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Old 06-27-2011, 07:32 AM   #1
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Nitrous plate system

I was hoping for more but
It made 489 hp and 535 tq on 100 shot
And 535 hp and 595 tq on 150 shot
Na with nitrous tune it made 389 hp and 385
Na tune makes 397 and 395 tq
Had to pull 4-7 degrees of timing for both shots
A/f was in the high 10's so it is safe
All I have is a airaid cai and cat delete pipes
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:52 AM   #2
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You're WAY rich on your AFR. Being that rich is costing you power, and it isn't more "safe" then running a PROPER afr.
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Old 06-27-2011, 09:36 AM   #3
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I agree with the above. Also you picked up right where the shot size was set, what numbers were you looking for? If you go off of the plugs and get that thing in the mid 11's will be just as safe and putting down a cleaner number.
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:18 PM   #4
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i thought you could put a 100 shot saftly with no tune??
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:33 PM   #5
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rich is everything but safe
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:21 AM   #6
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Tried to go leaner and richer
Bogged when richer and made less power
Leaner made same power but got a little knock
I looked the plugs over good after each run

I might try a colder plug and lean it out more
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:59 AM   #7
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i thought you could put a 100 shot saftly with no tune??
No ECM tuning. To get all the power out of it, there still might need to be some jet changes.

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Tried to go leaner and richer
Bogged when richer and made less power
Leaner made same power but got a little knock
I looked the plugs over good after each run

I might try a colder plug and lean it out more
What plugs?

No need for any nitrous car to have AFR in the 10's (as long as the plugs agree that what it is.

Also how are you going about getting a read on the spark plugs?
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:50 AM   #8
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A plug flash light (old school)
Then was told a drill and hack saw blade trick also
Maybe the wide band is off but the car likes where it is
Carmel color and brown deep in the plug
And yes killed the key at very end off pull
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:15 AM   #9
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A plug flash light (old school)
Then was told a drill and hack saw blade trick also
Maybe the wide band is off but the car likes where it is
Carmel color and brown deep in the plug
And yes killed the key at very end off pull
You know why they call it old school? Because it still works!

The drill and hacksaw works great btw.

It sounds like the plugs are agreeing with the wideband. Definitely have more power with some timing pulled and leaning it out.

If you have knock you are way to aggressive.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:07 PM   #10
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You know why they call it old school? Because it still works!

The drill and hacksaw works great btw.

It sounds like the plugs are agreeing with the wideband. Definitely have more power with some timing pulled and leaning it out.

If you have knock you are way to aggressive.
What plug do u think I should try?
I just tapped tr6 to .30
With nano this thing really pulls up top
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:19 PM   #11
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Br7ef for sure.

The Tr6 should never be used with nitrous.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:43 PM   #12
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Maybe that's the problem
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:55 AM   #13
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Rich is definately better than lean though right?

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Old 06-29-2011, 08:34 AM   #14
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i almost have the exact same setup and will be going to the dyno next week....I'll let you know my numbers and a/f.....i wont be getting a tune.....unless 100% necessary
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:14 AM   #15
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Maybe that's the problem
I Promise it is not helping. Plugs are more important with nitrous than on any other power adder. (IMO)

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Rich is definately better than lean though right?

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Honestly it just needs to be correct. You will hurt part's with a poor tune no matter which way it is. We make a point saying rich is not safe because people think "rich is safe" and run the cars too rich and make low power and still hurt things.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:47 PM   #16
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Br7ef for sure.

The Tr6 should never be used with nitrous.
Im running tr6 plugs. Can you be more specific why they're not good for nitrous. What kind(brand name) are these br7ef?

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Old 06-30-2011, 02:17 PM   #17
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Im running tr6 plugs. Can you be more specific why they're not good for nitrous. What kind(brand name) are these br7ef?

Thanks, j-rod.
The TR6 is a projected plug vs the BR7EF which is non-projected. Also the BR7 is a step colder than the TR6. You can get the B6EFS for small shots that are the same heat range as the TR6.

I have been running the TR6's on the 100 shot only because I already had them but will soon be switching to the BR7EF for the 100-150 shot.
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The TR6 is a projected plug vs the BR7EF which is non-projected. Also the BR7 is a step colder than the TR6. You can get the B6EFS for small shots that are the same heat range as the TR6.

I have been running the TR6's on the 100 shot only because I already had them but will soon be switching to the BR7EF for the 100-150 shot.
Spot on.

Projected tip plugs are easier to detonate with and make the tuning window smaller.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:25 PM   #19
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The TR6 is a projected plug vs the BR7EF which is non-projected. Also the BR7 is a step colder than the TR6. You can get the B6EFS for small shots that are the same heat range as the TR6.

I have been running the TR6's on the 100 shot only because I already had them but will soon be switching to the BR7EF for the 100-150 shot.
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Spot on.

Projected tip plugs are easier to detonate with and make the tuning window smaller.
I"ll be running 150 to 200 shot. I would like to run a plug that will be compatible with the n2o but also will run perfectly fine without nitrous as it wont be used very often................I think

I was recommended TR6 to run for both even though I would change them before each track event to be safe. After all they're only 12 bucks for a set and take 10 min to change out
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:27 PM   #20
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I"ll be running 150 to 200 shot. I would like to run a plug that will be compatible with the n2o but also will run perfectly fine without nitrous as it wont be used very often................I think

I was recommended TR6 to run for both even though I would change them before each track event to be safe. After all they're only 12 bucks for a set and take 10 min to change out
I would never spray a car with tr6's in it.

A br7ef will work for those shot ranges and work perfectly fine on the street.
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I would never spray a car with tr6's in it.

A br7ef will work for those shot ranges and work perfectly fine on the street.
Well thanks for the info! I've always used TR6's in my nitrous cars but if the others are safer then I'll def change them out

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Old 06-30-2011, 04:49 PM   #22
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Well thanks for the info! I've always used TR6's in my nitrous cars but if the others are safer then I'll def change them out

Thanks, j-rod
No problem man. Spark plugs are an easy way to make it safe.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:04 PM   #23
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Graham,

a friend of mine owns the SS and is aiming for Nitrous kit. He is LS3 is already cammed, with LTs, Cat back and CAI equiped.

He needs to know whether the stock connecting rod and engine pistons can handle the gas or not?

If no, do you have any suggested upgrades for those parts?
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Graham,

a friend of mine owns the SS and is aiming for Nitrous kit. He is LS3 is already cammed, with LTs, Cat back and CAI equiped.

He needs to know whether the stock connecting rod and engine pistons can handle the gas or not?

If no, do you have any suggested upgrades for those parts?
They can certianly handle nitrous. If he is looking for a good reliable street car where the tuning is still pretty simple, a 150hp is good size shot for the stock bottom end.

Now better bottom end parts are definitely a good upgrade when the time comes but he can start spraying with the stock bottom end if he is not ready to build a motor.
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Well thanks for the info! I've always used TR6's in my nitrous cars but if the others are safer then I'll def change them out

Thanks, j-rod
I run the BR7EF all the time with a 200 shot. Great plug. I'll probably have to drop another range colder once the direct port kit goes on.
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