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Old 06-16-2011, 09:33 PM   #52
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Once Ford regains or attempts to with the No.1 position, you'll see the Z-28 resurface just to keep GM #1. GM isn't going to release all the big guns at first, patience is virtue.

I personally think GM has what it takes to atleast make the Camaro #1 for atleast 5 years consectively...
honestly put add side the sale numbers, ford has the new 5.0L which is great, and the new Boss. i think ford is on top. and z06s and zr1 do not count in this. because they cost a lot more.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:05 PM   #53
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I hope ford gets everything straightened out with the plant. I would hate to see American workers lose their jobs and see another US factory close. My car preference is important to me but so is my national pride and for that I hope everything works out in flat rock.

That being said, where are all the stang humpers that said the mustang would be on top once the 5.0 comes out and people were just waiting in 2010 and that's why the Camaro won the sales title?? It's kind of weird being on this side of the fence. The mustang is the enthusiasts choice and the Camaro is the better car. It's like an opposite of the the late 90's except the cars are much more evenly matched in performance.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:10 PM   #54
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This is such awesome news. Just imagine if chevy actually starts playing Camaro commercials on TV, Mustangs will be done. All I saw every two seconds while I watch Fox ch. 5 is that mustang commercial. I never see a Camaro commercial. I don't like to see someone out of a job though. Everything about the Camaro is better, from looks, handle, speed, and its a CHEVY!
Frankly, wishing for/celebrating the percieved death of a competitor is pretty ignorant. This isn't bin Laden, or the Soviet Union, or Nazi Germany, or something even the least bit truly important. As someone who works in the aerospace industry where the stakes are quite a bit higher than the automotive industry, I don't hope for the end of my competitors - the company I work for wins some, we lose some, but it's the losses which keep us trying hard so that we CAN win as many sales and contracts as we can. Otherwise we just have monopoly which is bad for everyone, or have you forgotten how long Ford was able to punt the ball on the Mustang V6's 210hp engine, well into the time when minivans were making over 300hp? That's what the Camaro would become after half a decade or more of having no competitors - if it survived at all.

Whether or not this news did mean the "Mustang is done," which it doesn't, hoping that it did is pretty much a "fanboy" thing to say.

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That being said, where are all the stang humpers that said the mustang would be on top once the 5.0 comes out and people were just waiting in 2010 and that's why the Camaro won the sales title?? It's kind of weird being on this side of the fence. The mustang is the enthusiasts choice and the Camaro is the better car. It's like an opposite of the the late 90's except the cars are much more evenly matched in performance.
On the Mustang forums, probably, and how many Camaro defenders are there? Probably as few as there are Mustang defenders on Camaro5.

And the Mustang IS the better car in terms of straight-line performance and handling (styling and looks are subjective things, as is brand loyalty). The Camaro is still riding a wave of popularity from its concept debut and Transformers, which just goes to show that hp specs and quarter mile times aren't everything in deciding what car is "best" - not that most of us here would have admitted that a year or two ago when the Camaro was (nearly) undisputed king in ALL categories, before Dodge and Ford re-engined their competitors.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:30 PM   #55
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We better hope that the mustang doesn't go away. Competition breeds good cars. When the competition goes away so does the quality of the cars left and pretty soon they go too. Our cars will suffer if the mustang goes. Not to mention all the people that will be out of work.


A few key points:
Like what was said above, if one is gone then what does the other have to base anything that they do off of? Hum we need another model to compete with the gt500 so low and behold the ZL1. A lot of the decisions that are done are based of what the other has done, in the form of what they have done wrong and where the other can make it better, or their not doing this so we will.

I agree with one of the first comment made, bitter sweet is the best way to describe it, but no joke, the mustang needs a new revision bad. It needs a complete new restyle, its got to the point where they all look the same, and throw the solid rear axle away!

Also the comments were made that mustang wont go away and their the only ones that have had uninterrupted production, well maybe thats what has made the challenger, and especially the camaro what they are today! Maybe it took the phasing out to make the camaro bigger and better, and quite possibly its better now then what it ever could had been if it was never phased out and stayed in production. Just a thought???
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:54 PM   #56
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Ford has done this to them selves. The Mustang has gotten too dull. I've never cared for the look but damn they just don't do anything special at all. The F150 Will be next if they don't change something soon.

Come on Ford mix it up a little
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:02 PM   #57
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This is a somewhat cyclical industry. We know that Ford will come out with their redesign in 2014, and when they do, Camaro will be on it's fourth model year with the same design. It is very likely that Ford will once again take a strong lead. I love my Camaro, it is an awesome car. But so is the Mustang. The competition makes them both (and the Challenger) better cars.

They need to get their factory production capabilities worked out, maybe with another Ford model. It wouldn't make sense for Ford to shut down Mustang production. 73K cars is still significant. If they can keep their cost down and make it to 2014, they will be back in the game stronger than ever.
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I think we should all buy one of each. If my financial advisor would let me that is exactly what I would do. I want to add a Boss to my stable. While I am at it, I also like a car with a GPS and a sunroof. I would pick up a Challenger SRT8 too. Let's keep everybody working!
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:04 PM   #59
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On the Mustang forums, probably, and how many Camaro defenders are there? Probably as few as there are Mustang defenders on Camaro5.
I disagree with you. I would bet there are much more mustang humpers here than Camaro humpers on all the mustang sites combined.

