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Old 03-17-2009, 09:37 PM   #1
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Radar detection systems?

I have never bought a radar system before, does anyone recommend a specific one? Also how well do they work, I asked a cop once and he said that they don't always work?
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same i'm looking for something that detects AND scrambles
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I have a Beltronics RX65 Professional series. when I bought it about a year and a half ago it was considered to be the best on the market. Prior to that I had a Beltronics Vector 990, it too was considered to be the best by every testing lab/company out there. I paid over $300 for both, best $600 I ever spent, it pays for itself after the ticket you avoid. I have paid for mine many times over... MANY! This is an area where you get what you pay for, seriously. Beltronics is considered to be the best... sure there are others but Beltronics has the highest rating across the board I have seen. I have not looked in the last year or so, it may have changed... but I doubt it. The key is to always have it on, and in a good location (even though mine still works if its hiding in the glove box LOL). You still have to keep an eye out for cycle cops who don't run radar while riding usually, and for the ones who sneak up behind you with their radar off and "pop" it, the RX65 has "POP" detection, so if your out in the open your nailed... if your in a bunch of traffic, you can slide over and down out of the way if your good, and not obvious about it.

Too don't believe everything a cop tells you about Radar... unless that cop was a radar technician for 40 years like my grandfather was. He use to be a cycle cop for the Bakersfield PD for a few years, but before and then later after that he was a radar technician for the government, My father was too, and still is to some degree he is now the manager for the guys who fix the radars... anyway point being they both have said CHP radar is not that accurate, it can't pinpoint you out of a crowd like they want you to believe, and it can't accurately judge speed if its bouncing around a corner of a mountain etc... like one tried to tell me LMAO! He about $hit brick when I told him he was FOS and explained to him why... anyway check out the Beltronics line, and again, you may spend a chunk of money for a decent one, but it's worth it!!

EDIT: Check this out, find an old Radar detector and get an $80 rebate from Beltronics, looks like the new big dog is the GX65...
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that sounds great. JOOC does it scramble ?
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there is always the escort SRX radar detector and laser shifter.

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From their site.

"The BELTRONICS Professional Series GX65 is the most sophisticated radar and laser detector in the world.
The GX65 delivers the best long-range warning on all radar bands including X, K, Superwide Ka, Ku and instant-on POP. Multiple front and rear laser sensors provide 360 degree laser protection, including the widest field of view.
The BELTRONICS Pro GX65's GPS powered technology provides permanent relief from false alarms including automatic door openers, motion sensors and other radar-based sensors. And, it comes preloaded with thousands of red light and fixed position speed camera locations throughout North America."

Does not look like it, you may have to get a separate unit to do that...

The only one that comes up on the net in my quick glance is by Rocky mountain Radar. Never heard of them. Not sure how well their detection works compaied to Beltronics.
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i'd rather go with beltronics
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i'd rather go with beltronics
You won't regret it, I put tons of research into things usually before I buy them I looked hard, read tons of reviews customer and professional reviews etc... Beltronics came out on top. What I found most interesting was that the kind you can mount sensors in your front and rear bumpers don't work as well, at first I thought they would, but when you think about it the higher up they are the better off, because radar cant penetrate solid objects like cars so by having it low at the bumper your actually doing a disservice to yourself. Like i mentioned in my earlier post, I put my detector in my center console glove box when I leave my vehicle, "out of sight out of mind" so no one break in to steal it, anyway sometimes I forget to take it out, and I'll be driving down the road and hear it go off LOL "Oh woops guess I should take that out now"
Sounds conflicting I guess the radar bounces around enough that it sneaks its way into my glove box... just incase the Highway Patrol wants to see how fast my pens are bouncing around in there...
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same i'm looking for something that detects AND scrambles
NO detector (at least no detector on the free, legit, open, and standard American market) scrambles. Scrambling radar is illegal - those are radio frequencies which are regulated by the FCC..... you scramble a cop's radar and you're not headed to your local yocal trafic court, you're headed to your local Federal courthouse.

