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Old 06-27-2011, 10:29 AM   #26
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Those black wheels would be a dealbreaker for me...I wont get a ZL1 If I have to have those wheels.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:34 AM   #27
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Dear Fbodfather: Which wheel is lighter?
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:37 AM   #28
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Those black wheels would be a dealbreaker for me...I wont get a ZL1 If I have to have those wheels.
What part about optional silver/machined wheels do you not understand?

I do understand that it may suck a bit for those that preferred the machined wheels as standard and now have to pay a bit for their preferred wheel choice.

The thing is, we don't know yet what that charge may be. It could be a "small" charge (similar to the $500 they charge for polished wheels) or it could be a sizable charge. Just like almost all of the rest of our questions, we'll have to wait and see on that one.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:50 AM   #29
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I understand just fine.....Just hate the black wheels that much.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:53 AM   #30
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Dear Fbodfather: Which wheel is lighter?

I asked Scott about the wieght of the rims and if there was a differance, he said they weigh the same.

As far as why they went with the SSX rims I got the impression from our
conversation, but not in these exact words from Scott that they were less costly to manaufacture. Therefore these got the nod, which makes perfect sence due to the fact they are trying to keep the costs down on this car so that the consumer can have the ZL1 come in at a base price to be competitive.

Now the big question will be how much more will the polished wheels cost
as an option. The SSX wheels were my original choice of the two rims,
however after seeing them, I am now leaning towards the polished wheels.
The reason for my change of heart is that the SSX wheels just have a
plastic look to them and with all the plastic that the modern cars currently
have on them already, I kinda like the polished look more. I guese just call
me old school when it comes to the rims.

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Old 06-27-2011, 10:56 AM   #31
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Sweet news!!! Now - if we can just get some Pilot Cup Sport tires as an option, too... like ZR1
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:22 AM   #32
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I have never cared much for black wheels. I just don't like the way a dark wheel looks in combination with a black tire.

I will definitely be ordering the polished wheels that were on the ZL1 at Chicago. I hope that the polished wheels won't be a major (much more than $500) up charge.
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:53 AM   #33
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If they are the same weight, then I guess I will be getting the optional ones. I hate black rims, but if they were super light, i would just get them media blasted and polished.

I am more a fan of the polished ones that have the ZL-1 entched into them.

Sweet that there is an option, though!
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:22 PM   #34
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wow, this is good news! I was on the fence with this one personally. I do like the look of the black wheels but wouldn't have got them if they weighted more. I think black and red go good together but black and black! now where talking! I still like the look of the polished ones though! especially that ZL1 logo on them....hint...hint..

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Old 06-27-2011, 01:04 PM   #35
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Since I assumed the SSX wheels would be the optional, lighter weight wheel, I wonder if the assumption that it's a lighter wheel is true.

Do you guys still think the SSX style wheel will be lighter? Both are forged I believe. Are the guys who will be now paying extra for the machined/polished wheel only doing so due to preference of style and finish, not performance?
I know on the ZR1 these wheels will be an option(along with the Michelin Sport Cups),and GM said they weigh five pounds less than the standard wheel in that application.

I know five pounds doesn't sound like much. But remember it's unsprung weight,where every lb is equal to 6-9 lbs on the car.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:23 PM   #36
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I know on the ZR1 these wheels will be an option(along with the Michelin Sport Cups),and GM said they weigh five pounds less than the standard wheel in that application.

I know five pounds doesn't sound like much. But remember it's unsprung weight,where every lb is equal to 6-9 lbs on the car.
Exactly. Taking away 20lbs of rotational mass is a pretty big thing from a performance perspective.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:33 PM   #37
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If you dont like them black, you can always have them blasted and refinished.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:50 AM   #38
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What color car are you wanting? On the Red I am just not feeling the black wheel.
Honestly, I haven't made my mind up yet. I'm really leaning towards either:

Gray (Currently not available for 2012. Is this permanent or is it under constraint due to the tsunami?).

Carbon Flash (If it's even available on the ZL1? I'd even be willing to go for the 45th edition with stripe delete if I had to)

The current '12 "normal" color pallet for the Camaro is looking a bit slim in my opinion.
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:01 AM   #39
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Carbon Flash (If it's even available on the ZL1? I'd even be willing to go for the 45th edition with stripe delete if I had to)

The current '12 "normal" color pallet for the Camaro is looking a bit slim in my opinion.
That's a very good question! Will the 45th anniversary package be available on the ZL1? If it is, then it will make my color decision a lot easier as well.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:02 AM   #40
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Whatever wheel comes on the ZL1, it won't please everyone. The good news is that they would be very easy to sell. Then I come into play, to supply you with some lightweight forged wheels, which probably will cost less than the GM cast aluminum wheels.

