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Old 06-13-2011, 05:41 AM   #176
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Any word what the rear axle ratio will be? If memory serves me right, both stick and auto CTS-V's with the LSA have a 3.73:1 gear ratio, right? That outta be fun.
There looks to be a bit of confusion here on the rear axle ratio of the automatic Vs... it is 3.23:1, not 3:73 gearset that's in the manual.
However, the way the V is set up. 1st gear is 4.03:1 as opposed to the manual's 2.66:1 1st gear.
The automatic V starts in 2nd gear unless the tranny is put in Sport Mode - and then it starts in 1st.

Here are the basic differences, courtesy Gary Wells on the CTS-
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Manual trans (M6): Tremec TR6060 6 speed manual,
fully synchronized with single overdrive (MG9):
Gear ratios (:1) 1st: 2.66, 2nd: 1.78, 3rd: 1.30, 4th: 1.00,
5th: 0.80, 6th: 0.63, final: 3.73, reverse: 2.90

Gas Guzzler (GG) tax of $1300, or half that of the A6
Faster by 16 MPH (191 MPH versus 175 MPH (governed))
A tad slower in the 1/4 & on the street
A tad better *mileage* than the *auto* but probably not significant
About 38 more RWHP than the auto on the average
About 30 more RWTQ that the auto
About 95 lbs lighter that the auto
No remote start feature
Has “no lift-shift” feature



Automatic trans (A6): Hydra-matic 6L90E 6 speed
electronically controlled automatic overdrive with
torque converter clutch (MYD): Gear ratios (:1) 1st:
4.03, 2nd: 2.36, 3rd: 1.53, 4th: 1.15, 5th: 0.85, 6th: 0.67,
final: 3.23, reverse: 3.06

Gas Guzzler (GG) tax of $2600, or twice that of the M6
Slower by 16 MPH (175 MPH (governed) versus 191 MPH)
A tad quicker in the 1/4 & on the street
A tad worse mileage than the manual but probably not significant
About 38 less RWHP than the manual on the average
About 30 less RWTQ that the manual on the average
About 95 lbs more that the manual
Remote start feature
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:04 AM   #177
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This is what you post in your sig.

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If you plan on blowing doors off ZL1's 11.7@117 aint gonna cut it...and if the ZL1 is even slightly modded. Game over.
Very old sig.......way before motor swap and new cam along with more boost. Try low 10s.....thanks though
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:11 AM   #178
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I can't see anyone buying an SS and then spending (lots) of money to add S/C, breaks, cooling system, suspension work, exhaust, tune and etc. where they can buy a brand new factory warranty ZL1. Anyone who wants a hi performance car, this is it. P E R I O D !!!

I don't like the heat extractor on the ZL-1, and the 4 exhausts, don't know...

Think Bumblebee, and that's my "ideal" Camaro (I know it's a G8 with a bodykit).
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Old 06-13-2011, 09:19 AM   #179
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It says 3.73 axle ratio in that Febuary thread,,,,and it also says that a 6 speed Automatic transmission will be optional.

Did everyone miss that one??! So it's been out there for a while.
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3.73 gears was announced then, but I'm sure the thread was recently updated with the auto tranny announcement yesterday. As facts come out, radz28 usually updates and is on top of it
^^^ This ^^^ I think I updated that thread Saturday night or Sunday morning I do my best to keep my finger on the pulse of all things ZL1
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Old 06-13-2011, 09:20 AM   #180
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Wink Thank you GM.. THIS IS YOUR MOONSHOT

And thanks to all those who take the time to participate and share on this forum.

The announcement (though unofficial) is truly showing that those in charge know this IS THEIR MOONSHOT.

With everything else going on globally, and those who remember getting long in the tooth, THIS IS THE MOONSHOT.

Watching history and being able to get a piece of it is AWESOME.

Wow

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Old 06-13-2011, 09:46 AM   #181
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All this negative bs going on, I feel honored with people quoting me, it making the front page, reposting my videos...


thanks, I thought I was passing on subtle info people would think was cool..... not "important" information
I don't think you quite understand the importance of what you shared to some people here, me included

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And thanks to all those who take the time to participate and share on this forum.

The announcement (though unofficial) is truly showing that those in charge know this IS THEIR MOONSHOT.

With everything else going on globally, and those who remember getting long in the tooth, THIS IS THE MOONSHOT.

Watching history and being able to get a piece of it is AWESOME.

Wow

It's the people that make this forum. However, it's GM that's given us something to come together about, so KUDOS TO EVERYONE!!!
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Old 06-13-2011, 11:14 AM   #182
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There is no way that the GM car guys will let other aftermarket companies out do their version of the supercharged Camaro. This will be the car to buy,drive and keep! This is the the one that we have all been waiting for! I am very excited about this model as they want to keep the aftermarket guys in their rear view mirror!
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:06 PM   #183
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I would like to see an option like the 69 zl1 where it is bare with no radio or anything that, just you and the car and that sweet engine and exhaust sound
In my opinion, that's what they should do with the Z28!

