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Old 08-24-2011, 10:55 AM   #1
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1ZL1 or 2ZL1?

Since there has not been a plethora of news regarding the ZL1 recently, my mind has been free to drift to various Camaro thoughts.

One thing that I have noticed is that many people refer to their 5th Gen Camaros as 1LTs or 2LTs, or 1SSs or 2SSs, instead of just referring to them as simply LTs or SSs, in addition to notating the RS designation, where appropriate.

With the 1st Gen Camaros, one generally referred to them as simply RSs, SSs or Z28s, or RS/SSs or RS/Z28s, if appropriate, and sometimes the engine designation was used, such as L35, L34, or L78, especially with regard to the 396s, where multiple configurations of the 396 engine were available, but rarely did one refer to a 1st Gen Camaro with regard to its interior trim designation, such a Z23/SS or a Z87/Z28.

So my question is why do people tend to use the 1 and 2 trim level designation when referring to 5th Gen Camaros with regard to the LTs and SSs?

And since that seems to be the pattern with the 5th Gens, will people use the similar 1 and 2 designation with the ZL1, if 1 and 2 interior trim levels are available on the ZL1?
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:06 AM   #2
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The difference lies in the equipment. It used to be a Camaro SS with leather. Now, it's a 2SS Camaro. Adding the "2" makes the whole name simpler by explaining the equipment.

I expect the ZL1 to have 2 or 3 trim levels.
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I understand that the 1 versus 2 prefix difference is in the interior equipment/trim.

My question really is why with the 5th Gen Camaros does there appear to be a change in nomenclature, which now specifies the interior trim level when referring to the model, when that similar convention doesn't appear to be the case with the earlier models?

In other words, with the 5th Gen Camaros, individuals do seem to use the interior equipment designation when referring to their vehicle model, whereas that wasn't, and isn't, the standard practice with regard to the earlier model Camaros?

People didn't, and don't, refer to their 1st Gen Camaros as Z23/SSs or Z87/Z28s.
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I understand that the 1 versus 2 prefix difference is in the interior equipment/trim.

My question really is why with the 5th Gen Camaros does there appear to be a change in nomenclature, which now specifies the interior trim level when referring to the model, when that similar convention doesn't appear to be the case with the earlier models?

In other words, with the 5th Gen Camaros, individuals do seem to use the interior equipment designation when referring to their vehicle model, whereas that wasn't, and isn't, the standard practice with regard to the earlier model Camaros?

People didn't, and don't, refer to their 1st Gen Camaros as Z23/SSs or Z87/Z28s.
I think salespeople have gotten dumber over the years, and this is the only way to explain that equipment to them across the lineup. It has less to do with the Camaro than it has to do with the whole Chevy lineup.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:32 AM   #5
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One thing that I have noticed is that many people refer to their 5th Gen Camaros as 1LTs or 2LTs, or 1SSs or 2SSs, instead of just referring to them as simply LTs or SSs, in addition to notating the RS designation, where appropriate.

