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Old 03-13-2012, 02:57 PM   #1
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add a crate motor to 1LT purchase

I want to find out a way to include buying a LS7 7.0 liter crate motor when financing a 2012 1LT.

can you guys give me some advice other than it cant be done?
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:13 PM   #2
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put down about $15k with your purchase.
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:17 PM   #3
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The problem is that an LS7 crate motor is almost $17,000. I know that some of the wheel upgrades are $5,000, but that's a lot of extra to cover. Banks generally will finance a % over the value of the vehicle. You might be able to work it out, but you'd need to sit down with the finance guy at a dealership. I'm sure that they'd want to be able to do this since it's in their best interest to sell you stuff.
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:45 PM   #4
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would LSX be better than LS7 in the long run?
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:20 PM   #5
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What are your plans??
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:27 PM   #6
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It'd be cheaper to just buy a used Z06.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:53 PM   #7
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I dont want a used car, period. i dont enjoy being cheap. the SS and "zl1" engines arent as appealing to me as the LS7 and LSX engines.

my plans are to sell my all original numbers matching 64 impala 2door powerglide canadian frame, my vintage gibson les paul, and some bike shit to try to rally up 15-20 thousand.

I built a factory numbers big block first gen, now i really want to build a high horse LS motor to be a street/strip car that can run on 91.

I want to build a motor for a new camaro during the time period of my warranty, once the warranty expires I want to put the new motor, trans, and rear end in.

I'm really starting to like the tall deck big displacement LSX 454, but would want to build it for forced induction, similar to how the lsx 376 is marketed.

I'd like to find out what I can buy from GMPP when buying my new car. What would be the best way to go about building a tall deck LSX for forced induction, not the high compression? and getting the dealer to be the one selling it to me so i can include it on the financing?

my ETA/goal from purchase is 1 month.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:09 PM   #8
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Id go with a used 1LT, they are around $20k now sometimes under.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:28 PM   #9
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none of the options are really appealing to me, i think the 5 thousand dollar wheels are ugly, for that matter the majority of wheels i've seen on them are unimpressive. paying 500 bucks for some stripes seems like a rip off too, I want all of that money going to performance. I like the look of the 18" steel wheels, they just need a good center cap and need to be all black, no silver. I'm definitely going to put the zl1 fascia on it tho. SSX satin white is very tempting to try to recreate. I want as little options, but as much power as possible. no butt warmers, just displacement.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:37 PM   #10
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why dont you buy the LS instead of the 1LT? and save a few more thousands? i think they start at 22500.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:07 PM   #11
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why dont you buy the LS instead of the 1LT? and save a few more thousands? i think they start at 22500.

thats my plan!


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1LS+LSX motor

I'll buy a strong enough rear end and trans when the warranty expires, but I want to cover the majority of a LSX build with the same financing used for the car (and a hefty down payment)

I want to know more for buying a LSX motor, like what rear end and trans would be best for a high horse build.

I want forced induction, I want the tall deck LSX, but I obviously dont want high compression. is it better to get the complete motor and change rods and pistons and drop compression for forced induction? or is it better to buy all the individual parts to build a tall deck LSX?
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #12
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Can you get a 1LS with console gauges?

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:36 PM   #13
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do any dealers let you opt out of the fancy wheels when buying a 1LT?

basically is there a way to get HUD and Console Gauges with steel wheels and safe a few bucks?
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:00 PM   #14
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You only get HUD and console gauges with the 2LT or 2SS. You can get the parts and add them to an LS though. The gauges are very simple, they are plug and play, but with the HUD, you'll have to cut the dash and get a wiring harness... there's a DIY thread on here about it somewhere.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:34 PM   #15
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shoot. HUD is nice but doesn't seem like its worth thousands of dollars,

how much would installing gauges on a 1LS run me? i think the console gauges are a must. are there different gauges available looking close to stock?

can you include a link?

can you buy console gauges from the dealership?

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Old 03-21-2012, 07:50 PM   #16
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Ive seen many ppl installing the 4 pack gauges, and Ive seen a couple say that they are just plug and play.

Ive also seen plenty of ppl put in aftermarket hud, but you either have to change out the dash, or take the whole thing of and cut a hole in it, also it seems to be tough to calibrate it so the image is sharp when it projects.