LS7, M6 only (I don't believe that I just said that ) and void of all unnecessary weight! Make it a KILLER street legal race car (kind of like the Z06 is, but be able to do delets onn the otions list, such as radio, etc).

It would be similar to the 1LE cars in the late 80's, early 90's, except MUCH more Potent! Just a thought!
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:18 PM   #184
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There is no way that the GM car guys will let other aftermarket companies out do their version of the supercharged Camaro. This will be the car to buy,drive and keep! This is the the one that we have all been waiting for! I am very excited about this model as they want to keep the aftermarket guys in their rear view mirror!
I agree that this car will be an awesome one, but I know some of the aftermarket stuff is better than factory. Axles, brakes, and supercharger being just a few......but should be a great priced car unless the mark ups start up.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:38 PM   #185
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Man thank God in heaven they are making the ZL1 women friendly! HAHAHAHAHA! LOL! OK dont get toO mad lol just making jokes ladies, that was really more directed at males that want an automatic HAHAHAHAHA!

ROFL!
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:39 PM   #186
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The ZL1 will be a MONSTER out of the box. The engineers at GM are making it harder and harder for those of us in the automotive aftermarket, but not impossible

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Old 06-13-2011, 01:49 PM   #187
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Man thank God in heaven they are making the ZR1 women friendly! HAHAHAHAHA! LOL! OK dont get toO mad lol just making jokes ladies, that was really more directed at males that want an automatic HAHAHAHAHA!

ROFL!

How so? Automatics are prefered method of drag racers due to the fact that it is consistant for race times.

I have a M6 in my SS, yeah it's fun and I love it, but if I want to get better times and not be all over the place I'll buy an auto for the ZL-1.

Plus stop and go traffic on a manual sucks monkey butt.
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How so? Automatics are prefered method of drag racers due to the fact that it is consistant for race times.

I have a M6 in my SS, yeah it's fun and I love it, but if I want to get better times and not be all over the place I'll buy an auto for the ZL-1.

Plus stop and go traffic on a manual sucks monkey butt.
Ehh just goofing off man, like Chevy vs Ford or 6 banger vs V8, the old argument of manual vs auto is just fun lol. Personally I don't take any of it too seriously in addition I just drive my car for the smiles per hour! I happen to love manuals. I don't seriously race nor do I intend to. I do think all those arguments are entertaining in some of the silly responses some people post. Anyways enjoy what ever you like! It's your car after all! I would agree I wouldn't want a manual if I daily drove in downtown San Fransisco for example lol, the hills + trafic are murder!


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Old 06-13-2011, 02:19 PM   #189
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I agree with you 100%, buy what you like! That's why we have a lot of choices for the Camaro.

I bought mine as a M6 becuase I wanted to have a lower vehicle payment and I didn't want my wife to drive it. She would destroy my car if she tried to drive a manual.

But now that I have see what goes on with drag racing, I am leaning more twards the auto. I have driven my car in heavy stop and go traffice for a few hours, I didn't enjoy it to much. (Left leg was getting tired!)
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that's awesome the ZL1 is getting better and better
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Old 06-13-2011, 03:16 PM   #191
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Man thank God in heaven they are making the ZL1 women friendly! HAHAHAHAHA! LOL! OK dont get toO mad lol just making jokes ladies, that was really more directed at males that want an automatic HAHAHAHAHA!

ROFL!


First off congratz on your purchase of your camaro! I know your joking about the automatic versus the manual transmission debate and the wife
acceptance factor.

For me personally even though I'm married and all it's like hmm I'll be 57
when I buy this car. Do I want to row the gears when I'm in my sixties,
I mean it's been since the early 80's that I drove a stick. When my wife and I test drove an SS manual earlier in the year, I stalled out several
times and shifter gears from second to third was difficult. I read on the forums that the manual at times was having it's problems. Hopefully the ZL1 will be easier to shift, I mean after twenty to thirty
minutes of shifting I was getting use to it. But the shear power of the SS
and launching it from the get go after driving honda's for 20 years is like
OMG. I can just imagine what it's going to be like with the ZL1.

My brother who is five years younger then me is drving a 2005 mustang GT and made a comment which kinda surprised me. He said the
only thing I regret doing at the time I bought this car was not buying an
automatic instead of a manual. He said intially the manual was alot of fun,
but the thrill wore off pretty quickly with the kind of traffic we have around here, and using the clutch has become more work then fun.

