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Old 03-16-2009, 09:41 AM   #1
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so I'm driving a renter while my car is in the shop

my car is currently in the shop to fix some damage from some idiot hitting it, and I have a '08 toyota Corolla for the renter...
I always hear great things about how toyota has quality and dependability, but do people really enjoy driving these things? the whole car just feels completely numb to me, there is no feel to it while driving, I could be going 5 or 60 and can't tell by the feel of the car's speed, the brakes have no resistance to them so you have to guess where the hard stop and just light braking is, and worst of all, feathering the accelerator is enough to make it go 40... I gotta know, is this what people really rave about when they speak so highly of toyota's quality and drive-ability? to be honest, this has cemented my decision to never buy an import to the point of no return.

sorry for the rant, it just confuses me when I hear such great things about a car all the time and then can't find a single thing I like about it.
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Old 03-16-2009, 12:07 PM   #2
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My buddy bought a brand new Corolla and he loves it, I was sober driving for him one night and I had to drive his car and you are right the corolla is a POS. They talk up the MPG for these little cars but they don't get better than my Grand Prix GTP, i dont understand why people buy them
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well, in the last six months i had a corolla, an impala and a v6 mustang as a rental. the impala was the worst of them all. but that doesn't really mean a lot since pretty much all of them were crap.
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Old 03-16-2009, 12:26 PM   #4
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Besides the power steering problems, brake problems, paint problems, interior problems, window recalls, and oil burning corolla's are really reliable from what I've heard...

Not to mention that stellar real world 29 combined mpg..
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Old 03-16-2009, 12:52 PM   #5
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Japanese cars, by and large, have always been soul-less econoboxes. Don't expect it to change. The reason people like them is because most people aren't like us. They want something that does nothing more than get them from point A to point B. If it does it using less gas, or does it in mild comfort, and isolates them completely from the real world outside, they love it.
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:17 PM   #6
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Last year I had a brand new Corolla as my rental when my car at the time was in the shop. It was eh, nothing great at all, definitely a car for grandma or person who doesn't car about what they have as long as it gets them where they need to be. I well say the mileage was awesome though, not great but I got it with a full tank, drove it a like 3 days, hammered(if you can really say that with this car) mutliple times and when I took it back to get my car back the needle barely moved, I drove it 100mi's I think during that time. Cannot say that with my SS/SC, its usually between 1/2 and full by the time I get to 100 miles on the tank if not at 1/2, than again I am pushing much more air and power so yea haha.

My g/f has an '01 corolla, freaking POS! BUT, it has 145K or more on it and its never had a single problem, not one. She got it from her sister who bought it w/ 61K, by the time the g/f had it, it had 114K or so. Car was pretty much neglected, my women drove it for almost a freakin year without giving it an oil change and it never faultered and when I finally remembered and got to changing it there was maybe 1 quart or alittle more of oil that came out. I was amazed that the car has lasted, if it was something else it probably would of went boom or something with the way she takes care of and drives it so I won't complain about them though I cannot stand Toyota.
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Old 03-16-2009, 04:44 PM   #7
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80+% of the people never read a car magazine beyond Consumer Reports auto special.

They buy a car and expect it to be comfortable and quiet and in as smooth a way as possible get them from their home to work to the grocery store. Toyota's basically rock at being a commuting-appliance.
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:29 AM   #8
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that clears things up a bit, I had been wondering if I'd gotten a lemon or something as it seriously had no plus side for me at all... I only got a little better gas mileage than my buick lesabre (though i tend to have a lead foot, so that may not mean much) and after a full day of delivering in it, with the seat in the regular up right position... I have a sore back. yay toyota!
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:26 PM   #9
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that clears things up a bit, I had been wondering if I'd gotten a lemon or something as it seriously had no plus side for me at all... I only got a little better gas mileage than my buick lesabre (though i tend to have a lead foot, so that may not mean much) and after a full day of delivering in it, with the seat in the regular up right position... I have a sore back. yay toyota!
You must of had a lemon because everybody knows that all Japanese cars (Toyota's in particular) are superior in every way to any other car. Anyone or anything that says otherwise is biased and/or doesn't know what they're talking about. I believe I read that Consumer Reports is trusted as the least biased publication out there, according to a survey conducted by Consumer Reports.
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Old 03-17-2009, 03:48 PM   #10
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You must of had a lemon because everybody knows that all Japanese cars (Toyota's in particular) are superior in every way to any other car. Anyone or anything that says otherwise is biased and/or doesn't know what they're talking about. I believe I read that Consumer Reports is trusted as the least biased publication out there, according to a survey conducted by Consumer Reports.
LOL, wow
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Old 03-17-2009, 10:35 PM   #11
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LOL, wow
What? If you disagree with what I said, well you're either biased or you don't know what you're talking about.


