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Old 06-23-2011, 02:43 PM   #26
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I know i have read all the threads, making a thousand 45-50 grand Z/28's will in by no means make the car any cheaper. The LS7 adds 15 grand to the car easy
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Not in' the clouds. If you look at other Z28 threads good arguments are made supporting the LS7.
I'm not supporting the idea of an economy Z28, I'm just saying that if we are reliving the old days (70's) with high gas prices and now a bad economy, GM might pull something like this off. I am not hoping so by any means. I prefer the economy to shape up and today's muscle cars to keep improving, including bigger motors with bigger power. We'll just have to see.
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Not to sound pessimistic but perhaps the Z-28 will be Chevy's mid-range Camaro model to compete with the Challenger R/T and the Mustang GT. A smaller V8 motor, a little less hp, and bigger fuel economy.
Ummm ... doesn't GM already have a Camaro to compete with those cars in the SS?

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It adds 15 grand to a car that doesn't already have an engine. There is already around $7000 worth of LS3 (or L99) under the hood of the SS.
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Old 06-23-2011, 03:15 PM   #29
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That is not how they price the 2lt from the 2SS. There is an 8 grand difference and the only difference is engine and tranny.
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There is more to it than the engine and tranny. Don't forget the springs, shocks, brake pads, calipers, wheels, tires, gearbox, exhaust.....
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That is not how they price the 2lt from the 2SS. There is an 8 grand difference and the only difference is engine and tranny.
You need to do a little homework.
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I'm not supporting the idea of an economy Z28, I'm just saying that if we are reliving the old days (70's) with high gas prices and now a bad economy, GM might pull something like this off. I am not hoping so by any means. I prefer the economy to shape up and today's muscle cars to keep improving, including bigger motors with bigger power. We'll just have to see.
Don't worry it won't happen.
As for bigger engines probably not. More powerful probably yes.
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It adds 15 grand to a car that doesn't already have an engine. There is already around $7000 worth of LS3 (or L99) under the hood of the SS.
Gawd, Gibby, NOW yer gittin' with the PROGRAM!

Fact is, from GM PP, the crate-engine difference is about $7,000...with faaaar more profit made when they ring up an LS7 than an LS3...

Seriously, with deference to Number 3, if Ford can sell out 4000 BOSS ponies at low-mid-$40s, I suspect GM can sell MORE LS7-engined, option-careful, non-MR, ZL1-enhanced driveline'd/wheel'd/tire'd/brake'd thoroughbreds...for about the same dough...and SMILE all the way to the BANK!

Mike, your 1000-unit number would be the number of deposits, Day 1, for orders of our "favorite" Camaro...
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You need to look into the Vette offerings and Camaro heritage to get 5th gen Z28 DNA. You also need to look at the SSX. I would guess there will be a 5th gen Z28 by 2013. I would guess it will get the Grand Sport dry sump LS3 and possibly mag suspension. ZL1 brakes and exhuast too. But as stated before we "know" nothing.
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We know there will no announcements related to our beloved Z/28 until the ZL1 is being produced and more likely in dealer showrooms. If it is to be, I believe we can bank on that.
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Gawd, Gibby, NOW yer gittin' with the PROGRAM!
I've been a fan of a lighter, LS7 powered Camaro for a looooong time. I think the first time I mentioned it was in the fall of 2008.

BTW, seeing as I hardly give out my first name on this site & use my last name even less ... how the f*&% did you know that it nicknames to 'Gibby'?
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NEWSFLASH:

Dateline Germany...

You'll recall, recently, the LS9-powered Corvette ZR1 setting a blistering time of 7:19 @ the 'Ring. Well, folks, they just ran the LS7-powered Z06, and it ran...are ready for it?

7:22!!

LS7...content (weight)-restricted Camaro...ZL1 driveline/brakes/wheels/tires...throw away the sump tank...and the MR...enhanced FE4...3800 lbs or so...

Warm 'n fuzzy, yet?!
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NEWSFLASH:

Dateline Germany...

You'll recall, recently, the LS9-powered Corvette ZR1 setting a blistering time of 7:19 @ the 'Ring. Well, folks, they just ran the LS7-powered Z06, and it ran...are ready for it?

7:22!!

LS7...content (weight)-restricted Camaro...ZL1 driveline/brakes/wheels/tires...throw away the sump tank...and the MR...enhanced FE4...3800 lbs or so...

Warm 'n fuzzy, yet?!
:03 seconds yet 134 less HP. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

C'mon give us a Z28
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I been talking this over with friends and we came to the conclusion that the new Z28 will be the design of the 2009 SEMA Jay Leno twin turbo V6.

It the only logical outcome because it is the only way that GM can outdo the 302 Boss Mustang; since the Mustang is lighter by 300 pounds or some where around that to begin with. Add to this a high power but fuel economic engine that is lightweight but with the ZL1 suspension added; the Z28 will beat out the Current 302.
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There is more to it than the engine and tranny. Don't forget the springs, shocks, brake pads, calipers, wheels, tires, gearbox, exhaust.....
All of those components are comparable in price from the 2lt and the 2SS. I have done my homework, thanks anyway
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I been talking this over with friends and we came to the conclusion that the new Z28 will be the design of the 2009 SEMA Jay Leno twin turbo V6.

