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View Poll Results: Which "Z/28" Engine Would YOU Prefer?
"Hot" LS3 with 450 hp/440 ft-lb, minus $5,000 25 20.49%
"Wet" LS7 with 505 hp/470 ft-lb, plus $5,000 97 79.51%
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:29 AM   #18
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$5,000 for 55 HP? No thanks.

But even worse the difference between the 2 crate prices is more that $7,000 not $5,000.

So if you figure in the 480 hp LS3 version, The difference is still more than $7,000.

So $7,000 for 25 HP. Any takers? The LS7 does not make sense in the Camaro.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:06 AM   #19
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$5,000 for 55 HP? No thanks.

But even worse the difference between the 2 crate prices is more that $7,000 not $5,000.

So if you figure in the 480 hp LS3 version, The difference is still more than $7,000.

So $7,000 for 25 HP. Any takers? The LS7 does not make sense in the Camaro.
And the LS3 and LS376/480 are within a few hundred of the same price for a 50hp gain. If the Z/28 starts around $40g, then that leaves about 5 or more thousand in the price tag for further upgrades such as suspension part upgrades, tire upgrades. Not to mention the LS376 has more horsepower available under 6000 rpm than the LS7. That's not to say 1-2k can't be spent to allow the LS376 to rev a little higher...maybe 7000 or 7500 rpm? This theory...it is crazy - but is it crazy enough?
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:21 PM   #20
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Folks, a 7.0 Liter V8 with 505/470 specs HAS AN RPO CODE...LS7

A "hot-cammed" 376/480 DOESN'T...

You don't just snap your finger and install an LS3+ in an automobile and call it a day. DEVELOPMENT/CERTIFICATION/VALIDATION...CO$T$...

Now, take those co$t$ and add 'em to the crate engine costs...and, built in low volumes AS CERIFIED/VALIDATED, your piece-cost will rise...closer to the existing LS7 price...no?

Ergo, NOT $7,000 difference, but approx. $5,000...

If this "not-for-highway-use" LS3+ was "such a great deal", then why isn't it already in a Corvette...or Camaro?
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:36 PM   #21
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Btw, the LS6 readlines at 7k just like the LS7 does so thats nothing new. I vote for the Z06 LS7. i would take that all day long. A cam and headers in a Z06 makes 550rwhp.
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:51 PM   #22
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Is it just the Z28 section, or do too many people just jump in without reading any thread before they answer?

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Old 07-06-2011, 09:45 PM   #23
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Is it just the Z28 section, or do too many people just jump in without reading any thread before they answer?

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It's not just the Z/28 thread, it's all threads in the forum. That's why there's so many multiple same answers and picture posts.
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Unbelievable!
Their comments I fear reverse the positive flow of some threads that are hoping to sway the thinking of those in high places.
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If this "not-for-highway-use" LS3+ was "such a great deal", then why isn't it already in a Corvette...or Camaro?
durability testing? does it matter? it's not like they can't and will not. it's a mythical car. we can dream.



my personal pref. would be if the ls7 is used that it be a dry sump system. I do love those curves. but I'm still holding hope that the next gen engines are coming out and they slide one right into a z28, a great all around car.
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Btw, the LS6 readlines at 7k just like the LS7 does so thats nothing new. I vote for the Z06 LS7. i would take that all day long. A cam and headers in a Z06 makes 550rwhp.
The LS6 in my 02' Z06 redlined at 6500RPM.
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I agree with Calbert1999.....and the fact that the LS7 is more in keeping with the 1st gen's high reving 302.
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Neither, I want the Z/28 to come with a Gen V V8. I doubt it would cost much more than an Ls3, but it should have power similar to the LS7.
What's a gen V anyway?

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To bring an LS3 up to the internal hardware specs of an LS7 would cost what? And then forget the factory warranty.
And being able to say you have a 427 in your Z28 would be AWESOME!!!
Dude. I'm going through that nightmare now. It's about 3 times the cost to pull the LS3 stroke to a max of 418ci. and forge the internals. I decided to go with a forged LSX 427ci. Will be nice when it's done. But, anyone in their right mind would agree it would have been nice to pay $5k, and have the engine forged straight from the automaker.

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How about a more balanced car one designed for road track. Small Engine (v8) standard shift only, but balanced for road track heavier sways and springs, lighter wheels, cts-v brakes.
I hear ya man. We're all doing thsi stuff to our SS' now. Agree it would be nice to do some of it and charge few extra so we don't go through the trials and errors ourselves just to have warranties voided and finger pointing.
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What's a gen V anyway?
the replacements for the current gen IV small blocks
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the replacements for the current gen IV small blocks
Understood, but are the specs. published? Is it one of those dual cam jobs?
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Understood, but are the specs. published? Is it one of those dual cam jobs?
Not much in the way of details, but there is a decent amount of speculation. They are replacing both the gen IV engines and the northstar V8s. Direct injection and variable valve timing are pretty much guaranteed. I bet most gen V's hooked up to an automatic will feature active fuel management. The engines are supposed to rev a bit higher due to lessons learned in Nascar racing. The entire family is supposed to be all aluminum (some gen IV truck engines are still iron block). Pushrods will remain, though there might be overhead cam truck engines. Also, there may be a 3 valve pushrod engine. Two main displacements are expected, 5.3L and 6.2L though there could easily more (and probably will be more). It is widely believed that there will be a 5.5L version, but that is based on nothing more than the fact that Corvette racing uses a 5.5L and its said to be a prototype for the next gen engines.
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