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Old 07-01-2011, 09:39 PM   #26
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I love my Camaro but I still like seeing all the Mustangs and Challengers around, too. It's musclecar heaven. I really thought those days were gone, at least for new cars.

They're all good looking cars although we know the Camaro looks and sounds the best.

Hey, all those ecoweenies can drive their microcars.

Give me a Yankee/Canuck, rip roaring, V-8, 400+ hp, tire shredding, hot rod, pulse pounding, men-still-have-their-balls musclecar.

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Not to surprised the Mustang came out a little ahead for the month. Large incentives on the Mustang and an updated 2012 Camaro on the way probably helped. Still great numbers all around.
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How in the world does Dodge Stay in business. Are they going to stop making the Challenger?
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:35 AM   #29
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the five-oh is selling. ford with lower production may be the only thing that holds it back. good for resale however.
If there were demand for it, Ford would add another shift for Mustnags. There isn't, so they haven't. Last I checked, the 'stang had over 100 days of inventory on the average lot, vs the 'ideal' 60 day supply

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Besides sheet metal, there is very little that is different between the Challenger & the Charger or 300. That added volume is what allows them to keep building Challengers. Plus, the platform is borrowed from the previous generation Mercedez ... E-class, I think, so it doesn't cost them too much to build
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:53 AM   #30
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wait i know this is a good thing, but wouldnt the sales of more and MORE camaros flood the market (like stock exchange) and lower the price of the car? jw
Probably not going to lower the actual MSRP, but it may cause Chevy to throw in some incentives. Low interest or cash back, which would make it cheaper in the long run and probably bring some sales in. To my knowledge there hasn't ever been an incentive of any kind on this car because it sells so well without them. Excluding incentives meant for the whole line-up of Chevy cars, I got $1000 back on mine because my sister has a Saturn Thanks sis!
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:35 AM   #32
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Hmm, interesting to see the spike in Mustang sales in June. Anyone have any theories as to what motivated that?
probably the "new" 6 the ford has!.it's a great engine!
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:13 AM   #34
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Hmm, interesting to see the spike in Mustang sales in June. Anyone have any theories as to what motivated that?
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Last month it was 65% v6. Total for 2011 though
My dealer has 75% v6 on the lot since January or so if that tells you anything. In 2010 it was the other way around, about 60/40 v8
yeah!..the 8's a lot more money,AND people are discovering the 6 has plenty of "balls" gets better gas mileage,and is easier to insure!..just my take!
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yeah!..the 8's a lot more money,AND people are discovering the 6 has plenty of "balls" gets better gas mileage,and is easier to insure!..just my take!
In this case I am going to go with the simplest answer, this same time last year the Mustang had a spike in sales.

The reason this happened during the same time last year was because the 2011s were hitting the streets so they had massive discounts on the 2010s. I am willing to bet that its the $3,000+ cash on the hoods of the 2011s that gave them a boost.

The idea that consumers are just discovering the Mustang which is possible, maybe more people have driven them. Maybe they enjoyed it enough to go out and buy them however the data that we have currently doesn't support that. So until I see data that supports that I am just going to stick with the data that I do have which says bigger discounts on 2011 model to make room for the 2012.
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In this case I am going to go with the simplest answer, this same time last year the Mustang had a spike in sales.

The reason this happened during the same time last year was because the 2011s were hitting the streets so they had massive discounts on the 2010s. I am willing to bet that its the $3,000+ cash on the hoods of the 2011s that gave them a boost.

The idea that consumers are just discovering the Mustang which is possible, maybe more people have driven them. Maybe they enjoyed it enough to go out and buy them however the data that we have currently doesn't support that. So until I see data that supports that I am just going to stick with the data that I do have which says bigger discounts on 2011 model to make room for the 2012.
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As rising fuel prices have driven up demand for the V-6 engine, Ling said Ford has chosen to apportion more supply to the F-150, among its most profitable models. The V-6 Mustang starts at a list price of $22,310, according to Ford.com.

"The V-6 powertrain that's shared with all of our hot products is really very popular right now," Jim Farley, Ford's global marketing chief, said in a June 9 interview. "We have a lower days' supply on Mustang, but we think that's the right way to run that business."

The V-6 engine shortage has left Ford with less than 30 days' supply of Mustangs, half the inventory it had a year ago, Ling said. Ford is now looking for ways to boost production of the V-6, which accounts for 51 percent of Mustang sales, up from 40 percent a year ago, Ling said.

"We're making sure that the truck has enough engines and obviously there is an impact to Mustang," Ling said. "The dealers feel we could sell more" if Ford had more V-6 engines.


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Old 07-02-2011, 05:48 AM   #37
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:45 AM   #38
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I don't know, I think it's kind of boring without the back and forth.

Anyway, it was said in the past month or so here that there was a supply problem with the Mustang, but it fell on deaf ears.

Take a look at the Chevy and Ford lots in your area and count the number of new Camaros and Mustangs available. I think it will be obvious who has a larger supply of cars sitting unsold.
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As rising fuel prices have driven up demand for the V-6 engine, Ling said Ford has chosen to apportion more supply to the F-150, among its most profitable models. The V-6 Mustang starts at a list price of $22,310, according to Ford.com.