It the only logical outcome because it is the only way that GM can outdo the 302 Boss Mustang; since the Mustang is lighter by 300 pounds or some where around that to begin with. Add to this a high power but fuel economic engine that is lightweight but with the ZL1 suspension added; the Z28 will beat out the Current 302.
One slight problem with that: a turbocharged V6 is almost certainly going to be heavier than a naturally aspirated small block.
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With everything we know and have read about the ZL1 up to this point it seems logical to say it was supposed to be the Z28. Well kids unfortunately it's not. Fitz or OP said stay tuned when asked about the Z28 at the ZL1 press release. As always, thats an open ended and enigmatic answer. Code talk for yes...in the future. Scott said that name is beholden and not to be used lightly. The Zeta is too heavy, you can't shave any meaningful weight from it, no matter how you slice the pie. The ZL1 is engineered to be a beast, in all areas of performance. They have done everything to shed weight as they ad to it with all the gear that makes it a beast. It's a high wire tight rope balancing act. Where we are in the life cycle of the Zeta compared to the upcoming Alpha platform, I just don't see Chevy trying to morph the 5th gen with retooling, addition or subtraction, or design changes just to make a Z28. There are so many pie in the sky easy fixes mentioned for the issue. Just stick a LS7 in it.....really? Just lighten it up three hundered pounds, ....really? They are not gonna start gutting and stripping the car down with delete everything and put a ZR1 motor in it......thats assinine. Look, Chevy spent years and millions of man hours perfecting the soon to be released ZL1. That was the Z28.......there was a delay...they fought almost to the death over the name. Ford spent alot of time and effort likewise making the Boss. Who cares about Ford,....., let them eat cake. Our s _ _ _'s better than theirs any day of the week. The Zl1 is gonna make believers outta neigh sayer's and alotta people eat their words with a fork and a knife.
The LS engine family will be dead when the new DI gets released. You'll still be able to get 'em over the counter crated but we are going to get a clean sheet of paper around MY15 with the Alpha Camaro and DI engine. I betcha they are working on that combo now for the initial R&D for a Z28. I think when the Chevy brass said stay tuned, thats the point when we need to turn on the TV and look for the Z28 show. Just my gut feeling on the topic...now back to our regular programing.....,
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I think there is too much being made of the weight of the Zeta chassis making a Z28 impossible. Despite its weight penalty over the Mustang, it is still capable of out-handling the Ford with the right suspension setup. Stiffer structure, better balance, and an IRS can make up for having an extra 200 lbs.
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Old 06-27-2011, 09:24 AM   #45
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http://www.caranddriver.com/features...l1_z28-feature

all i know about the z28 minus what i have been reading here.. took me a while to find it on the net but i remember reading it in my C&D mag
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Before the ZL1 was announced we had evidence but no certainty.

Now, we have certainty that the Z/28 is coming, but no evidence.

Or is there? Compare the T3 Bumblebee with the Jay Leno SEMA Concept Car - almost identical. Its highly likely that the Z/28 will share much of that appearance.

I don't expect the Z/28 to share the twin-turbo V6 with the Jay Leno Concept. The market for high performance muscle cars is simply not primarily for V6 cars, no matter how much better they might be. There is the possibility of a detuned LS7 making it to the Z/28, but I would prefer a pumped up LS3 because a detuned version of anything just leaves you with that feeling that its not the best the manufacturer could have done. They actually make a cammed version of the LS3 as a crate engine on GM Performance Parts called the LS376/480. It produces 480 horsepower and 475 lb-ft of torque. That should be enough to beat any Boss that a Z/28 might encounter, especially if its also equipped with a properly upgraded suspension and weight reduction.

I guess it seems simple what we want in a Z/28, but when you really map out all the elements then there is a lot to it.
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As I mentioned in this thread, http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...46#post3391546 we're not likely to see a Gen-5 V8 in a Gen-5 Camaro. So there goes one "possibility". And, based on the size of the Zeta and the co$t$ involved, a TT-V6 (as much as I like the idea - see my avatar) is out, as well...

As to a "hot" LS3 vs. an LS7, the LS7 is certified and validated for Production...the GM PP-derived 480hp LS3 isn't. The added co$t$ of that process, for somewhat limited production, will certainly eat into the LS3's apparent cost advantage over the LS7, and result in an end product somewhat less than a "427 Z/28" would provide...

If GM is all about trumping the BOSS Pony, best they use a THOROUGHBRED!
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I am with you lowdown i really am. It doesnt seem like it, but I am trying to be more realistic rather than optimistic. Neither Number3 or fbobfather have debunked the LS7 officially but the first thing #3 said a while back was about howw he price of the car wouldnt suffice for the average buyer with the LS7 in it. Just trying to read between the lines and try to make sense of what GM would find most suitable for our beloved namesake!!
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Took me awhile to find this:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=149090&page=2

...post #26...admittedly, one of manymanymany of value by Number 3 on this topic which, to me, sez "some thought" is certainly being given...by all manner of folks within AND beyond GM.

To that list I previously gave (above), add ZL1 Brakes...and "Laguna Seca" money would get you a BOSS-Basher...IMHO

Let me throw this out: Who would rather have a 505/470 LS7, and who would rather have a 450/440 "hot" LS3 for $5,000 less? All other things being equal...including Curb Weight.

'Cause, no matter what you do to an LS3, it will NOT = an LS7 from the assemblyline...and the more you modify an LS3, the closer you get, in co$t$, to an LS7, which only makes the LS7 more sensible...

As stated by Number 3, "Business Case required"...
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That is not how they price the 2lt from the 2SS. There is an 8 grand difference and the only difference is engine and tranny.

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All of those components are comparable in price from the 2lt and the 2SS. I have done my homework, thanks anyway


According to the Chevy website it is a $7,000.00 difference in price. Some of the differences mentioned are: engine, transmission, differential, brakes, suspension, exhaust, rear spoiler, wheels, tires...
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