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Old 03-10-2009, 09:57 PM   #1
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V6 Constraint

Does anybody know when the V6 is coming off constraint? Or does anyone have any idea?
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:23 PM   #2
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I talked to my dealer yesterday, and he said his GM rep had been in earlier and told him he didn't expect the V6 to be on constraint much longer. Also they expect the V6 constraint to be lifted before CGM - my dealer moved my order up to #2 (was #3) because customer #2 wants CGM. OK, for all I know it may be but my dealer has been straight with me so far. He thinks I should get my car by late May/early June.
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GM said that it would take about a month for the one-per-dealer cars to be built so therefore it would make sense that the constraint lasts a month. If that's the case, this week would be the last week of constraint and LS/LT orders would begin moving along next Thursday the 19th (actually getting submitted Tuesday the 24th).
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:49 AM   #4
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I changed my order from 1LT/RS CGM to 1LT/RS BLACK just in case the V6 constraint is lifted before the CGM constraint. I agree they should be on constraint this week and maybe next week at the most.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:57 AM   #5
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GM said that it would take about a month for the one-per-dealer cars to be built so therefore it would make sense that the constraint lasts a month. If that's the case, this week would be the last week of constraint and LS/LT orders would begin moving along next Thursday the 19th (actually getting submitted Tuesday the 24th).
I think it is very stupid to piss off people with sold orders and make dealer cars first. Stupid decisions have got them where they are today. I bought my first new Chevy in'62. They push my 2LT back much longer and I will be the proud owner of my first Infiniti G37.
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I think it is very stupid to piss off people with sold orders and make dealer cars first. Stupid decisions have got them where they are today. I bought my first new Chevy in'62. They push my 2LT back much longer and I will be the proud owner of my first Infiniti G37.
Yeah, I'm driving a 2007 infinity G35s right now. Very similar torque/HP/weight/MPG numbers to the V6 Camaro. If this infinity were a 6-speed manual I would be very tempted to keep it considering the way V6 Camaros have been handled. I've already been skipped over twice because of the constraints and it's quite frustrating.
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I think it is very stupid to piss off people with sold orders and make dealer cars first. Stupid decisions have got them where they are today.
You're an expected buyer. You know what this car's about; the performance value, the style, heritage, and emotional value -- and you know that you want it, or you wouldn't be here....

Given that, wouldn't it be more stupid to *not* have at least one DRIVEABLE car on dealer's lots for everyone else? Think about it -- "Hi, you want a Camaro? Well, we have 11+ thousand enthusiast cars all piled up in the cue, so you'll have to wait about a month to even test drive one...oh, you won't buy a car you can't drive...:(...."

I'm not ordering right now...so maybe I'm just not feeling the mounting frustration and anxiety like you are...but I see this decision as a smart one, with unfortunate side-effects...
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:31 PM   #8
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"Hey do you want to test drive this shiny new showroom camaro? okay!

What?!?! you want to buy one? well i'll just have to put you on the list, we are still only getting sold orders in.."

what's the point of a showroom car when they can't buy one off the lot?
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The plain truth is the way they went about it could have been handled better. I'm fine with constraining cars so they can build the dealer cars. I just think they should have done an even constraint split across sold V6 orders and V8 orders. Or not done a constraint at all and just limited dealer allocations.
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The only problem with that is that most of the orders are for V8's and GM was planning on a 50/50 build. In order to make sure they use the supplies they have, they decided to add an extra 5,000 V6's for the dealers to even the ration back out to 50/50. It's efficiency, that's all.
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just not feeling the mounting frustration and anxiety like you are...but I see this decision as a smart one, with unfortunate side-effects...
I think this a good move by GM. They will sell many more Camaros if the general public can see then and sit in them at dealerships. Yes you could argue that when people see these cars on the road that is as good of an ad as anything. However by building the V8's first people will see the performance of the Camaro, and hopefully will go to a dealer to check one out. Most of these people would not buy a car they have not sat in or test drove, so GM would lose a lot of business here. Also the V6 looks a lot better on paper (or the vehicle info sheet taped to the window) than the V8 to the common consumer primarily due to the mileage, while still having a respectable 300 horses. The constraint won't last much longer so just keep the faith for another 2 weeks or so, in the scope of things that really isnt that long considering how long many of us have waited. And don't tell me GM is lying to you or tricking you by making dealer cars first, they never said anything about that other than you should have your car by Sept 09.

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"Hey do you want to test drive this shiny new showroom camaro? okay!

