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Old 03-18-2009, 11:38 AM   #1
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Dodge will be having a rough time

Hey guys, I'm new.

Currently drive a 3.5L Dodge Charger. Very nice car, RWD and everything, but I've always been a pony car kinda guy.

So...


for $35K you get

Challenger R/T
378hp 5.7L Hemi (330hp to the wheels)
6-speed manual
Track suspension
20" Wheels
Positraction

0-60 in 5.1 sec
13.6 sec @ 104.9 mph

Camaro 1SS
420hp LS3
6-speed manual
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20" wheels
Brembo brakes
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0-60 in 4.7sec
13.4-second quarter-mile at 108mpg


So really, with the Camaro you're getting SRT8 performace for an R/T price. I know that in 2 years I'll have a very hard time deciding which to go with. Hopefully for Dodge, they'll be a bit more competitive by then.

Remains to be seen how well the camaro drives (the LX platform is luxury car smooth and handles very well, that's for sure), but unless dodge can offer brembos and >410hp for the 1ss price point, it's no contest
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:42 AM   #2
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actually, for $35k your getting 2ss not 1ss
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The Camaro SS is actually like this

426 HP LS3
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12.9 sec @ 111 mph
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:44 AM   #4
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track suspension ( IRS- Dodge does not offer )
+1, except for this...

The Challenger is an IRS platform, however it's awefully "cushy".
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:47 AM   #5
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The Camaro SS is actually like this

426 HP LS3
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12.9 sec @ 111 mph
where was 12.9? all i saw for the SS was low 13s (edmunds)

The LX cars all have 5-link independent rear suspension btw. R/T can get Road & track springs and shocks and the SRT springs/shocks/sways are better still
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:50 AM   #6
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where was 12.9? all i saw for the SS was low 13s (edmunds)

The LX cars all have 5-link independent rear suspension btw. R/T can get Road & track springs and shocks and the SRT springs/shocks/sways are better still
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where was 12.9? all i saw for the SS was low 13s (edmunds)
It was released with the start of production by GM, that the M6 SS will return a 12.9 1/4, and the A6 SS will do 13.2.

EDIT: UFC w00t beat me to it.
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Sweet. Better than SRT numbers. Unbelievable. 2010 will be a very interesting model year.
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+1, except for this...

The Challenger is an IRS platform, however it's awefully "cushy".
You are being too kind. I drive the R/T and really, really wanted to love it, but it was simply a tank.
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I know the SRT is supposedly the top dog Challenger, however for all that extra money over the RT you don't really get very much. 50HP and Brembo brakes is about all it boils down to. Those Brembos only stop the SRT about 4 feet shorter to boot.

I went with the RT back when they were EP++ and it ended up being $10K less than the SRT, and about $5K less than a 2SS/RS, plus 0% financing.

Finally, it seems most folks are getting under 5 second 0-60 times in the Challenger RT. 4.7 - 4.8 seems to be the average. I think the reason behind that is the fact that when optioned with 20" wheels you get 3.92 gears. Mine has this option and I can tell you it makes a big difference.

I've not gotten mine broken in enough to do any 0-60 testing as of yet. The RT has a built in 0-60 timer in the EVIC computer so I'll do some once I get 1,000 miles or so on the motor.
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You are being too kind. I drive the R/T and really, really wanted to love it, but it was simply a tank.
Would it be fair to expect the Camaro to handle similar to BMWs and the Challenger to handle similar to Benz's??
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I know the SRT is supposedly the top dog Challenger, however for all that extra money over the RT you don't really get very much. 50HP and Brembo brakes is about all it boils down to. Those Brembos only stop the SRT about 4 feet shorter to boot.

I went with the RT back when they were EP++ and it ended up being $10K less than the SRT, and about $5K less than a 2SS/RS, plus 0% financing.

Finally, it seems most folks are getting under 5 second 0-60 times in the Challenger RT. 4.7 - 4.8 seems to be the average. I think the reason behind that is the fact that when optioned with 20" wheels you get 3.92 gears. Mine has this option and I can tell you it makes a big difference.

I've not gotten mine broken in enough to do any 0-60 testing as of yet. The RT has a built in 0-60 timer in the EVIC computer so I'll do some once I get 1,000 miles or so on the motor.

pics?

Did you get the R&T suspension?

Also does your EVIC have all the perf pages or just 0-60?
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so if your so in to pony cars why did you buy one that isn't real?? can you show me an old charger that has four doors??
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:16 PM   #14
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so if your so in to pony cars why did you buy one that isn't real?? can you show me an old charger that has four doors??
because for the price, the POS chevy malibu cannot even hope to compare.
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so if your so in to pony cars why did you buy one that isn't real?? can you show me an old charger that has four doors??
show me a muscle car that didnt have a hemi?



its a MODERN muscle car.....so is the camaro challenger g8 gto and your corvette....dont play the whole 4 door bs ....
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btw the challenger RT is underrated ...it is more like the ram 5.7 which is 390 hp

weighs less than the srt and kenne bell has a twin screw coming out for it in may....and we all know what kenne can bring to the table. IF you only want performance get the camaro...but if you are looking for the overall package, look at all 3 muscle cars including a used charger srt8.
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pics?