As far as my wife she has no desire to drive this car, but is very grateful
that the passenger side seat will be adjustable with the 2012 models. When we test drove the SS thats the one thing she complained about
which was she could not see over the hood. So now that this has been taken care of, everything is good in the world, THANKYOU GM!
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Old 06-13-2011, 03:40 PM   #192
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Any insights on how much higher the HP would be? I mean 556 is greater than 550, but the comments make it seem like it would be higher than the 556 number.
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Old 06-13-2011, 03:48 PM   #193
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Any insights on how much higher the HP would be? I mean 556 is greater than 550, but the comments make it seem like it would be higher than the 556 number.
No, he wouldn't elaborate on any specifics.... He just made is abundantly clear that the CTS-V was a starting point and it would be higher than that, and that they planned on destroying mustangs....lol I know the GT500 to come is supposed to be pretty healthy.... I mean, the CTS-V already beats the GT500 in performance on that platform..... and we are getting a lighter (hopefully) car than the CTS-V, better suspension, more downword force (which helps in handling, but hurts top end), better rims and rubber, etc.... I get so excited thinking about this..... I might be selling my truck.... anyone want a 2500HD crew cab that looks like brand new?
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Any insights on how much higher the HP would be? I mean 556 is greater than 550, but the comments make it seem like it would be higher than the 556 number.
I'm thinking 585 to possible 600, but just pure speculation on my part.
From the commenst they made recently at the Canada open house and
making referances that this will be a snake killer. Just have to wait and see, I mean thier still fine tuning this car and I have faith that the ZL1
will be worth the wait.
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Old 06-13-2011, 03:53 PM   #195
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I have been following this site since the Gen5 camaro came out. I don't know why I never joined, but all this ZL1 talk I guess was my push over the edge. I am looking forward to this car's release. I hope to get one eventually as a gift to me when I finish college in about a year and a half. If I cannot afford one I may just buy an SS then. It won't be a DD, but my weekend toy. I plan on keeping my Malibu as my DD for the MPG's I am getting. The option of the automatic announced made me very happy because I drive mostly in traffic where a manual would be tiring.
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am very happy to hear that

we will wait for the price

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First off congratz on your purchase of your camaro! I know your joking about the automatic versus the manual transmission debate and the wife
acceptance factor.

For me personally even though I'm married and all it's like hmm I'll be 57
when I buy this car. Do I want to row the gears when I'm in my sixties,
I mean it's been since the early 80's that I drove a stick. When my wife and I test drove an SS manual earlier in the year, I stalled out several
times and shifter gears from second to third was difficult. I read on the forums that the manual at times was having it's problems. Hopefully the ZL1 will be easier to shift, I mean after twenty to thirty
minutes of shifting I was getting use to it. But the shear power of the SS
and launching it from the get go after driving honda's for 20 years is like
OMG. I can just imagine what it's going to be like with the ZL1.

My brother who is five years younger then me is drving a 2005 mustang GT and made a comment which kinda surprised me. He said the
only thing I regret doing at the time I bought this car was not buying an
automatic instead of a manual. He said intially the manual was alot of fun,
but the thrill wore off pretty quickly with the kind of traffic we have around here, and using the clutch has become more work then fun.

As far as my wife she has no desire to drive this car, but is very grateful
that the passenger side seat will be adjustable with the 2012 models. When we test drove the SS thats the one thing she complained about
which was she could not see over the hood. So now that this has been taken care of, everything is good in the world, THANKYOU GM!

My long in the tooth daily driver of almost 10 years is a manual transmission. I live in the city and definitely know what stop and go traffic is like and it doesn't bother me one bit (except that traffic sucks regardless of what transmission you drive). There is not a single bit of doubt that I want a 6 speed ZL1.

I forgot who mentioned it in one of these manual vs auto threads, but they said that those that want manual know without a doubt that opting to row the gears is the right choice for them. For those that are unsure or are having second guesses (especially those that have experience with manual), the auto would likely be the best choice for them in the long run.

I think that person hit the nail on the head.
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Any insights on how much higher the HP would be? I mean 556 is greater than 550, but the comments make it seem like it would be higher than the 556 number.
If boost stays the same, I am guessing 575hp maybe 580hp on the high-end. IMVHO The ZL-1 main advantage over the GT-500 will be traction not really Horse Power. Stronger Axles, PTM, Magna Ride, 20x10 Front & 20x11 Rear wheels should keep the ZL-1 Glued to the road pretty well. Ford can give the GT-500 more HP but if it has a hard time getting it to the ground then it does not do much good, other than winning burnout competitions.
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So they know what it's going to cost but just aren't releasing the numbers yet.

Everybody brace for impact when this thing comes in at $56k :(
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http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...os-future_cars

Just saw this on caranddriver.com ...whoohoo!!! This is going to get very interesting now.
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