People have also added backup cameras, leather, etc, so really whatever you get can be altered to be what you want, especially if you are willing to drop that much on the engine, trans, and rear end.

Got any pics of the gibson, I have a few and wouldnt buy anything else lol
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:42 PM   #17
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:15 AM   #18
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I dont want a used car, period. i dont enjoy being cheap. the SS and "zl1" engines arent as appealing to me as the LS7 and LSX engines.

my plans are to sell my all original numbers matching 64 impala 2door powerglide canadian frame, my vintage gibson les paul, and some bike shit to try to rally up 15-20 thousand.

I built a factory numbers big block first gen, now i really want to build a high horse LS motor to be a street/strip car that can run on 91.

I want to build a motor for a new camaro during the time period of my warranty, once the warranty expires I want to put the new motor, trans, and rear end in.

I'm really starting to like the tall deck big displacement LSX 454, but would want to build it for forced induction, similar to how the lsx 376 is marketed.

I'd like to find out what I can buy from GMPP when buying my new car. What would be the best way to go about building a tall deck LSX for forced induction, not the high compression? and getting the dealer to be the one selling it to me so i can include it on the financing?

my ETA/goal from purchase is 1 month.
Then get the SS and all the extra's you get with it.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:22 AM   #19
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would be a really nice sleeper, maybe start w/ the body/shell purchase, and bulid the car around the motor.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:55 AM   #20
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I TEST DROVE YESTERDAY =) =) =)


i tried a 1LS and a 2SSrs.

I thought the HUD was a absolute must have, until the radio channels and "www.facebook.kellyclarkson.yadda/yadda/yadda" appeared on the windshield...

made me feel sick to my stomach to see facebook on a camaro.

I really liked the 1LS more than the 2SS. the v8 didn't pull hard enough to justify the price tag that seemed to be close to double that of the v6.

it was too bright to notice ambient lighting, and the only must have option for me were those console gauges, but I'd really want to throw some AFR's in there or something. do those trannies give out? trans temp seemed a little odd compared to FIRST GEN's oil pres, fuel, volt, and water temp. still the console gauges are a must have.

The SS's backup cameras were too narrow field of view.

the v6 chirped the tires sufficiently under acceleration.

the steel wheels are growing more and more on me. (their silver rings make them look worse, either red or black on my white car coming)

I'm set on 1LS.

Dublin Chevy in california said they can include GMPP crate engines, and go below MSRP.

i suggested 15 as my down payment, and he said I should try to finance more.

I'm pretty much sold on the 1LS, I just need to learn more about LSX, but I know LSX is the motor I want, just need to figure out the best way to buy one, and what to buy. I need a nice project to work on until warranty expires!!
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Obviously u want a lot of power, but be weary of making a first impression decision on the SS, the nannies, Octane table fuse pull, sport mode setting thing, and break in period have been noted to make a huge difference in the way the car feels, especially when test driving since most of those things are usually affecting the car when its new/ on the lot.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:26 PM   #22
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Got any pics of the gibson, I have a few and wouldnt buy anything else lol
its pretty dirty but just because its been played alot since shown. camera pic really sucks but i'm gonna clean it up and post it on the Les Paul forums.

its a 1979-1980 standard, in a really rare ivory white. this paint was common on sg's and flying v's but hardly seen on les pauls. let me know if you know anyone interested.



here's my 64 impala I'm selling, might bring it to pleasanton goodguys this weekend. #'s match 283 2bbl w/powerglide trans. california black plate car, canadian box frame. super reliable and surprisingly good gas mileage for a v8 impala. super clean driver!



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I TEST DROVE YESTERDAY =) =) =)


i tried a 1LS and a 2SSrs.

I thought the HUD was a absolute must have, until the radio channels and "www.facebook.kellyclarkson.yadda/yadda/yadda" appeared on the windshield...

made me feel sick to my stomach to see facebook on a camaro.

I really liked the 1LS more than the 2SS. the v8 didn't pull hard enough to justify the price tag that seemed to be close to double that of the v6.

it was too bright to notice ambient lighting, and the only must have option for me were those console gauges, but I'd really want to throw some AFR's in there or something. do those trannies give out? trans temp seemed a little odd compared to FIRST GEN's oil pres, fuel, volt, and water temp. still the console gauges are a must have.

