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Old 03-15-2009, 10:56 PM   #1
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2010 camaro SS vs. 2010 Mustang GT/Track Package

so im just about set to go after my SS

my cousin though has a GT500 and just to back mustang up says there aint no way a SS could take the GT with track package on the track. there are no official times but he says with the track package the mustang will be faster around the track because of weight advantage. but either way the Camaro wins in a straight and thats mostly what i care about. but i also do care about the twisties so does anyone have any ideas or a good guess which beast would win?
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so im just about set to go after my SS

my cousin though has a GT500 and just to back mustang up says there aint no way a SS could take the GT with track package on the track. there are no official times but he says with the track package the mustang will be faster around the track because of weight advantage. but either way the Camaro wins in a straight and thats mostly what i care about. but i also do care about the twisties so does anyone have any ideas or a good guess which beast would win?
Is your cousin forgetting the 100 hp advantage that the Camaro has? 0-60 the Camaro should have a 0.3s advantage. And we have every reason to believe that it can handle the turns with relative easy.
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:44 PM   #3
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No, the SS should have a clear advantage. His '07-'09 GT500 would be a driver's race though.
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:44 PM   #4
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We know that the camaro had the guts to race at the nurburgring and got 8:20sec but the Mustang to date Nada
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Old 03-16-2009, 12:10 AM   #5
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To compensate for the weight the Camaro has better brakes than are offered even with the Mustang's Track Pack, a fully independant suspension tuned on a world class race track (Nurburgring) and as was previously mentioned, a very large power advantage to push it out of turns and down straights quicker. The G8 GT and GXP that share a less finely tuned version of the Camaro's ZETA II suspension has been described as the poor man's M5; their power and especially handling have been met with unanimously rave reviews. Rest assured that the lighter-than-a-G8 Camaro SS with the upgraded suspension and better brakes will more than hold it's own against the Track Pack'd Mustang, whose only weapon is its weight advantage.
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so im just about set to go after my SS

my cousin though has a GT500 and just to back mustang up says there aint no way a SS could take the GT with track package on the track. there are no official times but he says with the track package the mustang will be faster around the track because of weight advantage. but either way the Camaro wins in a straight and thats mostly what i care about. but i also do care about the twisties so does anyone have any ideas or a good guess which beast would win?

your cousin is on crack... I recommend rehab immediately... his GT500 is the only Mustang in the lineup that's going to be competitive with the new Camaro SS... a new G8 GT could keep up with a Mustang GT with the track pack on a road course, so with a lower weight and higher power than the G8 GT, the Camaro SS is the easy winner here.
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so im just about set to go after my SS

my cousin though has a GT500 and just to back mustang up says there aint no way a SS could take the GT with track package on the track. there are no official times but he says with the track package the mustang will be faster around the track because of weight advantage. but either way the Camaro wins in a straight and thats mostly what i care about. but i also do care about the twisties so does anyone have any ideas or a good guess which beast would win?



Tell your cousin that he should look up something call horsepower per weight ratio, also the camaro has near 50/50 weight distribution. Also the 4 piston Brembos 14"/14.4" front/rear are superior than the 2 piston brakes with "high performance brake pads" on the mustang. Also the camaro has a very stout IRS, not all tracks are butter smooth etc...
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:47 AM   #8
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I disagree somewhat. The mustang has higher skid pad numbers than any of the tests I have seen on the Camaro. That said I suspect the Camaro will still kill it because the car should be much more stable and planted feeling with the IRS. I think most drivers will find the Camaro easier and more comfortable to drive hard into the corners. The HP advantage and the wider powerband of the Camaro should also allow faster times comming off of corners while the brakes should allow faster entry times into the corners.
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Yeah .... I wouldn't under estimate the Mustang
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Old 03-16-2009, 11:56 AM   #10
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im sorry for a this noob question but whats IRS?
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Yeah .... I wouldn't under estimate the Mustang
I would. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but even on a full race course, there is no comparing these two cars. Until Ford and it's pony step into the 21st century, it is going to get left behind on any track. The new Track Pack is a good first step, but they need to try and find a balance between a cheap fun car, and a serious competitor. Until they do, they will continue to outsell the competition (which I wager is the only thing they care about) and get embarassed in every standard of performance.
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I'll bite: why should we not underestimate the Mustang?
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I would. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but even on a full race course, there is no comparing these two cars. Until Ford and it's pony step into the 21st century, it is going to get left behind on any track. The new Track Pack is a good first step, but they need to try and find a balance between a cheap fun car, and a serious competitor. Until they do, they will continue to outsell the competition (which I wager is the only thing they care about) and get embarassed in every standard of performance.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's a shame the SS has better brakes than the GT500 all around!! There is no excuse that a Hyundai, Honda Civic, or whatever has IRS but not Fords best selling car. Keep offering 15 HP upgrades and little tweaks here and there and see where that gets you. And I've had 6 Mustangs, looking forward to my new Z/28 (!!!!).....so I'm not bashing, I'm just tired of excuses.