Now, Escort makes a LASER diffuser, which is not illegal because laser uses light and so far there is no regulation on that (although give our great congress a chance and I have no doubt one day there will be, but I digress). It costs about two grand, must be installed by a professional, and is internally hard mounted into your front and rear bumpers.
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You should check out: http://www.radarbusters.com/ ...This site has, probably, the most comprehensive and detailed reviews on the net. I, personally would go with the Escort Passport 9500ix; if you're on a budget, go with the 8500 x50; same radar, just not as many 'other' features. But you can't go wrong with Beltronics and the Valentine system. Just do you're homework first. If you buy something crappy, it will cost you with unnecessary speeding tickets.
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NO detector (at least no detector on the free, legit, open, and standard American market) scrambles. Scrambling radar is illegal - those are radio frequencies which are regulated by the FCC..... you scramble a cop's radar and you're not headed to your local yocal trafic court, you're headed to your local Federal courthouse.

Now, Escort makes a LASER diffuser, which is not illegal because laser uses light and so far there is no regulation on that (although give our great congress a chance and I have no doubt one day there will be, but I digress). It costs about two grand, must be installed by a professional, and is internally hard mounted into your front and rear bumpers.
lol not in NY both scanners and jammers are legal

http://www.1stradardetectors.com/rad...ector-laws.php
New York
Radar Detectors in New York: Radar detectors are [COLOR="SeaGreen"]legal[/COLOR] to use in New York, however they may not be used in commercial vehicles.

Laser Jammers in New York: Laser jammers are legal to use in New York.



http://www.radarbusters.com/newyorkr...awsarticle.cfm

Radar laser detectors and laser jammers are legal to own and operate in passenger vehicles in the state of New York.


http://www.insurance.com/article.asp...ties/artid/364
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Laser jammers, on the other hand, are not banned by either federal or New York law at this time.
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:31 PM   #13
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lol not in NY both scanners and jammers are legal

http://www.1stradardetectors.com/rad...ector-laws.php
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Radar Detectors in New York: Radar detectors are [COLOR="SeaGreen"]legal[/COLOR] to use in New York, however they may not be used in commercial vehicles.

Laser Jammers in New York: Laser jammers are legal to use in New York.



http://www.radarbusters.com/newyorkr...awsarticle.cfm

Radar laser detectors and laser jammers are legal to own and operate in passenger vehicles in the state of New York.


http://www.insurance.com/article.asp...ties/artid/364

Probably about 10 years ago, I swear I remember reading somewhere that radar detectors were illegal in more states than jammers.... who knows if that's true, but I am just throwing it out there
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Probably about 10 years ago, I swear I remember reading somewhere that radar detectors were illegal in more states than jammers.... who knows if that's true, but I am just throwing it out there
the site radarbusters is pretty up to date bcuz they review most radars on the market but idk you could be right
there was a bill in NY back in '08 but i dunno if it got passed
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State Senators Carl Marcellino, Thomas Morahan and Stephen Saland, and Assembly Member Harvey Weisenberg are proposing legislation to the New York Senate and Assembly that would ban the use of radar and laser detectors in New York.
Proposed Senate Bill SB 06934 and Assembly Bill A 10482
SYNOPSIS
"No radar detector, laser detector, or radar or laser blocking device shall be used in any motor vehicle" upon public highways by any person(s) in New York.
This proposal if made law, would ban the use of your radar detector in New York and potentially affect your out-of-state friends and relatives who visit as well as out-of-state business travelers and state tourism.


The motivation for this legislation is vague and unsupportable.


* This bill is not backed up by concrete cases or facts. In fact, this bill fails to recognize that drivers with radar detectors are safer than drivers without radar detectors.
* This bill will not make the highways safer, reduce accidents nor will it reduce the cost of auto insurance.
* This bill is designed to raise revenue, not make highways safer. Assumed that fines would be collected by the State of New York, the bill does not provide that infractions be placed on one's driving record, thus promoting the perception that the focus of this bill is about revenue generation.

