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Old 03-14-2009, 05:42 PM   #1
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Would a twin-turbo respond well in the V6?

I plan on putting on aftermarket junk when my warranty is expired. (or close to it)
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I suppose anything is possible with time and money. I imagine any kind of boost, be it single, double, or super charged will make this engine even more of a beast. The 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder is DI. Hopefully by the time your warranty is expired the ECU will be cracked. This means a turbo will be much easier to mate to the engine and tune. I wouldn't throw just any junk on this world class motor however
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I suppose anything is possible with time and money. I imagine any kind of boost, be it single, double, or super charged will make this engine even more of a beast. The 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder is DI. Hopefully by the time your warranty is expired the ECU will be cracked. This means a turbo will be much easier to mate to the engine and tune. I wouldn't throw just any junk on this world class motor however
the trick is dealing with the high compression ratio that this motor has. altho the fact that it is DI, I would imagine it would take a lot of boost without issue.
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yea, the DI thing is a tricky issue, but just look at the cobalts and sky/soltice motors. I pulled this from a GM spec sheet

"The turbocharger generates maximum boost of 20 psi. Because direct injection cools the intake process compared to port injection, it allows the 2.0L Turbo to safely operate at higher boost and higher compression (9.2:1) than a conventional turbo engine, increasing both output and efficiency."

It's only rated at 87 octane, so that gives you more room to utilize higher octane if necessary, like when using boost. I'd say just look around on forums like cobaltss.net or sky/soltice forums and we can get an idea of what we need to boost the LLT.
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yea, the DI thing is a tricky issue, but just look at the cobalts and sky/soltice motors. I pulled this from a GM spec sheet

"The turbocharger generates maximum boost of 20 psi. Because direct injection cools the intake process compared to port injection, it allows the 2.0L Turbo to safely operate at higher boost and higher compression (9.2:1) than a conventional turbo engine, increasing both output and efficiency."

It's only rated at 87 octane, so that gives you more room to utilize higher octane if necessary, like when using boost. I'd say just look around on forums like cobaltss.net or sky/soltice forums and we can get an idea of what we need to boost the LLT.

what is the cr on the cobalts/sky/solstice motors that are fi tho?
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most older non-DI Ecotec engines are 9.5:1, but the 2.4 in the solstice/sky is 10.4:1. The new 2.2 is 10:1. The next 2.4 DI that will hit the market will be 11.4:1.
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most older non-DI Ecotec engines are 9.5:1, but the 2.4 in the solstice/sky is 10.4:1. The new 2.2 is 10:1. The next 2.4 DI that will hit the market will be 11.4:1.
normally you want a lower cr with FI. but with it being DI, I think it will be safe running boost. hell, ive seen diesels with 35:1 cr. but they are designed to run by detonating...

guess we'll have to wait and see
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I am not a mechanic but could the auto tranny handle it? Or would that also have to be upgraded?
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The compression ratio is 11.3:1 already, that's pretty high.
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I am not a mechanic but could the auto tranny handle it? Or would that also have to be upgraded?
if you're gonna be putting out a bunch more power (400+), you'll most likely wanna go with the 6L80 (if it'll mate up). i don't know the torque rating on the 6L50, but i'd say it's a bit less than what a TT LLT would be making
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it'll hold 500ft/lbs
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The compression ratio is 11.3:1 already, that's pretty high.
But with Direct Injection, that issue becomes somewhat less important that it usually is...
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But with Direct Injection, that issue becomes somewhat less important that it usually is...
Yes. I'd say that if the LNF can hold 20 lbs of boost at 9.5:1, we should be able to do 5-7 at 11.3:1 without issue.

Although, I have to say that my setup will probably be 10:1 at 7 psi.
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Yes. I'd say that if the LNF can hold 20 lbs of boost at 9.5:1, we should be able to do 5-7 at 11.3:1 without issue.

Although, I have to say that my setup will probably be 10:1 at 7 psi.
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we should be able to run more than 7 psi utilizing DI. ive seen 11:1 cr LT1's running 7psi non intercooled (sts) with no problem. I would imagine that we should be able to turn up the boost on this thing.
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we should be able to run more than 7 psi utilizing DI. ive seen 11:1 cr LT1's running 7psi non intercooled (sts) with no problem. I would imagine that we should be able to turn up the boost on this thing.
Well, then my hypotheses are confirmed, if a bit on the conservative side.

I'm still going to stay on the conservative side with my build up, if only to keep the thing as durable as possible.
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Well, then my hypotheses are confirmed, if a bit on the conservative side.

I'm still going to stay on the conservative side with my build up, if only to keep the thing as durable as possible.
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If you all remember that video I linked to a while ago, where Gale Banks was discussing boost; he said every 1 PSI you add without increasing intake temperature, you get 7% more power. SOOO 7 PSI with a good intercooler is 49% more power, lets so 50% for easy number crunching. 50% of 300 is 150. So 150 + 300 = 450. Thats a nice bump in power if you ask me Not to mention only 5 pounds of boost is 35% more power or about another 100 HP, so your looking at around 400 HP with just a little bit of boost, not to mention exhaust mods, intake, tuning, head work etc.
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If you all remember that video I linked to a while ago, where Gale Banks was discussing boost; he said every 1 PSI you add without increasing intake temperature, you get 7% more power. SOOO 7 PSI with a good intercooler is 49% more power, lets so 50% for easy number crunching. 50% of 300 is 150. So 150 + 300 = 450. Thats a nice bump in power if you ask me Not to mention only 5 pounds of boost is 35% more power or about another 100 HP, so your looking at around 400 HP with just a little bit of boost, not to mention exhaust mods, intake, tuning, head work etc.
IF you can do it without increasing intake temps.


methanol injection anyone? http://www.snowperformance.net/
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IF you can do it without increasing intake temps.

well that's why you get an intercooler with it. A simple air to air unit should be sufficient if your only make 5-8 pounds of boost. the cobalt is capable of making more than double that and it has a air/air cooler.
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we should be able to run more than 7 psi utilizing DI. ive seen 11:1 cr LT1's running 7psi non intercooled (sts) with no problem. I would imagine that we should be able to turn up the boost on this thing.
the thing about the STS setups is the fact that the rear-mount setup allows the long turbo piping to act as an intercooler (at low boost levels). that's how they explained it in a product video. when running higher boost pressure, that's when they recommend adding a separate intercooler.
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well that's why you get an intercooler with it. A simple air to air unit should be sufficient if your only make 5-8 pounds of boost. the cobalt is capable of making more than double that and it has a air/air cooler.
yup, just a little bit of trimming to be done to get one stuffed in there

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the thing about the STS setups is the fact that the rear-mount setup allows the long turbo piping to act as an intercooler (at low boost levels). that's how they explained it in a product video. when running higher boost pressure, that's when they recommend adding a separate intercooler.
yes. I know. but 5-7psi is about the norm for all low-boost/non-intercooled setups.

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hell yeah I am. when you can cruise at 160*, then punch it, go to full boost and the temp drop to 130*. not to mention, not having to finegle an intercooler into the engine bay as well. with the LLT intake manifold, it would be super easy to drill and tap a hole for a nozzle for meth injection. or you could go the route I am on my LT1 and run individual nozzles on each port.
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go for it, sounds good to me! Not having to stuff an intercooler some where is enough of an incentive. These newer cars have 10 pounds of crap stuffed into a 5 pound bag.
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Heh. I'll look into it, spike. God knows I could use the space savings.

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