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Old 03-16-2009, 12:38 PM   #15
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Yeah .... I wouldn't under estimate the Mustang

I would......once the RPMS starting getting up there it runs outta gas...........but the LS3 power curve keeps pulling.
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There is no excuse that a Hyundai, Honda Civic, or whatever has IRS but not Fords best selling car.
True enough, but remember that the majority of those cars are FWD, it makes it much easier to equip it with IRS.
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Im just playing devils advocate here....

We have heard from a few GM gurus that are CAMAROS are going to have great suspension........ but they are GM employees.....

I cant wait until all of the car mags get their hands on the car and do some good number crunching....

Then and only then we will be able to put this to rest....

IMHO......CAMARO is going to take on and beat anything in its class.
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True enough, but remember that the majority of those cars are FWD, it makes it much easier to equip it with IRS.
Very true.....I didnt even think about that. But at least they are willing to attempt to move forward, unlike Ford.
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Im just playing devils advocate here....

We have heard from a few GM gurus that are CAMAROS are going to have great suspension........ but they are GM employees.....

I cant wait until all of the car mags get their hands on the car and do some good number crunching....

Then and only then we will be able to put this to rest....

IMHO......CAMARO is going to take on and beat anything in its class.

We've also heard unanimously from the car mags that tested the V6 that the Camaro's handling is definitely world class and they couldn't wait to get their hands on the SS.
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I would. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but even on a full race course, there is no comparing these two cars. Until Ford and it's pony step into the 21st century, it is going to get left behind on any track. The new Track Pack is a good first step, but they need to try and find a balance between a cheap fun car, and a serious competitor. Until they do, they will continue to outsell the competition (which I wager is the only thing they care about) and get embarassed in every standard of performance.
In a business perspective, Ford is in the business to make the money, and they have been very successful in doing that over the years. Ford cares about performance for its enthusiast market and has the GT500 and GT500KR available for those that want monster muscle car's.... I love the Camaro and will be buying one, however GM needs to expand its Camaro lineup to be similar to the Mustangs in price vs performance if it wants to survive...
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So the enthusiast market with Ford is limited to those who make six figure salaries? Come on man, be realistic. If you don't think that the Camaro is right with the Mustang in "price vs performance" then I really don't know what to tell you. A car I can have for $31k that is still on par with a car that is $42k (GT500) sounds like a hell of a deal to me.
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In a business perspective, Ford is in the business to make the money, and they have been very successful in doing that over the years. Ford cares about performance for its enthusiast market and has the GT500 and GT500KR available for those that want monster muscle car's.... I love the Camaro and will be buying one, however GM needs to expand its Camaro lineup to be similar to the Mustangs in price vs performance if it wants to survive...
What the Heck are you talking about?!?!?! The Camaro beats the Mustang in fuel economy and Performance/Price!! OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!! The Base V6 is only $655 more while having a better everyday ride (IRS) better fuel economy 18/29 mpg!!

EDIT: And the Gt-500KR is freaking $80,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What the Heck are you talking about?!?!?! The Camaro beats the Mustang in fuel economy and Performance/Price!! OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!! The Base V6 is only $655 more while having a better everyday ride (IRS) better fuel economy 18/29 mpg!!

EDIT: And the Gt-500KR is freaking $80,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 2010 GT500 is not $80,000 like the 2009 GT500KR and boasts the same 540 HP and more chassis upgrades.The 2010 Shelby GT500 Coupe has a MSRP of $46,325, while the 2010 GT500 Convertible starts at $51,225.
Either way the 2010 Camaro SS will be an outstanding performance value and should outperform a trackpak equipt 2010 Mustang GT. It won't be long until there are numerous reviews out there and then we'll see.

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I think expanding the line-up includes more of a difference between the V6 and SS (cosmetically)..and of course a higher-performing model to "compete" with the GT500 ( although the numbers look pretty promising right now). Also, it's nice (but not necessary, obviously) to have the little perks like Navigation. Thats kinda my one concern is that visually the Camaro is a knockout.....albeit a bit a tad plain until you get into the SEMA models.....Or Jinx's creations!
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so the camaro is better

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so im just about set to go after my SS

my cousin though has a GT500 and just to back mustang up says there aint no way a SS could take the GT with track package on the track. there are no official times but he says with the track package the mustang will be faster around the track because of weight advantage. but either way the Camaro wins in a straight and thats mostly what i care about. but i also do care about the twisties so does anyone have any ideas or a good guess which beast would win?

SO the your saying the STOCK camaro SS is better than the STOCK mustang. Put a suspension kit on the camaro from pedders then you can compare cars that have suspension packages on them. Until then just compare the stock cars. If you have to mod a car to compare it then you know the one your up against is better.
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