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* Radar detector bans do not work. Research and experience show that a radar detector ban does not have lower accident rates, improve speed-limit compliance or reduce auto insurance expenditures.
* Radar detector bans are difficult and expensive to enforce. They divert precious law enforcement resources from more important duties.
*Radar detectors are legal in 49 states. In fact, the first state to test a radar detector ban, Connecticut, repealed the law - it ruled the law was ineffective and unfair.
*This bill will unfairly burden, or place at risk, persons who own or have installed radar detectors in their automobiles and travel to New York without knowledge of the ban. Guests of New York who inadvertently leave a radar detector in their car may be caught and face predatory fines while visiting our state!
*The intentions and priorities for this bill are unsupportable.
* It has never been shown that radar detectors cause accidents or even encourage motorists to drive faster than they would otherwise. The Yankelovich - Clancy - Shulman Radar Detector Study conducted in 1987, showed that radar detector users drove an average of 34% further between accidents (233,933 miles versus 174,554 miles) than non radar detector users. The study also showed that they have much higher seat belt use compliance. If drivers with radar detectors have fewer accidents, it follows that they have reduced insurance costs - it is counterproductive to ban radar detectors.
*In a similar study performed in Great Britain by MORI in 2001 the summary reports that "Users (of radar detectors) appear to travel 50% further between accidents than non-users. In this survey the users interviewed traveling on average 217,353 miles between accidents compared to 143,401 miles between accidents of those non-users randomly drawn from the general public." The MORI study also reported "Three quarters agree, perhaps unsurprisingly, that since purchasing a radar detector they have become more conscious about keeping to the speed limit..." and "Three in five detector users claim to have become a safer driver since purchasing a detector."
*Modern radar detectors play a significant role in preventing accidents and laying the technology foundation for the Safety Warning System® (SWS). Radar detectors with SWS alert motorists to oncoming emergency vehicles, potential road hazards, and unusual traffic conditions. There are more than 10 million radar detectors with SWS in use nationwide. The federal government has earmarked $2.1 million for further study of the SWS over a three-year period of time. The U.S. Department of Transportation is administering grants to state and local governments to purchase the SWS system and study its effectiveness (for example, in the form of SWS transmitters for school buses and emergency vehicles). The drivers of New York deserve the right to the important safety benefits that SWS delivers.
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I have a Beltronics RX65 Professional series. when I bought it about a year and a half ago it was considered to be the best on the market. Prior to that I had a Beltronics Vector 990, it too was considered to be the best by every testing lab/company out there. I paid over $300 for both, best $600 I ever spent, it pays for itself after the ticket you avoid. I have paid for mine many times over... MANY! This is an area where you get what you pay for, seriously. Beltronics is considered to be the best... sure there are others but Beltronics has the highest rating across the board I have seen. I have not looked in the last year or so, it may have changed... but I doubt it. The key is to always have it on, and in a good location (even though mine still works if its hiding in the glove box LOL). You still have to keep an eye out for cycle cops who don't run radar while riding usually, and for the ones who sneak up behind you with their radar off and "pop" it, the RX65 has "POP" detection, so if your out in the open your nailed... if your in a bunch of traffic, you can slide over and down out of the way if your good, and not obvious about it.

Too don't believe everything a cop tells you about Radar... unless that cop was a radar technician for 40 years like my grandfather was. He use to be a cycle cop for the Bakersfield PD for a few years, but before and then later after that he was a radar technician for the government, My father was too, and still is to some degree he is now the manager for the guys who fix the radars... anyway point being they both have said CHP radar is not that accurate, it can't pinpoint you out of a crowd like they want you to believe, and it can't accurately judge speed if its bouncing around a corner of a mountain etc... like one tried to tell me LMAO! He about $hit brick when I told him he was FOS and explained to him why... anyway check out the Beltronics line, and again, you may spend a chunk of money for a decent one, but it's worth it!!

