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Old 06-08-2012, 09:18 PM   #151
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All I can say is 'Good Luck.'

I'm currently 'installing' mine..



Fitment is a BITCH for any brand, and the fact that there's no crush on your TSP ORY may be seen as a blessing, but it'll also wind up a curse during install. Reason being that the crush helps the Y pipe mate easier with the collector on the headers. Doesn't affect the flow much as you'd think especially having seen how the crush 'works' on the pipe.

Namely the drivers side...

Pro shops I've talked to said that in almost all cases they've had to hand work the pipe to fit (be it cold or hot bending) as well as the Y pipes banging the floor boards when you really punch it. Some say the solution is a Y pipe support clamp (sort of like a muffler hanger) or to swap mounts out with either Poly or solid mounts.

In the end do the wise thing and DO MOUNTS WHILE THE HEADERS ARE OFF!! It'll help alleviate not only the banging but also any play the motor has via the probably now decimated rubber stock pieces.

And thank god TSP sent you two bolt clamps rather than the common-place single bolt band clamps you see some companies skate by with. OH, and if you're doing gaskets.. OEM uber alles. Nothing truly seals as well as the GM factory gaskets.
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:23 AM   #152
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All I can say is 'Good Luck.'

I'm currently 'installing' mine..



Fitment is a BITCH for any brand, and the fact that there's no crush on your TSP ORY may be seen as a blessing, but it'll also wind up a curse during install. Reason being that the crush helps the Y pipe mate easier with the collector on the headers. Doesn't affect the flow much as you'd think especially having seen how the crush 'works' on the pipe.

Namely the drivers side...

Pro shops I've talked to said that in almost all cases they've had to hand work the pipe to fit (be it cold or hot bending) as well as the Y pipes banging the floor boards when you really punch it. Some say the solution is a Y pipe support clamp (sort of like a muffler hanger) or to swap mounts out with either Poly or solid mounts.

In the end do the wise thing and DO MOUNTS WHILE THE HEADERS ARE OFF!! It'll help alleviate not only the banging but also any play the motor has via the probably now decimated rubber stock pieces.

And thank god TSP sent you two bolt clamps rather than the common-place single bolt band clamps you see some companies skate by with. OH, and if you're doing gaskets.. OEM uber alles. Nothing truly seals as well as the GM factory gaskets.
I haven't heard of anybody having to bend the pipe to make it fit.. I'll see when I get that far i guess.

Here's tonights progress. Didn't start till almost 9, so not a lot got done.. But got everything in the engine bay ready to take the manifolds out. Going to start early in the morning taking the old y pipe out and removing the cats and hopefully get the manifolds out before I have to go to work.





Went ahead and removed the pass. side coil pack to get some more room to get to that last headers bolt. Was gonna unbolt the drivers side, but the 5th bolt attaches to the AIR pump and it was a bitch trying to get it off, so we left it cause I'm keeping the AIR anyways..


And this is what happens when you barely have room to fit your hand to get the last plug wire out.. Busted my knuckle up pretty bad trying to get it. Glad I got new wires lol.


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Old 06-09-2012, 01:30 AM   #153
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Oh wow, you stripped it all down.. I didn't even take my coil packs off, let alone the whole air intake. Taking the AIR pump ot and everything?
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:33 AM   #154
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Oh wow, you stripped it all down.. I didn't even take my coil packs off, let alone the whole air intake. Taking the AIR pump ot and everything?
The only reason I took the coil packs off, is because of trying to get that wire out.. PITA.. No room to work with at all.. It's a world of difference with it off. May not seem like it but it did lol.. And the intake thing, ehh cause we we're going by some dudes writeup on LS1Tech(which is the best I've ever seen, detialed pics, etc.) and dad said just do it exactly how he did.

And no, leaving the air on, don't wanna throw any more codes then I'm alrready going too. And dad siad just leave it,, it's not hurting anything. And plus would have to find a plug for the intake..
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The only reason I took the coil packs off, is because of trying to get that wire out.. PITA.. No room to work with at all.. It's a world of difference with it off. May not seem like it but it did lol.. And the intake thing, ehh cause we we're going by some dudes writeup on LS1Tech(which is the best I've ever seen, detialed pics, etc.) and dad said just do it exactly how he did.