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And the Mustang IS the better car in terms of straight-line performance and handling (styling and looks are subjective things, as is brand loyalty). The Camaro is still riding a wave of popularity from its concept debut and Transformers, which just goes to show that hp specs and quarter mile times aren't everything in deciding what car is "best" - not that most of us here would have admitted that a year or two ago when the Camaro was (nearly) undisputed king in ALL categories, before Dodge and Ford re-engined their competitors.
You can't tell me that the hype hasn't died down in over 2 years. That argument holds no water any more. The mass public cars more about looks, quality and image than straight-line performance and handling. That is why the Camaro is out selling the mustang now and the mustang outsold the Camaro in the LS1 days. The mustang is a better performing car, not a better overall car.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:12 PM   #60
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I don't know, looks like the mustang did just fine while the camaro was on a 7-8 year hiatus.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:23 PM   #61
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yeah i hate to see any jobs jeopardized, but...after the Camaro being gone several years and the mustang declard the ponycar victor...i don't have any sympathy for mustang fans or ford.
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Old 06-17-2011, 12:52 AM   #62
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The Ford dealership in town has already sold its allotment of 2012 Bosses and Shelbys. I test drove a 5.0 today. It was a dealer trade because our dealer cannot keep enough. BTW, it sounds like I wish my SS sounded stock. It was pretty quick, handled well, no issues shifting like I have heard about the Camaro, and was an interesting color (lava red). All in all, I thought it was a pretty nice vehicle; I hope they do not die.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:14 AM   #63
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This Camaro is obviously taken the nation by a storm. Coupled with the Transformers marketing, it is the premier sports car in America at the moment. In actuality, I think the Camaro's 8 year layoff actually helped because its return brought such an uproar of enthusiasts anticipating its return that it launched with a bang. The Mustang has always been around, yes it has been updated, but the Camaro of 2010 revolutionized the sports car.

Everybody sees Mustangs out there, but I still have people staring at my car, and even taking pictures of it. Nobody does that with a Mustang. Why? Because they see the Camaro as "that car in that cool Transformers movie." And that's a good thing. It's got such an aura that whenever I tell people I have a Camaro, they automatically have a connection with it. The Mustang is ingrained into our culture so it will always be there, but the Camaro has taken a leap in its status as not just Chevy's pony car, but America's pony car.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:32 AM   #64
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All this talk about feeling sorry and not wanting to see people loss their jobs really does not matter,,,,,,don't worry. Those people who stop working for ford because is downsizing will start working for Chev because they'll start reving up production.

Hope that does not happen, because WE NEED THE MUSTANG!!!!!!.....WE NEED SOMETHING TO BEAT!!!! THE MUSTANG plays that role!
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:50 AM   #65
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As much as I'd love to say "Suck it Mustang" -- I honestly can't.. Putting the smack down on a rival car is one thing, but I'm not going to cheer on the possibility of American workers being put in to unemployment just to brag on my own platform's success...

I'd rather they stay open and share the spot light with Mustang, than have even a single worker laid off..
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:58 AM   #66
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I disagree with you. I would bet there are much more mustang humpers here than Camaro humpers on all the mustang sites combined.


You can't tell me that the hype hasn't died down in over 2 years. That argument holds no water any more. The mass public cars more about looks, quality and image than straight-line performance and handling. That is why the Camaro is out selling the mustang now and the mustang outsold the Camaro in the LS1 days. The mustang is a better performing car, not a better overall car.

The Camaro hype may die down, but, like myself, I had to wait until January 2011 to get my car. I could've gotten something else, but I didn't. When you've got a hot car, you've got 5 years at least to make some serious money off it. Then you go to a re-design, will most likely make those buyers trade in their 3-4 year old Camaros for the new body style. That's what happens in the car business (being a former car salesmen), you get a buyer to love the car they're driving, and they tend to stick with it. I've sold numerous trucks/cars/suvs to the same buyers. They literally bought the same car (maybe different color/options) several times.
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guess the professional drivers who have tested this many times are wrong and you right. who would have known
Yeah, such as http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests maybe? Or http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...camaro-ss.html ? Maybe tons of them on youtube proving cars are identical? Even roadandtrack got 1/4 in ss.

Cmon loser, just admit u dont dont have a babe and driving mustang, so il just ingore u, like other trolls out there.

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Old 06-17-2011, 02:45 AM   #68
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I think more important then which car is faster is the fact that most of the times the cars are not driven in a way where it makes a difference.

I think we put too much into car rag test when it comes to sells, I bet most people can't tell you the difference between the Mustang and Camaro in any performance area.

In this market what is selling these cars is not bragging rights, instead its style and the Camaro just has more of it. Though you can't go wrong with either car.
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