EDIT: Check this out, find an old Radar detector and get an $80 rebate from Beltronics, looks like the new big dog is the GX65...
http://www.beltronics.com/trade-in-program.php



i couldnt agree more . I love my beltronics RX-65 red .everytime i drive to houston from dallas it saves me about 3 times (twice inbetween Dallas and Ennis alone).


When i finally get my SS i think i will be installing a RX75 plus.Remote mount with radar detection and laser jamming

https://www.beltronics.com/store/rx75-plus.html

Here are some places to read up on radar detectors.He's a radar gun trainer for cops,and was a traffic cop himself for many years.he also tests radar detectors

http://www.radarroy.com/category/laser-jammers/
http://www.radarroysbuyersguide.com/
http://www.radarbusters.com/productr...onsarticle.cfm


AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY AWAY FROM ROCKY MOUNTAIN RADAR!!!!
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lol not in NY both scanners and jammers are legal

http://www.1stradardetectors.com/rad...ector-laws.php
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Radar Detectors in New York: Radar detectors are [COLOR="SeaGreen"]legal[/COLOR] to use in New York, however they may not be used in commercial vehicles.

Laser Jammers in New York: Laser jammers are legal to use in New York.



http://www.radarbusters.com/newyorkr...awsarticle.cfm

Radar laser detectors and laser jammers are legal to own and operate in passenger vehicles in the state of New York.


http://www.insurance.com/article.asp...ties/artid/364
Unfortunately you are not entirely correct - yes, LASER jammers are legal - like I said in my post they are legal everywhere (untill congress comes up with a way to regulate the sun and the wave properties of luminence).

It's RADAR jammers that are illegal everywhere, and if anyone tells you otherwise, they're wrong. RADAR works on radio frequency, and at least as the FCC is concerned messing with police radar is the same as jamming a TV or radio station signal - big, big no-no.

Your standard, run of the mill radar and laser DETECTORS are legal everywhere but Virginia and Washington DC.
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i'm new to this but i've been hearing alot about POP detection i think i got the just of it but can someone just clear it up for me and what you should do if u get popped

btw doe sth radar make different sound when u get popped ?
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Pop is when the police turn their radar on and off. With most older radar (X, K bands), the police just sit with the radar on constantly all the time. That sends out the radio frequencies which bounce off your car at different frequencies in relationship with how fast you go (that's how a radar calculates speed). A decent radar detector can pick these up from upwards of 2 miles away (I have an Escort and it has extremely long range on lower band radar). These radio frequencies bounce off anything metal, so the more trafic the sooner you will be picking them up as you approach.

With Ka band, it's a much higher frequency, so the radar doesn't need to be on all the time. The police can basically treat it like laser and pull the trigger on any time. Only difference between that an laser is you can aim laser like a sharp shooter with a rifle and pick off one single target in the pack of doezens. With Ka, the police would still have to determine which car is going the speed that is showing on the display.

So, that is "poping". A good detector might give you some time if a cop is poping and there's alot of trafic, but if not, it's about as good as laser, and when you get hit with a Ka pop or laser, you might as well pull over.
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Pop is when the police turn their radar on and off. With most older radar (X, K bands), the police just sit with the radar on constantly all the time. That sends out the radio frequencies which bounce off your car at different frequencies in relationship with how fast you go (that's how a radar calculates speed). A decent radar detector can pick these up from upwards of 2 miles away (I have an Escort and it has extremely long range on lower band radar). These radio frequencies bounce off anything metal, so the more trafic the sooner you will be picking them up as you approach.

With Ka band, it's a much higher frequency, so the radar doesn't need to be on all the time. The police can basically treat it like laser and pull the trigger on any time. Only difference between that an laser is you can aim laser like a sharp shooter with a rifle and pick off one single target in the pack of doezens. With Ka, the police would still have to determine which car is going the speed that is showing on the display.

