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Old 07-12-2011, 07:17 PM   #18
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Well first off I was only speaking of THIS car that we have to this point. NOT a car that isn't here yet. As far as what we have right now, you guys don't have much nice to say.

But to answer your question, there is nothing wrong with that. I'm just not a fan of the way you present it. That's not your problem. It's mine. And don't get me wrong, I dont' lose sleep at night wondering how I'm gonna pile on Pfadt next. It just seems like whenever I log on and see a Pfadt post, you are responding in defense and not in motivating ways. If there is something causing this it's not my fault. Just my observation. I know a lot. But I'm not a pro driver, mechanic, or expert in any way. YOU guys are. I'm TRYING to learn as much as I can. I WANT to learn.

I have never said a single bad thing or have anything less than praise for your product. EVER NEVER. But I think of 'Pfadt', I think of that guy from the movie Titanic who was supposed to marry the girl until Decaprios character took her away. REALLY hard to like that guy.

But I'm just one guy. Don't let it bother you. You guys are doing a great job at making a solid, high quality product.

Oh, and I seriously would like to see a test of the bush. The video of your strut tower brace was quite interesting. (not being a smart ass)
I get the feeling that you're looking for issues to hold against Pfadt. It reminds me of my wife. At times, no matter what I say, she takes it the absolutely worst way. Pfadt is a aftermarket suspension company that sells suspension UPGRADES. If you want parts that are a upgrade to what you already have, they are definitely a great choice. Several of their upgrades weren't designed for DD use but will work just fine as such. You need to evaluate what you feel works best for you, then decide. Even Pedders agreed that there are benefits with going to stiffer front LCA bushing which is exactly what the Pfadt bushing is. As he also posted, it's not on the list of first things to do. The way I read his post about the ZL1 was in reference to even GM feels that they could improve upon the original platform to make a much sportier suspension. Isn't it nice to be able to achieve the same outcome without spending $60k on the ZL1? Seeing that GM has made a few changes to the OEM suspension from year to year shows me that they know there are weaknesses as well. If you feel that any of their parts aren't suited for your driving style, that's fine. Many of us feel they are the right choice for us. If every company had the same philosophy and parts, everyone would be the same. I feel that the different manufacturers and philosphy gives us a wider variety of parts. As for making parts just for the sake of selling them, show me a single Pfadt suspension part that isn't a upgrade.
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Old 08-05-2013, 04:51 PM   #19
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I have the pfadt phase 5 race suspension on my car from 2 years ago. Only 9 track days on my car.I only drive it to the track and on the track (not my daily driver) 6900 miles on it. On Aug. 2nd 2013 I was scheduled for a 3 day track event at Watkins Glen and on the first day, second session, my drivers side lower control arm bushing broke (the polyurethane ripped out) causing my front end to feel like the front wheel was going to fall off. I had to extend my stay and have my car fixed (stock control arm replacement) so I could drive it home.

I'm a little dissatisfied with Pfadt as this is the second part to fail with hardly any milage on it. (Upper sway bar end link heim joint was the other failure) They sent me a new heim joint for "cost" $20 which I thought was unfair.

When everything was working the car drove like it was on rails, stable and predictable. I just think these parts should last longer than 9 track days.


I called them today (Got voicemail) and i'm waiting for a reply on the lower control arm bushing.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:57 PM   #20
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2 days have gone by and still no contact from Pfadt. Is this how they handle customer problems? All I get is voice mail. Left 2 messages. No response. I guess I should have gone with one of their competitors. Live and learn....
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:12 PM   #21
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The lower arms on the Camaro need to articulate forward and rearward a bit, when this is restricted you will have binding and fast wear of parts.

The G8 is very similar, and there were aftermarket lower arms available for the front, but one of the problems that they had was they were not allowed to articulate forward and rearward enough, as a result there were many people that had broken arms when they turned to the lock in a parking lot.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:16 PM   #22
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Thanks, I was just looking at your website

Maybe a Spherical bearing would be good in this location?
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:19 PM   #23
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not really, from a wear standpoint a spherical will get noisy fairly quick, honestly, the stock bushing really is very good for a street car, if you have an all out race car than you don't care about wear and longevity, and it might be a good idea then.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:27 PM   #24
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I only use this car on the road course track. It's not my daily driver. Currently I only drive to and from the track. Although I'm looking for a trailer to tow it to the track. I'm looking to get the most out of it handling wise.

