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Old 06-01-2011, 02:13 PM   #76
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While I do agree with you, and Mike said in an e-mail he could fix it with the tune ..... all we agreed was that he'd tune it. I assumed it would just like Mike did. We were wrong. Not their fault I have a problem outside of tuning. It really really sucks. But Mike just said he could fix it. We never agreed he would. Just that I'd get the tune. If I could go back and do it differently, I would. I'd have used that 600.00 to find the problem. But there was no way to know. So I am not justified, imo to jump on Vengeance. I thought about it. I was on the fence. But I'm not a mechanic or tuner. So all I could do is try one. If that wasn't it, then continue on. I gambled wrong. So I'll have to try this. If I can't fix it, I'll bring it to you. I'm just tired of throwing money at it and not getting it fixed. I know you gave me the gaurantee, but if I can fix it without spending too much, I'd prefer that.



I got no faith in ANY GM dealer based on the way the two I've dealt with down here are. In fairness, Terri Tompson Chevrolet here is a much better service department than Bay Chevrolet, but still can't align 21 inch wheels. And won't work on anything not stock.
it really sux dude that the dealerships down there i have given you such a bad experience....i have nothing but good to say bout mine
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:17 PM   #77
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it really sux dude that the dealerships down there i have given you such a bad experience....i have nothing but good to say bout mine
And Terri Tompson is a good dealership. They just have a policy. And they stick to it. The known oil pan gasket leak cropped up just before my blower install. I only found out about it because when I got it tuned, the tuner saw it and showed me where it was leaking. It was obviously there before the blower becasue I hadn't run the car yet. Terri Tompson said no. I was up front about the supercharger and they told me that their policy is to stick to the letter of GMs rules. I can't fault them for that. I'll just have to find someone else.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:19 PM   #78
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And Terri Tompson is a good dealership. They just have a policy. And they stick to it. The known oil pan gasket leak cropped up just before my blower install. I only found out about it because when I got it tuned, the tuner saw it and showed me where it was leaking. It was obviously there before the blower becasue I hadn't run the car yet. Terri Tompson said no. I was up front about the supercharger and they told me that their policy is to stick to the letter of GMs rules. I can't fault them for that. I'll just have to find someone else.
yeah but he is adding words...gm can work on it, they cant honor the warrenty though so i dont see his prob?
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:28 PM   #79
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Ray2SS on this forum took his car to a local dealer in our area that was "supposedly" skilled at hot rodding up the Camaro. They had said they did a few twin turbos and what not. They messed his car up good and he ended up having to get it to Janetty to get straightened out.

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Old 06-01-2011, 02:36 PM   #80
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well i was wrong....from jeffs mouth dealerships are privately and independently owned so they can refuse a customer for whatever reason.......that suxs really
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:39 PM   #81
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yeah but he is adding words...gm can work on it, they cant honor the warrenty though so i dont see his prob?
I seafoamed the fuel this morning. So Now I'm gonna make a list. And do them in order of what makes sense.

Of everything I have so far, I think a few things can be done right away. And then take it to a shop for a smoke test. If the blower has to be pulled, I'll be the one pulling it. Saves on cost.
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There are a few dealerships out there that do have peformance shops... Like Grabinak on the east side & Sunset Chevy on the west side.

I wouldnt discredit ALL dealers, but they are limited to a few nationwide.
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There are a few dealerships out there that do have peformance shops... Like Grabinak on the east side & Sunset Chevy on the west side.

I wouldnt discredit ALL dealers, but they are limited to a few nationwide.
Dicredit, no. Lose faith in, yes.

What I mean is I used to figure that all dealerships were top notch until they showed me, or I heard otherwise.

But now they are all suspect until they show me or I hear otherwise.

No big deal. I"m sure that most of them can fix a Cobalt or Silverado just fine. But out of the box isn't in their forte'.
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I agree. I was terrified to leave my car for a oil change, tire rotation & alignment... thankfully it made it back in one piece (and still running).

Actually, I was scared to leave my bone stock 97 burban... lol
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I seafoamed the fuel this morning. So Now I'm gonna make a list. And do them in order of what makes sense.

Of everything I have so far, I think a few things can be done right away. And then take it to a shop for a smoke test. If the blower has to be pulled, I'll be the one pulling it. Saves on cost.

id really like a better pic of your plugs too there is one that looks fishy to me so if you wouldnt mind.....the only reason id suggest dealer is the software they have can really get deep into it and i dunno if its accessible by us
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If a dealer does hook up their system to check software be careful.

My buddy took his supercharged Challenger to the dealer for an oil change. He told them DO NOT flash upgrade the ECM as it is a supercharged car with a custom tune.

Well, the tech as part of his normal process, hooks up and flashes the computer to the latest CALID (small incremental updates that likely do nothing).