So, that is "poping". A good detector might give you some time if a cop is poping and there's alot of trafic, but if not, it's about as good as laser, and when you get hit with a Ka pop or laser, you might as well pull over.
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MPH Industries first introduced POP radar technology (also known as the Super Bee) in its radar guns in 1999 as a way to defeat radar detectors. Today MPH's radar guns while operating in POP mode, can defeat over 85% of the radar detectors in use today.

POP mode works by sending out a quick burst of pulse radar at approximately 67 milliseconds. MPH Industries admits that while in this mode, that the displayed speed of a vehicle may not be accurate. They recommend that the officer only use this mode to obtain an estimate of speed from the target vehicle, establish a vehicle tracking history, and then switch to normal mode to obtain the exact speed.

Therefore POP mode is seldom, if ever used by law enforcement and should not be a major concern as an "important feature" in considering your radar detector.

In fact, most radar detectors that have the POP mode have it disabled by default, as activating POP on detectors, opens it up to receive a false alerts.
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Pop is when the police turn their radar on and off. With most older radar (X, K bands), the police just sit with the radar on constantly all the time. That sends out the radio frequencies which bounce off your car at different frequencies in relationship with how fast you go (that's how a radar calculates speed). A decent radar detector can pick these up from upwards of 2 miles away (I have an Escort and it has extremely long range on lower band radar). These radio frequencies bounce off anything metal, so the more trafic the sooner you will be picking them up as you approach.

With Ka band, it's a much higher frequency, so the radar doesn't need to be on all the time. The police can basically treat it like laser and pull the trigger on any time. Only difference between that an laser is you can aim laser like a sharp shooter with a rifle and pick off one single target in the pack of doezens. With Ka, the police would still have to determine which car is going the speed that is showing on the display.

So, that is "poping". A good detector might give you some time if a cop is poping and there's alot of trafic, but if not, it's about as good as laser, and when you get hit with a Ka pop or laser, you might as well pull over.


...So basically, with the new speed detection systems cops use, the only time your radar detector is going to be useful is in traffic, where your detector can pick up the cops using it on other cars. Otherwise, if you're driving in the middle of the night and there are no cars on the road; the cops will simply wait to see your car first, then turn on their radar, and detect you at the same time your radar detector goes off, which is too late. At that point; your radar detector becomes and a 'time to pull over' detector.
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MPH Industries first introduced POP radar technology (also known as the Super Bee) in its radar guns in 1999 as a way to defeat radar detectors. Today MPH's radar guns while operating in POP mode, can defeat over 85% of the radar detectors in use today.

POP mode works by sending out a quick burst of pulse radar at approximately 67 milliseconds. MPH Industries admits that while in this mode, that the displayed speed of a vehicle may not be accurate. They recommend that the officer only use this mode to obtain an estimate of speed from the target vehicle, establish a vehicle tracking history, and then switch to normal mode to obtain the exact speed.

Therefore POP mode is seldom, if ever used by law enforcement and should not be a major concern as an "important feature" in considering your radar detector.

In fact, most radar detectors that have the POP mode have it disabled by default, as activating POP on detectors, opens it up to receive a false alerts.


Does this apply to Laser, which is pretty much instant as well?
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...So basically, with the new speed detection systems cops use, the only time your radar detector is going to be useful is in traffic, where your detector can pick up the cops using it on other cars. Otherwise, if you're driving in the middle of the night and there are no cars on the road; the cops will simply wait to see your car first, then turn on their radar, and detect you at the same time your radar detector goes off, which is too late. At that point; your radar detector becomes and a 'time to pull over' detector.
Radar detectors are to be used in conjunction with Common sense,Awareness of your surroundings,and quick reflexes.
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Radar detectors are to be used in conjunction with Common sense,Awareness of your surroundings,and quick reflexes.
thats another thing i never got, wheni was younger i used to think radar detectors were to warn u there was a cop around and slow down but now i'm hearing to move into more traffic two lanes over, then slow down ........
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After we get our Camaro SSs, I don't think we need to worry about radar detectors because I just know all the fine people of Camaro5.com will NEVER drive above posted speed limits
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