Does Pedders make a Spherical bearing for the front lower arm? Pfadt has a full kit and is very expensive....and I kinda don't want to buy from them again.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:30 PM   #25
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I think that Pfadt is the only option at the moment,
I'm not sure what Detroit Speed has to offer for that, i haven't looked in to that yet.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:37 PM   #26
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Thanks! You guys are great. Thanks for the fast response. I'll be in touch with you about my car set up. I'm trying to dial it in and need some help.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:41 PM   #27
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:37 AM   #28
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still no contact from pfadt......
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" no matter what I say, she takes it the absolutely worst way." Woooo, I thought my X girlfriend was the only one who did that. Guess all ladies are like this then. I literally have to pick what I say with a fine tooth comb.
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I have the pfadt phase 5 race suspension on my car from 2 years ago. Only 9 track days on my car.I only drive it to the track and on the track (not my daily driver) 6900 miles on it. On Aug. 2nd 2013 I was scheduled for a 3 day track event at Watkins Glen and on the first day, second session, my drivers side lower control arm bushing broke (the polyurethane ripped out) causing my front end to feel like the front wheel was going to fall off. I had to extend my stay and have my car fixed (stock control arm replacement) so I could drive it home.

I'm a little dissatisfied with Pfadt as this is the second part to fail with hardly any milage on it. (Upper sway bar end link heim joint was the other failure) They sent me a new heim joint for "cost" $20 which I thought was unfair.

When everything was working the car drove like it was on rails, stable and predictable. I just think these parts should last longer than 9 track days.


I called them today (Got voicemail) and i'm waiting for a reply on the lower control arm bushing.
Is this the front , rear lower control arm bushing behind the radius rod bushing. If so I highly recommend you not use those because I realized they bind and reduce articulation in a bad way in the front. I use the solid spherical bush pictured on the first page and they work great.
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Old 08-10-2013, 09:23 PM   #31
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Is this the front , rear lower control arm bushing behind the radius rod bushing. If so I highly recommend you not use those because I realized they bind and reduce articulation in a bad way in the front. I use the solid spherical bush pictured on the first page and they work great.
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IMO, OE bush is safer

Good call Pete....

No disrespect for Pfadt at all - they're customer service has always been outstanding, and still is. They even rushed an order after being past the shipping window for me before a holiday.... kudos for great customer service - can't say enough. Super respectable company. Good thing Pedders didn't make a bushing for it too. After just reading about a similar failure last summer close to mine and finding this (see pics) after returning from the Sturgis Camaro Rally 2013 after drag racing and autocrossing, I must agree the OEM bushing is the way to go. (Ordering OEM today) My failed bushing was 3 years old though. OEM is much safer when it does go bad IMO. Looking at the OEM design, when the OE bush fails it can only move so far. Be it a Pfadt or a BMR bushing (or any other brand) at this location, either one when it blows could be catastrophic depending on when it happens. I was lucky - the car drove great back to Colorado..... the bushing started falling out when I jacked up the front end to check something else. Upon jacking it up 1/2 of the bushing fell out and it was amazing how far the wheel would move, (while the steering was locked). I think this should be more of a lesson learned for all the bushing manufacturers for this particular part that affects steering so drastically. Just think if it fell out on a great launch doing the 1/4 mile!

Before anyone is quick to pit vendors against each other.... I had a HD rearmost Pedders diff bushing blow out too on my LPE 9.5" - sh@t happens. I upgraded to a Pedders delrin bush and all is good, and in retrospect - the rear bushing takes all the load that the front 2 get to share! Obviously I wasn't the 1st, otherwise the Delrin wouldn't have just appeared on one of their packages - just like BMR started doing Delrin too.
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