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Old 07-29-2011, 12:48 PM   #26
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I use an air chisel with a rounded tip to vibrate off the lower sub-frame cover plates. Here is the short version.



The longer version is in the middle of this West Coast Customs video clip.

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Old 08-18-2011, 10:46 AM   #27
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Lots of EP1200 incoming questions. I wish this thread was a sticky. Great Post and Thanks Again.

Would you mind if I copied over to our customer support section?
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:51 PM   #28
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Lots of EP1200 incoming questions. I wish this thread was a sticky. Great Post and Thanks Again.

Would you mind if I copied over to our customer support section?
If you're asking me I'm good with you doing whatever you want with it.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:11 PM   #29
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If you're asking me I'm good with you doing whatever you want with it.
Yes sir I am asking if I can repost it under your user name. It is OK with you?

BTw, have you had a chance to autocross your Camaro since the install?
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Yes sir I am asking if I can repost it under your user name. It is OK with you?

BTw, have you had a chance to autocross your Camaro since the install?
Sure...you can post it using my username.

Haven't had a chance to AutoX or Dragrace since adding them. The heat wave we've been having is keeping me from the track. 107 degrees in the shade today.

A month or so ago my dad and brother took our race car out to the drag strip and the track temp was reading right around 135 degrees. Just to hot for me right now.

Hopefully by the end of Sept or in Oct it will be cool enough to go out and report back.......which I will do once I've made it to the track.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:22 PM   #31
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Sure...you can post it using my username.

Haven't had a chance to AutoX or Dragrace since adding them. The heat wave we've been having is keeping me from the track. 107 degrees in the shade today.

A month or so ago my dad and brother took our race car out to the drag strip and the track temp was reading right around 135 degrees. Just to hot for me right now.

Hopefully by the end of Sept or in Oct it will be cool enough to go out and report back.......which I will do once I've made it to the track.
I feel your pain with the heat. The other day it was only 99 and the local weather said we were in a cool wave

Take a look at this and let me know if anything should be changed. http://forums.peddersusa.com/showthr...=6833#post6833
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I feel your pain with the heat. The other day it was only 99 and the local weather said we were in a cool wave

Take a look at this and let me know if anything should be changed. http://forums.peddersusa.com/showthr...=6833#post6833
looks good to me.

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Old 08-18-2011, 04:47 PM   #33
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135 degrees.

Damn. I'd tear my whole car up in that with my luck.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:54 PM   #34
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looks good to me.

Thanks for all your help.
Thank you for a great detailed post.
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Hey caverman, did you ever go to the track to test these out?
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:34 AM   #36
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Hey caverman, did you ever go to the track to test these out?
Yes, in a way. By the time I got to the drag strip I had also added some coilovers. So, I didn't get to test just this upgrade by itself.

However, the first time out I had the Pedders inserts, Hotchkis brace, and Coilovers. I didn't really increase my time at all. I ended up getting some answers about my settings on my coilovers at the drag strip. I also removed the Hotchkis brace. Went back to the track with different coilover settings and I got .02 tenths faster at the track.

I still think Pedders inserts are a much better choice that what I had and I recommend them all the time. They cost a little more than the other brands but are worth it.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:57 AM   #37
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I love this thread!
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Is pedders or bmr better just wondering before.i pull the trigger!
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:04 PM   #39
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Is pedders or bmr better just wondering before.i pull the trigger!
I can't speak of BMR because I have no experience with them.

But PEDDERS comes with the most support I've EVER seen with ANY product I have ever bought plus I've THRASHED on my car and all is still good.

Buy PEDDERS and be done with it.

Plus, the owner of PEDDERS USA is one of our most active members and regular joe.


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Is pedders or bmr better just wondering before.i pull the trigger!
As I mention at the begining of the thread, based on design alone Pedders is worth the extra money. I know BMR is cheaper but install is not nearly as easy.

I don't have specific experience with BMR bushings but there are rummors (and take it as that) that Energy Suspension makes the inserts for BMR. The lube that comes with the BMR bushings even says Energy Suspension on it.

What I do have is experience with both Energy and Pedders inserts. Lets not even talk about install but just look at the firmness of the poly. Look at the pictures I posted in this thread. You can see undeniable difference between the firmess of Pedders compared to the weakness of the Energy. That should make you spend the extra money for Pedders right there.