After writing all that, there's something I've gotta do.
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:01 AM   #12
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that clears things up a bit, I had been wondering if I'd gotten a lemon or something as it seriously had no plus side for me at all... I only got a little better gas mileage than my buick lesabre (though i tend to have a lead foot, so that may not mean much) and after a full day of delivering in it, with the seat in the regular up right position... I have a sore back. yay toyota!
I won't say i've driven a ton of cars, but i've never driven a more comfortable car than either of my buicks.
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:18 AM   #13
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yeah, one of the biggest things I like about my current car is the comfort. I'm delivering pizza till I graduate and get a better job so for me, comfort is a huge factor when I spend 8+ hours a day behind the wheel. mileage is important too, but it's hard to choose mileage over comfort to such a degree that I can hardly stand driving the car when I have to drive it so much. the only car I've driven that's even come close to the buick in comfort is a dodge stratus, and the toyota... eh... I'll take cancer over having that as a daily driver, thanks.
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:54 AM   #14
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haha, I deliver pizza's too so i know what you're talking about. My grand am isn't too bad, but i still miss the buick.
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:25 PM   #15
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I had an '08 Corolla S as a rental a couple months ago. I wasn't impressed at all with the driving experience. Very numb, and the interior quality was sub-par to say the least. I couldn't believe that this is what people rave about. I must admit though it got great gas mileage. On a road trip averaging about 80mph it got 34mph. That's at least 5mpg better than my '03 Neon SXT daily driver gets on the same trip. I'll take my neon any day though.
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:28 PM   #16
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I had an experience with a new Toyota Camry rental car while my trusty 91 Caprice Classic was in the shop for a week. Talk about not having a soul!! Toyota's are seriously an appliance, that is all. Point a to b, no more.
07 Camry - 43 000 kms 91 Caprice Classic - 330 000 kms
The seat was comfortable for the most part, but nothing like my Caprice's leather. Ride quality was great in a straight line, but a roll-over special trying to make a corner at speed! Seriously, my 91 Caprice takes corners nicer, and with less body roll then that Camry! Back seat space was almost comparable, considering the Camry is smaller then the Caprice...

Engine in the Camry was the tiny little 2.4L four cylinder, which got awful gas mileage, had no power below 2700 RPM, and the tranny has that horrid Z type shift pattern. No real comparison to my 5.0L 305 V8 in the Caprice, even with a four speed 700R4.

Trunk space was comparable again, in size relation of the cars (even though both are full size cars).

The worst part of the Camry? The old people HVAC system and radio controls. Seriously, no button was smaller then my thumb, and the radio display had a nice side LED lit display, but doesn't dim. Not bad in the city, but on the highway awful! It was either have the display on, and be blind and not see anything, or dim the dash lights down enough to see, which shuts off the display for the radio, totally blacking it out. Intelligent design idiots at toyota!!

So in my conclusion, Toyota's are for people with no soul, or really don't care that much. Simple as that.
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Old 03-19-2009, 03:17 PM   #17
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I hate braks like that. When I move some cars around at the body shop the brakes have like a 1 inch throw on them, I barely touch them and I'm going through the windshield. It could be that I'm just used to 1990's GM but I really don't like touchy brakes.

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Old 03-19-2009, 08:14 PM   #18
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I thought I'd reply to this as I agree with a lot of whats been said. My father-in-law bought an 09 corolla a year ago when they came out - he said b/c of the claimed 35mpg. He chose it over the malibu at the time, which is another story. Anyway, I must say he has been disappointed with it in his year's ownership. The build quality is just ok and the road holding is awful. Yes, it is a new car ($20k's worth at the time) so no real problems with ownership as such.

But, as I said to him a year ago, why buy a 35mpg car in La where gas is around $2/$3 a gallon. I am Scottish and when I moved here 13 months ago Gas there was $11 a gallon - hence the need for a 35mpg car there. My f-in-l is retired so he doesn't need to drive anywhere specific each day, so he could afford to go for a larger/ more comfortable 'decent' car.

I think he just bought it b/c of the badge tho, 'corolla' (reliable, cheap, boring etc.) and I've got a feeling he'll not be buying another one again! My murano has been in the shop (rear ended) and I've had an 09 Malibu as a rental (3.6 V6) which is quite a different car from the corolla - better in every way. (We don't have Malibu's in Scotland). Yay Chevy!!
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Old 03-20-2009, 01:46 AM   #19
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yeah, on the day before last of rental I got tired of the sore back and the crappy driving that I brought it back to the rental company early (had work off the last day before I got my baby back so I didn't need to drive it anyhow) and they let me swap it for an 09 malibu, which I have to say, was over9000 time better by no stretch of the imagination... it is comfortable, the controls all work(ergonomically) where they are, and it's even a decent ride with nice acceleration for it's type of car. I will never again get a toyota renter car, even if I have to pay extra for something american.
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Especially since the Malibu rental probably only uses the small 2.4 engine. You can get a 250 Hp V6 in the LTZ, for a little more pep!
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:29 PM   #21
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yeah, it was the bottom of the line base model, which says a lot considering how nice of a car it is.
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:28 AM   #22
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Especially since the Malibu rental probably only uses the small 2.4 engine. You can get a 250 Hp V6 in the LTZ, for a little more pep!
My parents have the Aura XR, the cousin to the LTZ. Its fairly impressive for fwd family car. The engine is nice, has a pretty good exhaust note when you give it some gas.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:44 PM   #23
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I drove two rental cars while my GTO was being repaired after a douchebag driving a Pathfinder rear-ended it. The first was a PT cruiser, which was just terrible. The interior looked like it was designed by PlaySkool, not to mention it's laughable exterior appearance. I traded it in for a Cobalt (actually a downgrade) which was a better vehicle, IMO. On my honeymoon in Florida, we ended up with a Dodge Avenger which had the same plastic interior as the PT Cruiser but when you mashed down the accelerator it was good at downshifting. Also the design of the car was easier to stomach.
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Well, Corollas are just generallly an appliance. No one buying them expects to feel excited by them, unless they have been drinking a lot of Toymotor kool-aid.
Personally, I find it laughable that people still think Toyota builds perfect cars. Oh well, understanding is usually years behind.
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