The SS's backup cameras were too narrow field of view.

the v6 chirped the tires sufficiently under acceleration.

the steel wheels are growing more and more on me. (their silver rings make them look worse, either red or black on my white car coming)

I'm set on 1LS.

Dublin Chevy in california said they can include GMPP crate engines, and go below MSRP.

i suggested 15 as my down payment, and he said I should try to finance more.

I'm pretty much sold on the 1LS, I just need to learn more about LSX, but I know LSX is the motor I want, just need to figure out the best way to buy one, and what to buy. I need a nice project to work on until warranty expires!!
I'm glad to see that you're happy with the Camaro LS. It's an impressive platform, and it gives you all you need to be basically happy with a Camaro, but I can tell you want more power. I'll get to that in a minute.

Before I discuss upgrading the performance of your LS, let's talk about financing. Your dealer will want you to finance more for 2 reasons: the bank won't finance less than a certain amount, and the dealer makes money on your financing. If you know you're a desirable customer—generally, you have a high credit score—then you should probably see what the bank will give you. I'd take a trip to your bank and set up your financing there. Show up at the dealership with the check your bank gives you.

If you're not a customer with outstanding credit, the LSX plan is going to be more difficult for you. First, you'll need to pay for your new Camaro. The Camaro will probably have high insurance costs, so factor that into your budget. You may not be able to take out a personal loan for the LSX, so have lots of cash available for the engine, which starts around $14k from what I can find. You'll also need to pay for the install and any parts that are necessary for the engine to actually convert to automotive power.

Now that we're back to the engine mod, let's talk about what you'll need to get your car moving under the power of the LSX. Your V6's transmission is not going to bolt to that engine. You need a beefier transmission, and I'm fairly certain that you would be better off getting that from a company that builds race-prepped transmissions. If you're going to such a shop, you might be able to get a discount by purchasing your engine there, too. Buying more parts in one place almost always leads to discounts.

Because you have more power going through your transmission, you're going to need to upgrade the components connecting your transmission to the wheels. You should effectively rip out everything under the car at this point. Your exhaust and headers obviously don't fit, and your suspension isn't going to be adequately converting all of that newfound power to the pavement. That race shop you should have visited in the last paragraph should be able to provide more replacement parts for these, and you should be able to get new axles and a new driveshaft there, too. Don't forget to tune for the upgrades! Besides these parts, you should upgrade your brakes so that you can stop your muscly LS, and I'm sure there are several smaller components that will need replacement along the way.

I'd estimate that your custom LS will cost you up to $25k in extras—an effective doubling of the car's sticker price—to get you to the performance expected of the LSX. That being said, your Camaro will be new, so the parts you're removing may have some resale value, helping you counter at least some of the expense.

While this might be one expensive build, I can tell you that it will be truly custom and worthy of a lot of respect. I hope your modding goes well.
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I TEST DROVE YESTERDAY =) =) =)


i tried a 1LS and a 2SSrs.

I thought the HUD was a absolute must have, until the radio channels and "www.facebook.kellyclarkson.yadda/yadda/yadda" appeared on the windshield...

made me feel sick to my stomach to see facebook on a camaro.

I really liked the 1LS more than the 2SS. the v8 didn't pull hard enough to justify the price tag that seemed to be close to double that of the v6.

it was too bright to notice ambient lighting, and the only must have option for me were those console gauges, but I'd really want to throw some AFR's in there or something. do those trannies give out? trans temp seemed a little odd compared to FIRST GEN's oil pres, fuel, volt, and water temp. still the console gauges are a must have.

The SS's backup cameras were too narrow field of view.

the v6 chirped the tires sufficiently under acceleration.

the steel wheels are growing more and more on me. (their silver rings make them look worse, either red or black on my white car coming)

I'm set on 1LS.

Dublin Chevy in california said they can include GMPP crate engines, and go below MSRP.

i suggested 15 as my down payment, and he said I should try to finance more.

I'm pretty much sold on the 1LS, I just need to learn more about LSX, but I know LSX is the motor I want, just need to figure out the best way to buy one, and what to buy. I need a nice project to work on until warranty expires!!
The LSX is a very expensive undertaking that requires some other upgrades to run safely. I know from experience
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The LSX is a very expensive undertaking that requires some other upgrades to run safely. I know from experience

can you tell me more?
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