What?!?! you want to buy one? well i'll just have to put you on the list, we are still only getting sold orders in.."

what's the point of a showroom car when they can't buy one off the lot?
So they can order one! I know a fair number of people who never would buy a lot car even if it is pretty close to what they want since it has probably been "abused" through test drives and such. True many people may be put off when they learn that if they ordered when to go to their local Chevy dealer that they won't get their car for a good 6 months at least, but raking in the customers that will wait is better than none.
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well i might just get lucky and my dealer is most likely going to sale me the showroom v6 when they get it in so i dont have to wait till the end of the year to get my (my dealer only had 2 allocations) so im hoping for good news cuz that means i could be drivin my camaro soon!!!!
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Dealers won't be hanging onto these cars letting customers test drive them. They'll be sold to the first person that offers them a boatload of cash.
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yeah i told them i got a fat down and well get all the paper work done before the car even gets in (my cousin being the finance lady helps to) but does anyone know a good e.t.a of when i could have this car if they will sale it to me??
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Early May at the latest I guess.
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hey I have a company that is almost out bankrupt...whats the smart decision? to give the first cars to each dealership that so they can have a car to play with rather than making the cars that people put there down payment on half a year ago.....just when I think gm cant do anything else stupid....

what people are getting impatient and cancelling their orders and buying challengers and z370's....gee who could see that happening.
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I think it is very stupid to piss off people with sold orders and make dealer cars first. Stupid decisions have got them where they are today. I bought my first new Chevy in'62. .
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The only problem with that is that most of the orders are for V8's and GM was planning on a 50/50 build. In order to make sure they use the supplies they have, they decided to add an extra 5,000 V6's for the dealers to even the ration back out to 50/50. It's efficiency, that's all.

HMMMMMMMMMM.......Really? If that was the case...what would be the difference in adding the 5,000 to the back of the line instead of in front of it?
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Dealers won't be hanging onto these cars letting customers test drive them. They'll be sold to the first person that offers them a boatload of cash.
I want to say there's an agreement between the dealer network and GM that these cars are meant for showrooms and test drives up until a certain date...but I can't say it for sure...

Look, we...enthusiasts...are the unusual variable here. There weren't 11000+ PREorders for the Traverse, or the Malibu....but we've single-handedly soaked up more than 10% (if not 15%) of the expected sales numbers for this car before it even goes into production!! Be that as it may, we don't have more priority than any other buyer because THAT would be stupid of them...it's part of the reason the 4th gen died out, after all. :(

In the end, here's what happenening...80% of enthusiasts are getting their cars ASAP. 100% of average consumers are getting a chance to drive one of these things and fall in love with it. Yes...some of you are getting the short end of the stick...but that's just the way the cards fell, as you can't please everyone. So please don't take it so personally -- all this coming from an enthusiast myself. :(

It's a temporary thing, besides...so just hang in there!!!
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I want to say there's an agreement between the dealer network and GM that these cars are meant for showrooms and test drives up until a certain date...but I can't say it for sure...
There's an implied hope from GM that the dealers will hold them til at least the "unveiling" event on May 6th. But even standup guys like CamaroScotty will be unloading their v6 car when he gets it. Why do you think that other dealers, many a little shady, would actually do the "right" thing and hold onto their cars? They're going to do whatever makes them money. GM even said that the cars are the dealers', they can do whatever they want with them. 95% of them will be long gone within a couple weeks of them getting them (probably a ton will have them unloaded within a day or 2).
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I tend to think opposite....this car is the ultimate attention-grabber...I'm thinking the smart dealers will hang on to them...get a couple sales off the more trusting buyers, and then dump the car as a used vehicle in ~a month.

Who can really say, though...it'll be interesting to see the end result of this decision.
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I think your all wrong..... and all right. GM will come down with an ideal scenario for their dealer models then each dealer will actually do what they think is best for them. Some may hold, some may sell. What we think will play out in some locations and won't in others. With 3500 dealers you can bet not everyone will be marching to the same drum unless GM attaches some serious conditions with repercussions if those conditions are not met.

So, with this in mind if anyone sees one at a dealership on the floor lets us all know so anyone that may be close can get a chance to be touchy, feely.

Aside from that, like you Dragon, I am not ordering yet. Waiting for CGM and maybe HUD, and with so many in the que maybe even longer. For me, it is all okay as long as we can keep the Camaro alive and kicking for awhile. GM needs to sell what it can, when it can and prove American companies can make cars the public wants. We want the Camaro!
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