, push a button, mash that shifter in 1st, romp on the gas pedal, dump the clutch and go! For those of you who still want to fiddle faddle around with your massive amounts of keys (that actually also do damage to your ignition switch as the 5 pound wieghts dangle from you steering column over a period of time), stay in the right lane please as you are most likely going to get passed. You might as well carry that hand crank with you as you still live in the dark ages and are afraid of change. A push start is not problematic. The problem lies in the user who must feel the need to carry around a ton of keys they most of which they never use. Honestly I had 3 keys on my key fob. The key to my Camaro, the key to my Harley and my house key. On a separate keychain I carry the rest of my keys to the rest of my junk. Once you get yourself into a routine it really becomes quite natural. Yet then again, routines are also hard to break.
You do realize that race cars dont have a key at all dont you. This is not a race car. It's kinda ironic that you talk about technology and staying in the right lane and dark ages and then talk about having a harley.

If I want push button start, I will buy a luxury car. I want this car to have as little in common with most of the cars people are saying they have(toyota, bmw, Nissan).
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:49 PM   #43
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For all those that are hating on Push buttons.... Just want to share a little information.

Race cars are mostly push button starts. There is just something when you get behind the wheel of that car that makes you want to push in a clutch, push a button, mash that shifter in 1st, romp on the gas pedal, dump the clutch and go! For those of you who still want to fiddle faddle around with your massive amounts of keys (that actually also do damage to your ignition switch as the 5 pound wieghts dangle from you steering column over a period of time), stay in the right lane please as you are most likely going to get passed. You might as well carry that hand crank with you as you still live in the dark ages and are afraid of change. A push start is not problematic. The problem lies in the user who must feel the need to carry around a ton of keys they most of which they never use. Honestly I had 3 keys on my key fob. The key to my Camaro, the key to my Harley and my house key. On a separate keychain I carry the rest of my keys to the rest of my junk. Once you get yourself into a routine it really becomes quite natural. Yet then again, routines are also hard to break.
And here I thought most race cars had a toggle switch, not a push button ...

Either way, they don't have an electronic fob either
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:56 PM   #44
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And here I thought most race cars had a toggle switch, not a push button ...

Either way, they don't have an electronic fob either
Comparing the Camaro to professional race cars is a little farfetched.
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Comparing the Camaro to professional race cars is a little farfetched.
But comparing the ZL1 to a race car is a little closer
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:57 AM   #46
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Push button vs keys, neither is drastically better than the other and clinging to or avoiding either seems kind of silly.
They are just different methods to do the same thing, start the car.
I don't see how having a push button makes any difference if it's a muscle car or not, so tired of seeing "it's a muscle car" used as a reason to not add this or not change that.
As if it's a sin to evolve. Don't be afraid of change.

Push buttons are cool mostly for the look and everything else is minimal. It's not like turning a key is hard or annoying. You still have a fob u have to keep track of just like a key. So it boils down to different hand movements.

The one thing I will say is keyless entry is a more modern thing and those putting it in there cars I would say are more forward thinking and prob have better tech in other areas of the car. So I would want it in the camaro for that reason.

I have remote start so I'd never push button anyway, the ignition is just a hole to keep my key in while I'm driving

Now if they could reduce the size of the fob to something I can just keep in my wallet that would be cool.


But here's an idea.
Why not have both?
It's not hard to have the ignition and the push button be the same thing.
If you don't like the push button, pull the plastic cover off and the keyhole is under it.
The standard fob would have a key and a sensor to activate the car. So it would work in both situations. And everyone would be happy.
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Push button start = easier to steal... don't get me wrong, I know they require the fob to be in a certain distance or even inside the car, but the wires are right next to the wheel, quick cut and the car is GONE! My LEO neighbor asked if I had that and I said no, he was relieved as they get calls about the push button cars all the time.

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For all those that are hating on Push buttons.... Just want to share a little information.

Race cars are mostly push button starts. There is just something when you get behind the wheel of that car that makes you want to push in a clutch, push a button, mash that shifter in 1st, romp on the gas pedal, dump the clutch and go! For those of you who still want to fiddle faddle around with your massive amounts of keys (that actually also do damage to your ignition switch as the 5 pound wieghts dangle from you steering column over a period of time), stay in the right lane please as you are most likely going to get passed. You might as well carry that hand crank with you as you still live in the dark ages and are afraid of change. A push start is not problematic. The problem lies in the user who must feel the need to carry around a ton of keys they most of which they never use. Honestly I had 3 keys on my key fob. The key to my Camaro, the key to my Harley and my house key. On a separate keychain I carry the rest of my keys to the rest of my junk. Once you get yourself into a routine it really becomes quite natural. Yet then again, routines are also hard to break.
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Old 05-31-2011, 07:10 AM   #48
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Yes, I agree 100%.
We shouldn't need keys, just a proximity sensor. My 2010 Nissan Armada has a small key fob that you keep in your pocket and you never need to pull it out. Just push start and off you go!
Keys are outdated.
Exactly... that's what I'd like to see. I want the small fob that doesn't flip out a sharp key inside my pocket. But I prefer to use the fob to unlock the doors rather than another proximity sensor.
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Just one point: for all those arguing that a push start=lazy, do me a favor: Go home and throw away your computer, cell phone, microwave, refrigerator, vacuum cleaner, central heat/air, light bulbs, etc. Look, now you're Amish! Good for you.
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