With the 1st Gen Camaros, one generally referred to them as simply RSs, SSs or Z28s, or RS/SSs or RS/Z28s,..
....good obseravtion Bear. From my feeble memory back in the day Camaro's were advertised as you mentioned. SS, RS, Z/28, LT...etc...The options were 'a plenty. Everything was ala carte. Almost everything was available seperately, not all bundled up in huge packages like today with a number suffix. Because of the bundling of option packages we have, the limited single options as opposed to yesteryear, and the way the cars are advertised as such with an option level number, I figure this is the way they will be and always will be referred to by most from here on out. Way back then I never recall ever hearing someone say they had "this or that" RPO next to the Camaro model. An LT was an LT, not a Z22.
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I think salespeople have gotten dumber over the years, and this is the only way to explain that equipment to them across the lineup. It has less to do with the Camaro than it has to do with the whole Chevy lineup.
I agree. I always know more about the car I am buying then the guy selling it.
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Old 08-24-2011, 12:18 PM   #7
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so true Pollock I went in to look at the new Passat yesterday (currently have a jet tdi as my wifes daily driver as they didn't have the Passat tdi when i bought the jetta) and the sales person was so set on selling me the car all they wanted to do was get me in to talk #'s then when we went in the sales manager says you cant buy the car until september 30th (thats when vw releases the cars to retail they are for display only now) and worse they asked me how to spell passat when filling out the info sheet.
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I expect the dealerships to add in a lot of stuff to the sticker price to boost their mark up during the first year. I going to wait till the hype dies down and buy then maybe in 2013 or later. Whatever is wrong with it in 2012 will be fixed in 2013 and more options will also come into play to keep the ZL1 saleable.
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All I know is I will have either a ZL1 or SS. There won't be an LSAMG92RSZL1 in my garage, lol!
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:42 AM   #10
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I think it is textspeak or twitter-twattol invading our language.
GM could have made this much simple AKA "LT=base V6 RS=Loaded V6
SS=base V8 and Z28=loaded V8" but someone somewhere told
them to appeal to a young demographic so now we got this cluster f
To deal with sorry oldschool camaro owners
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I'd say it's because that is the way Chevy lables them.
That being said to me it's an SS or LT.
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I think it will be just labeled as ZL1, with the option of having the suede inserts in the seats. In other words, you just click on camaro zl1 on the chevy website (when it arrives on there) and a whole checklist shows up of the options you want. Thats what I think will occur.
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All I know is I will have either a ZL1 or SS. There won't be an LSAMG92RSZL1 in my garage, lol!
SS? I thought you were sold on the ZL1. Has your thinking changed regarding the ZL1?

I think that a 3.73 ratio on ZL1 would qualify as a G92 performance axle ratio.
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SS? I thought you were sold on the ZL1. Has your thinking changed regarding the ZL1?

I think that a 3.73 ratio on ZL1 would qualify as a G92 performance axle ratio.
No if I have anything to do with it. What I want and what I can get are two different things and I'm just keeping an open mind
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No if I have anything to do with it. What I want and what I can get are two different things and I'm just keeping an open mind
Are you thinking that the ZL1 allocation is going to be limited enough that it will be difficult for many who want one to obtain one?

I can imagine that the initial ZL1 allocation could be somewhat limited, but after the initial startup production "glitches," if any, get resolved, I think the production line should be able to crank out enough ZL1s to get one in the hands of most enthusiasts who want one, if what Chevrolet officials have indicated about intended ZL1 production is accurate.

I've waited almost 6 years for a factory high performance 5th Gen Camaro so far, and I'm willing to wait a little longer after the first ZL1s are released to get my ZL1, if that's what it takes for the ZL1 allocation to catch up with demand.

I will be disappointed if ZL1 production is limited, for whatever reason, to the point that most hard core enthusiasts can't obtain one within the first year of production, given what has been stated by Chevrolet about likely ZL1 production.
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Are you thinking that the ZL1 allocation is going to be limited enough that it will be difficult for many who want one to obtain one?

I can imagine that the initial ZL1 allocation could be somewhat limited, but after the initial startup production "glitches," if any, get resolved, I think the production line should be able to crank out enough ZL1s to get one in the hands of most enthusiasts who want one, if what Chevrolet officials have indicated about intended ZL1 production is accurate.

I've waited almost 6 years for a factory high performance 5th Gen Camaro so far, and I'm willing to wait a little longer after the first ZL1s are released to get my ZL1, if that's what it takes for the ZL1 allocation to catch up with demand.

I will be disappointed if ZL1 production is limited, for whatever reason, to the point that most hard core enthusiasts can't obtain one within the first year of production, given what has been stated by Chevrolet about likely ZL1 production.
Absolutely not. I was agreeing that I think initally demand will be so high that it will be more difficult to get one GM has stated it will not be limited, so that's the way I'm looking at things. I'm thinking along the same lines as you
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