I have no vested intrest in Pedders. I'm just passing along my personal experience. I have a mixture of almost every suspsension vendor on here. I use differnent vendors based on price and performance. I have an LSR front sway bar, Pedders ZL1 rear swaybar, Pedders cradle inserts, Whiteline rearend bushings and Radius Rod bushings, Spohn Trailing Arms, BMR Toe Rods, BC Coilovers, and Pfadt Trailing Arm bushings (and had Energy Suspension for about 2 weeks).......a little something from everyone. It just worked out that way.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:42 PM   #41
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Since this thread has been dug up again I need to post a picture of the 2 hammer trick to get the cradle washer hats off. I thought I had posted this earlier in the thread but I guess I didn't.

A good 3 or 4 blows of the hammer and the washers come right off. Just keep an eye out one where they go flying to when the pop off.

Also the torque specs on the bolts are something like 120 ft lbs. That's almost impossible to get with a hand held torque wrench. Instead just clean off the bolts, add some blue locktite, and torque to 80 or 85 ft lbs.
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I started with Pfadt and ended up replacing it all with Pedders.

Not that the Pfadt parts weren't doing the job but I upgraded.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:15 AM   #43
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:09 AM   #44
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I need to get over to Pedders and spend some money .... Lol
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:26 AM   #45
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Well I received my BMR cradle inserts the other day.

Just wanted to confirm Caverman's suspicions that BMR inserts are in fact Energy Suspension inserts .

Not that it is a bad thing,we already know that Pedders inserts are much better,just kinda bummed that absolutely no Vendors here have said as such when asked multiple times.

I am going to go ahead and use them anyway as I'm sure it will be an improvement and some people have some good reviews.

Just wanted to educate the consumers here.You can save $50 to $70 bucks buying them from sources other than BMR and more than that directly from BMR.

You can also buy Energy Suspension inserts around the net and E-bay for less than $100 all day long.

Again,defiantly not Bashing BMR,I have lots of their stuff,but is misleading as I thought I was getting something better(different) than Energy Suspension inserts due to the much higher cost.

Lesson learned.
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Thanks for the update.

You will still feel them. They will help you feel more planted vs OEM for sure. Understand that most people don't have experience using both bushings. They purchase one brand, install them, feel a difference and all is good. Understanabley most don't take them out and try another brand.

It's mostly the front top inserts that are such a PITA to get in. Like I mentioned in the other thread, if you lower the cradle all the way down so you can get a straight shot from the top you might have a better chance at getting the front inserts to go in straight. If they start to go in sideways at all....stop, pull them back out and try again.

BTW: everyone says to not use that lube that comes in the kit. Just install them dry. Again, probably won't hurt if you do, I did before I found out, but they sure attract alot of dirt if you do. Mine bushings are now black instead of red.

Good luck with the install. Use the 2 hammer approach to get those washer hat off.
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Thanks for the tips Caverman

Just finished the install and it really wasn't that bad.The front top inserts were by far the tuffest one to get in.I used a "C" clamp to get them all the way down.

I always left at least one bolt in by a few threads to avoid shift,but I doubt it would by much.Not sure why the instructions say to disconnect the E-brake,calipers and a bunch of other stuff ...all you really need to disconnect is the fuel pump power line.

Also used Armor All as lube and they slipped rite in...never liked that sticky nasty grease supplied.Overall I think they fit pretty good and surely will be an improvement after seeing first hand how big the rubber bushes voids are.

Too bad we are having our once a year snow here today,so will have to wait until tomorrow to take a spin.
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Went for a test drive yesterday,

Wow,what a difference.The ass end is much more predicable and no longer steps out.I did add PHADT outer lower control arm bushings at the same time,but can tell most of the gain was from the firmly mounted Cradle.

I am now seeing and feeling the full benefits of my FE5(ZL1 sways and lower control arms) much,much more.There is very,very little increase in NVH but can tell something is different.A smooth quiet ride is very important to me so it is a win-win.

I will say this,what ever brand you chose to use for inserts,it is defiantly worth the effort.I just don't see how Pedders could be that much different since all the inserts do is fill the voids, so even if they are slightly stiffer it would be nearly impossible to tell by driving the car.

If you want to spend triple for just inserts by all means go with them,but for a good bang for the buck,the Energy Suspension (BMR) inserts are good as well.

Ok,done with review and on to next Mod
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