And no, leaving the air on, don't wanna throw any more codes then I'm alrready going too. And dad siad just leave it,, it's not hurting anything. And plus would have to find a plug for the intake..
Oh I got ya.. We got the plugs out from underneath so I didn't have to worry bout that. is the writeup youre talking about the ram air one? My headers are race type, so I couldn't leave m air on lol. I unhooked it in september and finally took the pump itself out today when I put my new turn lamps in
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:39 AM   #156
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Oh I got ya.. We got the plugs out from underneath so I didn't have to worry bout that. is the writeup youre talking about the ram air one? My headers are race type, so I couldn't leave m air on lol. I unhooked it in september and finally took the pump itself out today when I put my new turn lamps in
Nah it's by some guy.. It's called like Pacesetter Headers + TSP ORY + Motor mounts for dummies haha... Not a dummie here.. But it sure is helping me out.
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Nah it's by some guy.. It's called like Pacesetter Headers + TSP ORY + Motor mounts for dummies haha... Not a dummie here.. But it sure is helping me out.
I had that writeup bookmarked, thats what I used on mine too, but we obviously skipped a few steps
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:45 AM   #158
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I had that writeup bookmarked, thats what I used on mine too, but we obviously skipped a few steps
Yeah lol.. He unbolted the ac compressor and his belt? Did you have to unbolt the compressor to get the pass. side header in?
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Nope, the only things I took off were the old manifolds and the spark plugs lol
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:01 AM   #160
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Nope, the only things I took off were the old manifolds and the spark plugs lol
Didn't even have to disconnect the steering linkage? lol.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:42 AM   #161
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Yeah lol.. He unbolted the ac compressor and his belt? Did you have to unbolt the compressor to get the pass. side header in?
He unbolted damn near everything off the engine to get extra room.. 3rd one to be using that writeup here.

Helps but it's really up to how the headers go in and each individual car; hence the bending comment. It shouldn't be needed but somehow it happens, even if pacesetters have arguably the best fit for the price segment.

How much room did you get just pulling the coils and steering linkage? And clean those valve covers and coil packs! Shiny headers need a shiny engine bay. Lol
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He unbolted damn near everything off the engine to get extra room.. 3rd one to be using that writeup here.

Helps but it's really up to how the headers go in and each individual car; hence the bending comment. It shouldn't be needed but somehow it happens, even if pacesetters have arguably the best fit for the price segment.

How much room did you get just pulling the coils and steering linkage? And clean those valve covers and coil packs! Shiny headers need a shiny engine bay. Lol
I know haha. That's one reason why I did pull them is so I could clean them. 11 years can have some buildup under there

Haven't disonnected the steering linkage yet, but have heard it's pretty much a must to get them in, I will let you know. As far as the coil packs it really freed up some room on that passanger side. But if yours still has the 5th bolt on them....... good luck getting it out.. It's the last bolt, and its on the bottom in the back..... I was taking mine out, and looked at dad and said theres no way to get one out if it's there.. Mine didn't have it and it was holding fine on there so I'm not worried about putting one in there haha.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:13 PM   #163
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I'd suggest doing the LS6 PCV conversion since you've pulled the intake. Less than a $100 in parts.
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All I can say is 'Good Luck.'

I'm currently 'installing' mine..

Fitment is a BITCH for any brand, and the fact that there's no crush on your TSP ORY may be seen as a blessing, but it'll also wind up a curse during install. Reason being that the crush helps the Y pipe mate easier with the collector on the headers. Doesn't affect the flow much as you'd think especially having seen how the crush 'works' on the pipe.

Namely the drivers side...

Pro shops I've talked to said that in almost all cases they've had to hand work the pipe to fit (be it cold or hot bending) as well as the Y pipes banging the floor boards when you really punch it. Some say the solution is a Y pipe support clamp (sort of like a muffler hanger) or to swap mounts out with either Poly or solid mounts.

In the end do the wise thing and DO MOUNTS WHILE THE HEADERS ARE OFF!! It'll help alleviate not only the banging but also any play the motor has via the probably now decimated rubber stock pieces.

And thank god TSP sent you two bolt clamps rather than the common-place single bolt band clamps you see some companies skate by with. OH, and if you're doing gaskets.. OEM uber alles. Nothing truly seals as well as the GM factory gaskets.
Not true, My ARH's slid right in no problem. The Y-pipe took 20 minutes to install....you get what you pay for when it comes to header fitment.

GM MLS gaskets FTW, I bought a new set and have had no issues with it. I didn't do motor mounts, and got lucky on that one. Mine have 175k miles on them but still hold up well with no banging. They will be coming out though for some solid mounts when I do H/C here soon.

As for pulling stuff the only things I had to remove was the manifolds, spark plugs and dipstick to so the swap. Otherwise, there was plenty of room to work with and the headers slid up super easy. It was harder to get the manifolds off than it was to get the headers in!
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Not true, My ARH's slid right in no problem. The Y-pipe took 20 minutes to install....you get what you pay for when it comes to header fitment.

GM MLS gaskets FTW, I bought a new set and have had no issues with it. I didn't do motor mounts, and got lucky on that one. Mine have 175k miles on them but still hold up well with no banging. They will be coming out though for some solid mounts when I do H/C here soon.

As for pulling stuff the only things I had to remove was the manifolds, spark plugs and dipstick to so the swap. Otherwise, there was plenty of room to work with and the headers slid up super easy. It was harder to get the manifolds off than it was to get the headers in!
And that's why some of us pull extra stuff off because the curse fest that is getting those manifolds off in the first place sometimes lends well to a little elbow room; though I could see how you did it.