Well, now his car wouldn't start and since the CALID was updated to a later revision, he couldn't flash his custom tune back in to the car. Took a couple days for his tuner to get it sorted out. The tuner had to go in and edit his custom tune and update the CALID to the latest one the dealer used. Then he had to figure out how to make the Predator disassociate from the car since the stock tune no longer matched what it expected to see. It was a massive headache.
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id really like a better pic of your plugs too there is one that looks fishy to me so if you wouldnt mind.....the only reason id suggest dealer is the software they have can really get deep into it and i dunno if its accessible by us
I'll get some pics in the sun. But the car is identical with new plugs in it entirely. And gapped narrower. I have them gapped at .35 instead of the stock ones that were gapped at .39
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If a dealer does hook up their system to check software be careful.

My buddy took his supercharged Challenger to the dealer for an oil change. He told them DO NOT flash upgrade the ECM as it is a supercharged car with a custom tune.

Well, the tech as part of his normal process, hooks up and flashes the computer to the latest CALID (small incremental updates that likely do nothing).

Well, now his car wouldn't start and since the CALID was updated to a later revision, he couldn't flash his custom tune back in to the car. Took a couple days for his tuner to get it sorted out. The tuner had to go in and edit his custom tune and update the CALID to the latest one the dealer used. Then he had to figure out how to make the Predator disassociate from the car since the stock tune no longer matched what it expected to see. It was a massive headache.
Ouch. That sucks. This is exactly what sucks about having to drive 5 to 7 hours to tune my car.

And why I want my tune on my SCT. Even if the dealer or someone were to flash the computer at least I'd be able to put my tune back in. I thought about putting my own connector on it. Cut the OBDII off behind the connector and put a different one behind it. So I use THAT one to plug in instead. that way they can't plug in to it.
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LMAO! thats diabolical right there....well show both old and new they do tell a story alot of times
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What are your fuel trims doing? Are they showing a vacuum leak?
I think HufferSS is on to something. If you have a vacuum leak your fuel trims will be out of limits. As you slow to a stop your car may want to surge before you totally stop. Fuel trims are easy to read if you have someone with a scanner. Hang in there.
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[QUOTE=PQ;3288156]While I do agree with you, and Mike said in an e-mail he could fix it with the tune ..... all we agreed was that he'd tune it. I assumed it would take care of it just like Mike did. We were wrong. Not their fault that I have a problem outside of tuning. It really really sucks. But Mike just said he could fix it. We never agreed he would. Just that I'd get the tune and HOPE it would. If I could go back and do it differently, I would. I'd have used that 600.00 to find the problem. But there was no way to know. So I am not justified, imo to jump on Vengeance. I thought about it. I was on the fence. But I'm not a mechanic or tuner. So all I could do is try one. If that wasn't it, then continue on. I gambled wrong. So I'll have to try this. If I can't fix it, I'll bring it to you. I'm just tired of throwing money at it and not getting it fixed. I know you gave me the gaurantee, but if I can fix it without spending too much, I'd prefer that.


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Hey Pq, Yeah chris@hps was who i was going to tell you to go see. If you cant figure this thing out it would be well worth it to take it to Chris. Ive been to alot of different shops since ls1's were cool and chris is top notch.
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I think HufferSS is on to something. If you have a vacuum leak your fuel trims will be out of limits. As you slow to a stop your car may want to surge before you totally stop. Fuel trims are easy to read if you have someone with a scanner. Hang in there.
Gah...... I left my tuner at Vengeance. I just trust that Mike knew what I needed.

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Hey Pq, Yeah chris@hps was who i was going to tell you to go see. If you cant figure this thing out it would be well worth it to take it to Chris. Ive been to alot of different shops since ls1's were cool and chris is top notch.
Good to know. Thank you.
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Hey PQ, I'm just gonna throw our 2 cents in...

We use our smoke tester a ton on vehicles brought in for rough tunes. We have seen the smallest leaks in vacuum hard lines and even something recently like the base injector o-rings. From the images of the plugs I'd say there is one for sure that looks a bit lean as well. You're more than welcome to shoot us a call to discuss your tune, your air leak, or anything else. Advice is always free.
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If you use a smoke machine on the intake (supercharger) the leak if any will be apparent.
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Hey PQ, I'm just gonna throw our 2 cents in...

We use our smoke tester a ton on vehicles brought in for rough tunes. We have seen the smallest leaks in vacuum hard lines and even something recently like the base injector o-rings. From the images of the plugs I'd say there is one for sure that looks a bit lean as well. You're more than welcome to shoot us a call to discuss your tune, your air leak, or anything else. Advice is always free.
I'm still narrowing down that issue I told you about. Getting really irritating. I have a lot of troubleshooting to do. What was that other dyno you told me about?

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I wonder if I can duplicate this? Or get a smoke machine?
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Smoke machine should be available at any performance shop. Traced down two leaks in my exhaust and one in my meth tank. I have also seen it find leaks in vacuum of a 2010 Camaro a few weeks ago. If you have a leak, smoke WILL find it.
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Hope you get this straightened out bud. Remind me to never stand near you if there's a chance of a thunderstorm. With your luck lightning would strike us.
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