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Old 06-23-2011, 09:01 PM   #301
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i heard from a birdy locally its supposed to be around 600hp, and this birdy has reliable sources.
In other words, a friend of a friend of yours says ...
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Old 06-23-2011, 09:02 PM   #302
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i heard from a birdy locally its supposed to be around 600hp, and this birdy has reliable sources.
I'm seriously doubting anything over 570.

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Old 06-23-2011, 10:57 PM   #303
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i heard from a birdy locally its supposed to be around 600hp, and this birdy has reliable sources.
Rampant speculation, but enjoyable to consider.

I hope your birdy is reliable. That would fall under the "I'm officially astounded" umbrella, as has been previously spoken of. It is however, entirely possible.

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>I don't want people to think that we're ready to 'rest' - the Camaro team is NEVER satisfied - and we will continue to work on improvements. (...hint: The ZL1 will be a 'shock and awe' kind of car. We were out at Milford Proving Ground last week with both the manual and automatic transmission cars - and when I say "Ultra-Grin" - I MEAN ULTRA GRIN!)
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Old 06-24-2011, 05:29 PM   #305
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I'm seriously doubting anything over 570.
I think we're going to see it somewhere between 570 & 590. I won't be disapointed if its 'only' 568 but based on what we've heard about the ZL1, I expect at least 570.
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Old 06-24-2011, 06:35 PM   #306
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I"m hoping for like 585 HP, thing is Thier still testing right?
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:21 AM   #307
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In other words, a friend of a friend of yours says ...
no a friend that works at said place, and is sourced out to said meetings.

who is said reliable. and it was said numbers to the crank. so take 20 percent off it and theres your wheel power.
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:58 PM   #308
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no a friend that works at said place, and is sourced out to said meetings.

who is said reliable. and it was said numbers to the crank. so take 20 percent off it and theres your wheel power.
Either way, it looks like you're still the 3rd person in the chain.

btw, 20% loss sounds pretty high, even for an automatic. 13-14% for manuals & 17-18% for auto's seem to be about the norm these days.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:15 PM   #309
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ok well, just for sh%ts and grins im going to estimate 619hp at the crank. dont ask me why that's just my guess.
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Yes!!!!!!! I hope it gets the same hp as the manual- either way this a great news
X2, I'm with you, I'm excited about the automatic..........................
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ok well, just for sh%ts and grins im going to estimate 619hp at the crank. dont ask me why that's just my guess.
It sounds high to me, but I hope that you're right!
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Does anyone know if they certified the lsa engine before they started putting it in the CTS-V?
Meaning did the certify the hp & tq numbers.
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Every new car has certified HP and torque numbers. The CTS-V is 556 HP/551 Ft-lbs. It will be certified again specifically for the ZL1, each car needs to have the engine certified. GM may/can add more power to the LSA for the ZL1.
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No, actually they don't. SAE (HP) certification is different than EPA (Pollutants and MPG) certification. They must be EPA certified in the vehicle, SAE certification is not mandated.
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Does anyone know if they certified the lsa engine before they started putting it in the CTS-V?
Meaning did the certify the hp & tq numbers.
GM uses the SAE certification on all their engines

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Every new car has certified HP and torque numbers. The CTS-V is 556 HP/551 Ft-lbs. It will be certified again specifically for the ZL1, each car needs to have the engine certified. GM may/can add more power to the LSA for the ZL1.
GM is adding more power to the LSA in the ZL1. But just because they do that doesn't mean they have to recertify the engine. Look at the V6 Camaro. Initially, it borrowed the 304 rating from the CTS then they certified it a year later in the Camaro at 312. They didn't change anything from 2010 to 2011, but the Camaro setup breathed a little better than it did in the CTS so it always made more power.

That said, since GM has said that the ZL1 will make more power than the CTS-V, we know that they'll re-certify for the Camaro.
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GM is adding more power to the LSA in the ZL1. But just because they do that doesn't mean they have to recertify the engine. Look at the V6 Camaro. Initially, it borrowed the 304 rating from the CTS then they certified it a year later in the Camaro at 312. They didn't change anything from 2010 to 2011, but the Camaro setup breathed a little better than it did in the CTS so it always made more power.

That said, since GM has said that the ZL1 will make more power than the CTS-V, we know that they'll re-certify for the Camaro.
Plus...figure they'll want the highest-possible advertised power levels for the ZL1...and they don't advertise uncertified numbers.
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Old 06-28-2011, 08:05 PM   #318
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You think they are going to sacrifice some of the longevity of the LSA do get more power out of it, or do you think we could expect the same 270+ hrs of WOT before failure?
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You think they are going to sacrifice some of the longevity of the LSA do get more power out of it, or do you think we could expect the same 270+ hrs of WOT before failure?
I expect most of the tweaks for more power will be by way of free-er breathing...if they fiddle with anything internal it becomes a question of "does this require a new engine designation"? I mean...look at the L99...it's an LS3 with AFM, but it's considered a completely different engine because of it.

Anyways...I went around the world to make this point: If my assumptions are correct, and all they're doing is letting the engine breath more efficiently, then that's releasing some stress on the engine. "Freeing up horsepower", not forcing more out of it. I'd assume then, that yes - longevity is still very much there.

Though...if it varies by an hour or two, I won't buy it. Neah!!
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dont forget it's supercharged. they "could" turn the boost up a bit and let it breath better to get whatever that want out of it. Which is why i initally asked about the longivity being shortened.
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dont forget it's supercharged. they "could" turn the boost up a bit and let it breath better to get whatever that want out of it. Which is why i initally asked about the longivity being shortened.
They could...but I imagine that would start to fall under that new engine problem I raised. LSA has a designed boost level that, together with the rest of the engine meets or exceeds internal testing and validation to be covered under the 100,000 mile warranty. If you change that (boost being a big part of "that")...you've essentially changed the whole engine, because now you'd need a new fuel calibration, timing, etc...

They've said we don't know the majority of the details surrounding the ZL1, yet...it'll be VERY interesting to see what they've managed to pull together and how they got there.
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How much more could there possibly be? We already know about the auto trans, PTM, New Gen MRC, areodynamic changes, lighter wheels, i mean how much more could there really be? If we still dont know much about the car i really cant wait for this things details to be released!
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How much more could there possibly be? We already know about the auto trans, PTM, New Gen MRC, areodynamic changes, lighter wheels, i mean how much more could there really be? If we still dont know much about the car i really cant wait for this things details to be released!
I've been thinking about the same thing. To me, the things that remain, that are the most important, are the power, weight, and what the rest of the drivetrain looks like. For example: are we really getting a 14-bolt, and if so, what's the ring gear diameter? Are we getting fortified suspension components, like control arms, trailing arms, etc.? How much weight has all this technology and go-fast-goodness added to the car and has GM implemented enough lightweight materials to offset that mass? How much power are we getting? 570, 580, 590 horsepower? Will that be enough to keep the Philly from Dearborn at bay until the next generations come in a few years?
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The more and more i think about it the more and more i'm thinking that it is going to be very very difficult for GM to keep this car in a competive price range. I know i know. They have said it will be competive price wise but im really starting to think upper 50's at this point. Especally if they manage to keep the weight down. That stuff doesnt come cheap. JMO but i think they may be over the price that they initally wanted to offer this car at and that is another reason that they decided to go with the SSX wheels as the standard and the silver/machined wheels as the option. JMVHO

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