I'm a bigger guy so wrenching would have required me pulling all that stuff off in the end unlike you or LS-Z here. Should have it tied up by the end of the week; can't wait to put up a comparison to the Ebays/TSP ORY/ Magnaflow and my Pacesetter/Catted Y/TSP setup

As for the 5th coil bolt: Leave it off. Really has no business being there anyway..
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And that's why some of us pull extra stuff off because the curse fest that is getting those manifolds off in the first place sometimes lends well to a little elbow room; though I could see how you did it.

I'm a bigger guy so wrenching would have required me pulling all that stuff off in the end unlike you or LS-Z here. Should have it tied up by the end of the week; can't wait to put up a comparison to the Ebays/TSP ORY/ Magnaflow and my Pacesetter/Catted Y/TSP setup

As for the 5th coil bolt: Leave it off. Really has no business being there anyway..
True, I just twisted them around a bit and they eventually fell out. The drivers side one still had the cat connected because all the bolts stripped when I went to remove it.

It should sound great once you're done. I don't have the brackets yet being a '98 but the consensus I've seen is that bolt doesn't need put back on.
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Little update...

Been stumped since saturday on that last damn bolt... Got the drivers side coil pack off last night and that seemed to have been the trick.. But as my saturday was getting worse I dropped the 10mm short socket I need in between the windshield washer fluid thing and the front of the car... I've been working all day today and got out there about 9 and got the y pipe completely off the cats, and was working on getting it out of the i pipe.. But wd-40 isn't helping that much. So I'm going tomorrow when I get off at 3 to get a magnetic pole or something to get that socket, and to get some PB blaster.

I got the y pipe a little ways out of the i pipe, but was working by myself tonight and just couldnt get it slid out by myself. Any other tips to get it off besides force and pb blaster??

I'll take a pic tomorrow, but the U clamp that's on the y to i pipe I snapped one of the bolts completely off Good thing I got some more.

I'm gonna try and get it all removed tomorrow, and then it'll be ready for the headers to slip in, hopefully pretty easy lol..

Also, I've been getting Winter's help on this, but anybody got any tricks or tips for getting the last header bolt out? And no, from underneath isn't really an option.
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can you get it through the wheel well? might have to remove the wheel but you should be able to get access to it from there with the front of the car jacked up.
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can you get it through the wheel well? might have to remove the wheel but you should be able to get access to it from there with the front of the car jacked up.
I'll go try that real quick. Thanks.
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Swivel extension? I don't remember having any issues reaching any of the bolts.
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Didn't even give that a try lol. Got it ALL off. Wound up having to do it the old fashioned way, good thing dad use to work on a race team or we probably would have never got them off lol. We just used a socket wrench and switched between a short and deep 10mm socket and got them off by hand. Took a little while but it worked.
Here's some pics of tonights progress. Hoping to have it completely finished by Wednesday/Thursday.

Broke all 3 cat bolts on the drivers side. Pass. side slid out with the cat still attached.


And slid these up in without any problems. Didn't even have to remove the steering linkage. We were working it up and I said dang I forgot to unbolt the steering linkage, and then dad just pushed it on up there. I was like ok nevermind Everybody was saying that you pretty much had to, well I didn't just for anybody who is getting ready to do them.
And here they are all nice and pretty, with my new wires.
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Well it's finished. The only thing we didn't do our selves was the y pipe. Trying to get it to fit with the car on jack stands just wasn't working. So went to the exhaust shop and talked to a guy who owns an LS2 Goat. And he said he would do it for us. Figured it would be a lot easier on a lift. $75 to get it welded in. I trust welds more then those u clamps anyways. And it seems to have tucked the y pipe up a little better.

Here's the only picture I have so far, I will get one with a can or something tomorrow to show the clearance.


Videos of headers hooked up to Magnaflow do it no justice. I heard the videos and was thinking, this is gonna be too quiet... No, when you want it to be loud it will purr at you. I saw a lot of people complain about the rasp with ORY.. I like it.. Gives it that Corvette sound.

I will try and get some videos of it tomorrow.
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UPDATE:
Ordered my new headlights yesterday! Still haven't gotten around to getting a video of my exhaust. I'll try to get some tomorrow after work.
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Well it's finished. The only thing we didn't do our selves was the y pipe. Trying to get it to fit with the car on jack stands just wasn't working. So went to the exhaust shop and talked to a guy who owns an LS2 Goat. And he said he would do it for us. Figured it would be a lot easier on a lift. $75 to get it welded in. I trust welds more then those u clamps anyways. And it seems to have tucked the y pipe up a little better.

Here's the only picture I have so far, I will get one with a can or something tomorrow to show the clearance.


Videos of headers hooked up to Magnaflow do it no justice. I heard the videos and was thinking, this is gonna be too quiet... No, when you want it to be loud it will purr at you. I saw a lot of people complain about the rasp with ORY.. I like it.. Gives it that Corvette sound.

I will try and get some videos of it tomorrow.
ill trade you ground clearance!! lol
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That exhaust tucked really well. Mine tucked pretty good, but I am lower so ground clearance is still an issue.
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