Did you get the R&T suspension?

Also does your EVIC have all the perf pages or just 0-60?
Yeah it came with the track package (all 6 speed manuals do).

The EVIC has some kind of hidden functionality. It does not have the G-meter that the SRT has, but it does have the 0-60 and some other goodies. To access these "easter eggs" you hold down two buttons on the steering wheel.

Here are a couple of pics from a photo shoot I did (I love photography). There are more on my website at www.speedysgarage.net if you wanna take a look.

This thing gets A LOT of attention. I don't think there's been one day that I've driven it that someone hasn't stopped me to ask about it, or some girl start chatting me up at a red light. Makes for interesting drives for sure.

I could have had either a SRT or a RT. I chose the RT as it was MUCH more bang for the buck than a SRT.



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Great pics. Been on the fence as to if I like Hemi orange or not, i'm a Stone White kinda guy myself, but those pics look hot.
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Great pics. Been on the fence as to if I like Hemi orange or not, i'm a Stone White kinda guy myself, but those pics look hot.
Thanks. Mine had to be orange
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I've driven the Challenger, sat in a Camaro 2SS and I've driven the G8 (The Zeta-platform mate of the Camaro)

And to say that they are even in the same league is rediculous. I love the challengers exterior styling but the interior design blows... just blows. The steering wheel sucks, and to top it all off, there is absolutely no steering feel, they boosted the shit out of the Power Steering. In the G8 (which will have the same steering rack and similar setup as the Camaro) the steering is spot on. BMW like quality. Its an incredible thing.

For Performance: Camaro
For Interior Design: Camaro
For Exterior Looks: Challenger
For Overall Driving Satisfaction: Camaro

In the end its up to you, but unless you are willing to sacrifice Driver-Feedback and go with a dark, poorly designed interior, for the drop dead gorgeous Challenger, I'd have to go with the Camaro.
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I've driven the Challenger, sat in a Camaro 2SS and I've driven the G8 (The Zeta-platform mate of the Camaro)

And to say that they are even in the same league is rediculous. I love the challengers exterior styling but the interior design blows... just blows. The steering wheel sucks, and to top it all off, there is absolutely no steering feel, they boosted the shit out of the Power Steering. In the G8 (which will have the same steering rack and similar setup as the Camaro) the steering is spot on. BMW like quality. Its an incredible thing.

For Performance: Camaro
For Interior Design: Camaro
For Exterior Looks: Challenger
For Overall Driving Satisfaction: Camaro

In the end its up to you, but unless you are willing to sacrifice Driver-Feedback and go with a dark, poorly designed interior, for the drop dead gorgeous Challenger, I'd have to go with the Camaro.
Agreed on the steering numbness. Steering is very precise but it took me a minute to learn to use visual cues and gut acceleromter to gauge steering response.

I don't see where you're coming from vis a vis interior though.

Challenger interior is a bit plain but that said it's clean, functional, and aof good quality. Looks classy but not very fancy.

Camaro interior has some awful cues that ruing the execution.

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btw the challenger RT is underrated ...it is more like the ram 5.7 which is 390 hp

weighs less than the srt and kenne bell has a twin screw coming out for it in may....and we all know what kenne can bring to the table. IF you only want performance get the camaro...but if you are looking for the overall package, look at all 3 muscle cars including a used charger srt8.
i would say more like overrated. strap it on a dyno and see how many hp are to the wheels.

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Agreed on the steering numbness. Steering is very precise but it took me a minute to learn to use visual cues and gut acceleromter to gauge steering response.

I don't see where you're coming from vis a vis interior though.

Challenger interior is a bit plain but that said it's clean, functional, and aof good quality. Looks classy but not very fancy.

Camaro interior has some awful cues that ruing the execution.
Amen to that. I disliked the Camaro interior from the get go.

The Challenger interior works for me. I actually really like it. I've not owned a Dodge vehicle ever in my life so it was fresh and new to me. That may be why I like it so much. It just flat makes sense, is easy to use, and looks the part.
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i would say more like overrated. strap it on a dyno and see how many hp are to the wheels.

http://www.challengerforumz.com/showthread.php?t=30946
http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/2008-c...3-dyno-results
it is underrated,....it is the same engine as the ram 1500....dynos are all different...
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I've driven the Challenger, sat in a Camaro 2SS and I've driven the G8 (The Zeta-platform mate of the Camaro)

And to say that they are even in the same league is rediculous. I love the challengers exterior styling but the interior design blows... just blows. The steering wheel sucks, and to top it all off, there is absolutely no steering feel, they boosted the shit out of the Power Steering. In the G8 (which will have the same steering rack and similar setup as the Camaro) the steering is spot on. BMW like quality. Its an incredible thing.

For Performance: Camaro
For Interior Design: Camaro
For Exterior Looks: Challenger
For Overall Driving Satisfaction: Camaro

In the end its up to you, but unless you are willing to sacrifice Driver-Feedback and go with a dark, poorly designed interior, for the drop dead gorgeous Challenger, I'd have to go with the Camaro.
this is all in your opinion....make sure you add that to your post next time...because what you are saying is opinion not fact.
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