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Old 06-17-2011, 07:37 AM   #76
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:02 AM   #77
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Yeah, such as http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests maybe? Or http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...camaro-ss.html ? Maybe tons of them on youtube proving cars are identical? Even roadandtrack got 1/4 in ss.

Cmon loser, just admit u dont dont have a babe and driving mustang, so il just ingore u, like other trolls out there.
Yup, road & Track also had the SS faster - http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...acc2eca750.pdf

2 of the 3 major Automotive magazines tested the SS faster than the GT.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:22 AM   #78
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IMVHO the problem isn't really mustang sales (there only like 10,000 units behind) its the fact that they are looseing production of the Mazda 6. In any case, no way in hell would Ford pull the plug on the mustang. I think they are going to try and make it untill the redesign.
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the camaro is not the reason why the plant may close.
the reason is the now dead joint venture to build the mazda 6 there, its only logical to see why the mustang has lost sales to the camaro. the car is 7 years old and competing quite well with a relatively new camaro.
I think you two are the only ones who actually read the article.

The joint venture between Ford and Mazda is ending, and the Mazda 6 that's built at Flat Rock along with the Mustang is ending production there. Mustang sales alone aren't enough to sustain the plant. What they do with the plant is anyones guess, but the Mustang isn't going away.

BTW, why isn't this in one of the mega threads? Oh, it's a bashing thread..


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Old 06-17-2011, 08:25 AM   #79
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:41 AM   #80
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Why doesn't Ford just use the Mustang platform to make a sporty RWD Lincoln which can have a price premium?
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:32 AM   #81
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Early next year, GM plans to roll out a ZL1 Camaro with a 550-horsepower engine, matching Ford's Shelby GT500 version of the Mustang that starts at $48,810, according to Edmunds.
anyone else notice this....?
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:38 AM   #82
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Why doesn't Ford just use the Mustang platform to make a sporty RWD Lincoln which can have a price premium?
Hmmmm if you didn't know Lincoln isn't doing very good for Ford. They are looking at how to get that brand back on track, so no need to do that and sink money into a brand that's trying to find it's way again.
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48,810 Base price (2011 GT500).
How easy is it to get a new GT500 for this price? Just curious because I really don't know.
The as tested price is always $53K - $55K for the Coupe in all the mags.

The as tested price for the Camaro SS is usually around 37k.

That's a $15K - $17K as tested price difference (which is pretty substantial).
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:25 AM   #84
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The problem with this post is the Camaro IS winning, whereas Charlie Sheen is a loser that just claims to be winning, sort of like most of the ford fanatics on here...
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Kinda hard to believe cause I can't throw a rock w/o seeing a mustang.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:04 PM   #86
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The story really isn't about the Mustang. It's about the Flat Rock assembly plant not being at capacity. Mustang sales have been down but steady through the recession. The bigger story is Mazda taking their production needs out of the factory.

Mustang isn't in jepordy but it being the only vehicle built at Flat Rock is. Ford will probably have to determine if they can add another vehicle to Flat Rock or move Mustang production into another plant based on cost effectiveness.
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Looks like its time to make the Boss 302 a little less limited. I'm glad we're outselling them but I hope they find a way to figure things out, which I'm sure they will. A better Mustang=a better Camaro. The competition always brings out the best in the automakers. Look how much the Mustang has improved since the Camaro's release. A new body style with IRS should do the trick.
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the camaro is not the reason why the plant may close.
the reason is the now dead joint venture to build the mazda 6 there, its only logical to see why the mustang has lost sales to the camaro. the car is 7 years old and competing quite well with a relatively new camaro.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:14 PM   #89
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The story really isn't about the Mustang. It's about the Flat Rock assembly plant not being at capacity. Mustang sales have been down but steady through the recession. The bigger story is Mazda taking their production needs out of the factory.

Mustang isn't in jepordy but it being the only vehicle built at Flat Rock is. Ford will probably have to determine if they can add another vehicle to Flat Rock or move Mustang production into another plant based on cost effectiveness.
What's interesting to me, according to this article, Mazda owns half of the Flat Rock factory. So will Mazda add another vehicle to replace the 6? Will Ford buy Mazda's share of the factory to add one or more vehicles to it?
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The problem with this post is the Camaro IS winning, whereas Charlie Sheen is a loser that just claims to be winning, sort of like most of the ford fanatics on here...
You beat me to the punch Skyman.
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:07 PM   #91
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Ford has done this to them selves. The Mustang has gotten too dull. I've never cared for the look but damn they just don't do anything special at all. The F150 Will be next if they don't change something soon.

Come on Ford mix it up a little
U guys seriously think it's bad looking..






I know were all brand loyal and all but IMHO i think all of them look great Maro, Stang, and Chally..
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U guys seriously think it's bad looking..






I know were all brand loyal and all but IMHO i think all of them look great Maro, Stang, and Chally..
I actually really like it. In fact, I almost bought one. I decided on the Camaro just because I loved my Tahoe. GM really impressed me with that SUV, it never had a single problem in the time that I had it. Ford not having inventory at the time that I was car shopping also did not help their cause. But yeah, its a very nice car. If I could, I would go buy a mustang so it can hang out in my driveway with my Camaro!
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Everyone on this site Knows the Mustang is a beautiful and fast car. Some just don't have the stones to admit it.
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As odd as it may seem, the declining Mustang sales may actually have more of an impact than Mazda dropping out. Lately the Mazda6 has been having a hard time cracking 40k units sold, while the Mustang is down about 60k units from 2005. The Camaro (and Challenger) can't take all the credit for that decline but never the less, the drop in Mustang sales is greater than the total Mazda6 production from recent years. Mazda could be the final nail in the coffin, but if the Mustang had better maintained its sales (or if the reskin & new engines had actually boosted sales) then they'd still have enough demand to allow Mazda to drop out without much consequence.

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U guys seriously think it's bad looking..

I know were all brand loyal and all but IMHO i think all of them look great Maro, Stang, and Chally..
The previous version looked much better than what they did with their re-fresh in 2010
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From the front, the Mustang looks pretty good. Any other angle though...
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I think the previous F-body suffered as more from poor styling than anything else. It is the only generation that I never owned or wanted to own.
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This body style was absolutely hideous...
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This body style is a million times better, and I like it...
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Like most say, the front end looks good, but the rest of the car doesn't have much going for it. I can stand back and look at my car, and our 5th Gens have so many good body lines all through out! The Mustang cannot touch that...
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Keep the new Muscle Car War alive. Don't want to open a can of worms, but I find it ironic that Ford friends of mine gave me schit saying they didn't need a bailout.
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They didn't. You think 10,000 less Mustang sales is going to send Ford into bankruptcy?
Nope but just get sick and tired of hearing about the term bailouts.Yeah it's a sore point left for discussion in another board.
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This body style was absolutely hideous...
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This body style is a million times better, and I like it...
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Like most say, the front end looks good, but the rest of the car doesn't have much going for it. I can stand back and look at my car, and our 5th Gens have so many good body lines all through out! The Mustang cannot touch that...
Its the same body ...
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