"The V-6 powertrain that's shared with all of our hot products is really very popular right now," Jim Farley, Ford's global marketing chief, said in a June 9 interview. "We have a lower days' supply on Mustang, but we think that's the right way to run that business."

The V-6 engine shortage has left Ford with less than 30 days' supply of Mustangs, half the inventory it had a year ago, Ling said. Ford is now looking for ways to boost production of the V-6, which accounts for 51 percent of Mustang sales, up from 40 percent a year ago, Ling said.

"We're making sure that the truck has enough engines and obviously there is an impact to Mustang," Ling said. "The dealers feel we could sell more" if Ford had more V-6 engines.


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I am very skeptical of this and the actual impact on sales of the Mustang, I don't doubt that the shortage of V-6 Mustangs has negatively impacted its sales.

However to completely ignore the incentives is equal to putting blinders on a horse so that it can only see in one direction. I know that Ford fans don't know any better they are willing to believe any BS that Ford feeds them (Most GM fans don't trust GM).

So I am still going to have to go with added incentives to move metal, though a 30 day supply on the V-6 Mustang is less then ideal (60 days). I am willing to bet that it hasn't negatively impacted Mustang sales as much as Ford would like people to believe. Also if true and the Mustang V-6 was at a 30 days supply while the Mustang model was at a 105 days supply then that would have put V-8 Mustangs at something like a 130 day supply.
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How in the world does Dodge Stay in business. Are they going to stop making the Challenger?
I think it has to do with Fiat funding or something. Sadly, I really can't see another generation on the Challenger, which is too bad. Chrysler has a lot of work to do they really are five to ten years behind Ford and GM. I still have my fingers crossed for a new Viper, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:55 PM   #41
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I am very skeptical of this and the actual impact on sales of the Mustang, I don't doubt that the shortage of V-6 Mustangs has negatively impacted its sales.

However to completely ignore the incentives is equal to putting blinders on a horse so that it can only see in one direction. I know that Ford fans don't know any better they are willing to believe any BS that Ford feeds them (Most GM fans don't trust GM).

So I am still going to have to go with added incentives to move metal, though a 30 day supply on the V-6 Mustang is less then ideal (60 days). I am willing to bet that it hasn't negatively impacted Mustang sales as much as Ford would like people to believe. Also if true and the Mustang V-6 was at a 30 days supply while the Mustang model was at a 105 days supply then that would have put V-8 Mustangs at something like a 130 day supply.
Didn't somebody come up with a stat that the Mustang had one of the largest amounts of time in inventory of any vehicle or something like that? I think it was in another thread.
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I don't know, I think it's kind of boring without the back and forth.
I signed up to a Camaro forum because I want to talk about Camaros. If I wanted to hear about Mustangs, I'd go to a Mustang forum.
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Incentives, $3000 cash back I believe for the mustang, compared to no incentives for the camaro.
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No Ford lecture this time? :(
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Well, if you look at the graph the Mustang had a bad dip in the previous month May. I believe they where held up a bit on the availability of the V6. Also realize the Mustang started their 2012 model at the beginning of the year. I have a theory they are looking to outsell the Camaro in the 2012 model year just by having a long run. I see no other reason to push the 2012 out that early, it wasn't like they had any changes or upgrades from the 2011 model. They may have added a color or two.
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Where are you seeing over 3000 in rebates on a Mustang? From what I can tell it's, at most, 500 bucks more than the rebates that have been available for almost the last year. Which 1500-2000 on 2011s and 500 on 2012s (which I know for a fact hasn't changed).
From Ford's website

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/201...ode=&zip=90717

That is where I read it unless Ford got it wrong or they are lying......

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I don't know, I think it's kind of boring without the back and forth.

Anyway, it was said in the past month or so here that there was a supply problem with the Mustang, but it fell on deaf ears.

Take a look at the Chevy and Ford lots in your area and count the number of new Camaros and Mustangs available. I think it will be obvious who has a larger supply of cars sitting unsold.
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No Ford lecture this time? :(

So make up your minds, do you want Mustang owners visiting the site or not? Frankly, I couldn't care less if they posted or not but it seems like this site is schizopheric when it comes to those folks.
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How in the world does Dodge Stay in business. Are they going to stop making the Challenger?
The rumoring on ChallengerTalk is that it will cease in 2013 or 2014. Dodge isn't likely to do much besides a few interior acroutements and fresh colors from here on out.

Many of people over there have been hoping for a manual V6, or a convertible. Does not look like that will pan out.
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Camaro loses 5 month sales streak to Mustang

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So the number was just released for this past month of June regarding sales of the 2011 Mustang and it has swept out the rug from under the Camaro. From January to May, the Camaro was leading the pack with GM’s release of the Convertible Camaro. Last month’s sales totalled to only 6,607 Mustangs but that increased to 8,835 with the Camaro’s sales decreasing from May to June but is still in second place putting an end to their five month streak.

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