Of the two designs, I prefer the SSX showcar wheels more. I can't see them only being black though, that would turn off too many buyers. At least offer them like the Corvette does, in a few different powdercoat finishes. Black, gray, silver.

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Old 06-28-2011, 07:40 AM   #41
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Whatever wheel comes on the ZL1, it won't please everyone. The good news is that they would be very easy to sell. Then I come into play, to supply you with some lightweight forged wheels, which probably will cost less than the GM cast aluminum wheels.

Of the two designs, I prefer the SSX showcar wheels more. I can't see them only being black though, that would turn off too many buyers. At least offer them like the Corvette does, in a few different powdercoat finishes. Black, gray, silver.

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I'm pretty sure both ZL1 wheels are forged. I know the silver wheels the debuted in Chicago are forged for sure as they mentioned that. So these aren't your typical factory wheels.

Regardless, I'm sure there will be many that choose to go aftermarket, it's just not going to be easy to find a 20" wheel that beats the factory wheel when it comes to weight/performance.
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Old 06-28-2011, 08:00 AM   #42
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I'm pretty sure both ZL1 wheels are forged. I know the silver wheels the debuted in Chicago are forged for sure as they mentioned that. So these aren't your typical factory wheels.

Regardless, I'm sure there will be many that choose to go aftermarket, it's just not going to be easy to find a 20" wheel that beats the factory wheel when it comes to weight/performance.
Be careful about the term "forged". It gets tossed around a lot. These OEM wheels are likely cast aluminum centers with a "rotary forged" outer hoop. This is what is found on most "forged" OEM wheels. In the aftermarket industry, we call them flow-formed or rotary forged. Using the term "forged" in the aftermarket means the wheel was CNC machined out of a solid chunk of forged billet aluminum. There is a big difference in quality and price between rotary forged and CNC forged. Here is a post I made to help define the differences:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121777

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Be careful about the term "forged". It gets tossed around a lot. These OEM wheels are likely cast aluminum centers with a "rotary forged" outer hoop. This is what is found on most "forged" OEM wheels. In the aftermarket industry, we call them flow-formed or rotary forged. Using the term "forged" in the aftermarket means the wheel was CNC machined out of a solid chunk of forged billet aluminum. There is a big difference in quality and price between rotary forged and CNC forged. Here is a post I made to help define the differences:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121777

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Interesting, thanks for the informative link Tony.

I was under the impression that the ZL1 wheels were forged monoblock. GM's statement that the ZL1 wheel and tire set up is lighter than the factory SS setup, even with the wider wheel and tire, led me to believe this.

Now I wonder if they are "flow formed". Anybody know?
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Flow formed wheels are lighter than the OEM wheels too, even when wider. The popular Forgestar wheels I sell are flow-formed and lighter than OEM. Forged monoblock wheels would never show up on a production vehicle, they are too costly to build ($3500-5000) and take too long to build. I can't think of any mass produced vehicle that has actual forged wheels on it. Not even the exotics.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:00 PM   #45
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So how much extra for the wheels that were on the car shown in February? This is a big setback for me.
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Since I assumed the SSX wheels would be the optional, lighter weight wheel, I wonder if the assumption that it's a lighter wheel is true.
The SSX-style wheel is definitely lighter than the polished/machined ones. By how much...I dunno. But if I had to guess, I'd say ~5 lbs a wheel...1lb estimate for each "bar" of metal removed from the center each spoke on the silver wheel.

Both look to be very expensive wheels (factory-speaking)...since they're both constructed relatively the same, it would seem with this news that the finish process on the SSX wheel is less expensive than that for on the polished one.

I know I'm happy about this!
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I have never cared much for black wheels. I just don't like the way a dark wheel looks in combination with a black tire.

I will definitely be ordering the polished wheels that were on the ZL1 at Chicago. I hope that the polished wheels won't be a major (much more than $500) up charge.
I am glad you said that, I was starting to feel like I was the only guy around that doesnt care for black wheels.
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Sweet, better chance of picking up a used set. But used or purchased directly from GM, don't matter to me. I will have these wheels on my SS.
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Sweet, better chance of picking up a used set. But used or purchased directly from GM, don't matter to me. I will have these wheels on my SS.
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