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Old 03-08-2009, 01:12 PM   #1
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Do you know how good this LLT is?

Hi i did knot no how good this LLT is till now, i fond this today on the LLT,
Go to page 4 and 5 of this site and injoy.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...v6_engine.html
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:18 PM   #2
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Its an amazing engine - truly a testament to GM's engineers.

Here's some good threads to peruse on that subject.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5565

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10727

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peruse??? you sure you're from Oklahoma???

They put their best foot forward with that engine.
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It's really remarkable. Anyone getting a V6 should not regret it.
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mmmmm forged crank and rods...6-bolt mains auggggghhhh (homer style)
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mmmmm forged crank and rods...6-bolt mains auggggghhhh (homer style)
And that is one of the reasons we think it will do so well with boost, with only a slight drop in CR if any.
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The pistons are cast from a high-strength aluminum alloy, receive cooling oil from pressure-actuated jets-something unique to the LS9,The LLT also features a VVT system which, unlike the single-cam-phaser setup implemented on the L99, alters the phase of the intake and exhaust camshafts independently, resulting in Variable Valve Timing in an even truer sense (or as engineers like to call it on this application, "four-cam continuously variable cam phasing")
This is 1 hot Engine the guys like me with V8 better be careful?
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:34 PM   #8
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That's a really great article 2SSRS!
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Do we know how much horsepower the internals can handle?
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Thank's for that, i love to see a good car come out of U.S. car company's this is what all U.S. car company's shod do spend $ on R&D stop tiring to not spend on R/D and give us good Cars.
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the guys like me with V8 better be careful?
actually yeah. I can see some v-6s that will be giving a lot of v-8s a run for their money. most all will be some form of FI, whether mechanical or chemical, but still it will be some awesome times ahead of us.
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Do we know how much horsepower the internals can handle?
LS9 630HP/8 = 78.75HP
LLT 78.75HP X 6 = 472.5HP
500+ HP
And better has a VVT system which, unlike the single-cam-phaser setup implemented on the L99, alters the phase of the intake and exhaust camshafts independently, resulting in Variable Valve Timing in an even truer sense (or as engineers like to call it on this application, "four-cam continuously variable cam phasing")

Do you know what this do's, This is like having a bump stick you can change on the fly.
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did anyone read all the way to page 6? here is the quote me may have been waiting for "(Let's not even waste our breath on the Mustang GT-the LLT should just about take care of it.) As to the GT500 et al, we'll leave the upcoming Z28 to put the smackdown on those high-dollar Fords!"
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LS9 630HP/8 = 78.75HP
LLT 78.75HP X 6 = 472.5HP
500+ HP
And better has a VVT system which, unlike the single-cam-phaser setup implemented on the L99, alters the phase of the intake and exhaust camshafts independently, resulting in Variable Valve Timing in an even truer sense (or as engineers like to call it on this application, "four-cam continuously variable cam phasing")

Do you know what this do's, This is like having a bump stick you can change on the fly.
Not quite effective math, but it should provide a bottom line. Not all of the strain is split evenly per cylinder - the net horsepower output is actually less than the sum of its parts (the strain on each cylinder), in this case. Meaning most certainly 500 hp or more from the LLT.

If I had a limitless supply of money, I'd buy the V6 and drop in lower CR pistons and the supercharge it with one of the new maggy 1900's at about 5-7 psi of boost. Then a full exhaust and a full suspension. Plenty of power, plenty of fun, and it would pull really good mileage too (probably better than the LLT does already since it would be lower CR).
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A V-6 5th gen is looking better and better all the time!
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I saw a 1969 small block Z/28 on the Mecum Muscle Car auction over the weekend. They said it had 290hp. That car probably got 10-12 mph. Makes the LLT look better all the time.
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Hi i did knot no how good this LLT is till now, i fond this today on the LLT,
Go to page 4 and 5 of this site and injoy.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...v6_engine.html
If theirs a Top ten engine engine list for 2010, this would be in the top 5 of that list, GM really did the shit out of this engine

I would like to compare it to Chrysler's 3.6 and 4.0 DI Phoenix engines when the spec are released
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Not quite effective math, but it should provide a bottom line. Not all of the strain is split evenly per cylinder - the net horsepower output is actually less than the sum of its parts (the strain on each cylinder), in this case. Meaning most certainly 500 hp or more from the LLT.

If I had a limitless supply of money, I'd buy the V6 and drop in lower CR pistons and the supercharge it with one of the new maggy 1900's at about 5-7 psi of boost. Then a full exhaust and a full suspension. Plenty of power, plenty of fun, and it would pull really good mileage too (probably better than the LLT does already since it would be lower CR).
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You are right,put we came to the same # 500+ HP
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That gasket....

I don't like those plastic and orange gasket's. They tend to melt. It should be metal framed like some of the Fel Pro kits that have fixed past GM gaskets.

IMO* maybe it's cool enough so it won't melt. Or they could have improved material.
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Not quite effective math, but it should provide a bottom line. Not all of the strain is split evenly per cylinder - the net horsepower output is actually less than the sum of its parts (the strain on each cylinder), in this case. Meaning most certainly 500 hp or more from the LLT.

If I had a limitless supply of money, I'd buy the V6 and drop in lower CR pistons and the supercharge it with one of the new maggy 1900's at about 5-7 psi of boost. Then a full exhaust and a full suspension. Plenty of power, plenty of fun, and it would pull really good mileage too (probably better than the LLT does already since it would be lower CR).
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if you are going thru all that trouble (with limitless supply of moolah), why not throw in some methanol injection and run 10-12 psi?
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if you are going thru all that trouble (with limitless supply of moolah), why not throw in some methanol injection and run 10-12 psi?
Meh, because its more things to go wrong and I'd rather be spending my limitless supply of money on other things, like bailing out GM, or buying myself a limitless supply of jellybeans.
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Meh, because its more things to go wrong and I'd rather be spending my limitless supply of money on other things, like bailing out GM, or buying myself a limitless supply of jellybeans.
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yeah, but if you've got the money, then you can pay to make sure it doesnt go wrong.
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