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Old 03-19-2009, 12:39 AM   #1
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So let me get this straight...

I'm thinking about ordering a 2SS/RS, and I was looking around and I realized the automatic's only come with L99's = (. So it's absolutely impossible for me to get an auto LS3? If so, that's quite depressing, as I really wasn't looking forward to getting a 6 speed as I'm not a very good stick driver = /.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:40 AM   #2
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yea but u can learn quick im not great either but im not gonna get an auto for this car
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and got better as i drove stick youll learn quick
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Sucks man but those are the breaks so you have two options A) deal with the L99 or B) buy a couple hundred dollar beater wiht a stick and drive the shit out of that manual till your Camaro gets here.
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Sucks man but those are the breaks so you have two options A) deal with the L99 or B) buy a couple hundred dollar beater wiht a stick and drive the shit out of that manual till your Camaro gets here.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:42 AM   #6
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thats been a known quatity for the last several months,.

Id have to research on exactly when the L99 was anounced but I believe is was sometime Q3'08. GM said upfront the Autos get the L99, it got VVT and AFM. the LS3 doesn't. you leave stick ->LS3, you choose Auto -> L99
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:43 AM   #7
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i have never had a manual car in my life and i have driven a buddy of mine's mustang for a few minutes and i even though not that great of a manual driver refuse to pay 1200 dollars for and auto with a v-8 that makes less power and when you have exhaust on it and it switches to four cylinder mode it will aggrivate you, i know because i had exhaust on my 08 sierra and it was a pain. But its your money but i just dont see the benifit in having the auto. JMO
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:50 AM   #8
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Thanks for all the input. It just doesn't make any sense you know? I mean the Corvette's come in automatic and they don't get a POS L99 thrown at them = /. Maybe I'm just being picky, but I would have really liked to have an auto = (. I could care less about the whole AFM and VVT. It doesn't make a difference to me whether I'm getting 8 MPG or 80 MPG, it's a sports car, what do you expect your average MPG to be? I'll more than likely stick with the 6 speed, just because the fact that I hate to throw away 26 HP, and the LS3, I'm just worried that I'll end up ruining the transmission on it within months of buying it = (.
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I'm thinking about ordering a 2SS/RS, and I was looking around and I realized the automatic's only come with L99's = (. So it's absolutely impossible for me to get an auto LS3? If so, that's quite depressing, as I really wasn't looking forward to getting a 6 speed as I'm not a very good stick driver = /.
I never understand these threads. What is it that you want from the LS3 than you don't get from the L99? Or is it a fear of active fuel management? The 1/4 mile times probably have as much to do with the transmissions as the engine. And as I always say, the L99 is essentially an LS3 with active fuel management.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:53 AM   #10
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true go with the LS3 and save your self a little over 20s month if you finance
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Maybe in the future models they will come out with a LS3 auto
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What exactly do you need the the LS3 for that you can't do with the L99? They're essentially the same block and all that.


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It doesn't make a difference to me whether I'm getting 8 MPG or 80 MPG, it's a sports car...
This also doesn't make sense. sports cars are manuals normally... So why are you surprised?
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Thanks for all the input. It just doesn't make any sense you know? I mean the Corvette's come in automatic and they don't get a POS L99 thrown at them = /. Maybe I'm just being picky, but I would have really liked to have an auto = (. I could care less about the whole AFM and VVT. It doesn't make a difference to me whether I'm getting 8 MPG or 80 MPG, it's a sports car, what do you expect your average MPG to be? I'll more than likely stick with the 6 speed, just because the fact that I hate to throw away 26 HP, and the LS3, I'm just worried that I'll end up ruining the transmission on it within months of buying it = (.
Woah, POS L99? You do realize that it gives SS camaros the same fuel economy as slower, lighter, less powerful V6 coupes and should be able to take nearly any mod that the LS3 can. All that you sacrifice is a bit in the 1/4 mile, which again has as much to do with the fact that its an auto as the engine itself
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Woah, POS L99? You do realize that it gives SS camaros the same fuel economy as slower, lighter, less powerful V6 coupes and should be able to take nearly any mod that the LS3 can. All that you sacrifice is a bit in the 1/4 mile, which again has as much to do with the fact that its an auto as the engine itself
Why do a lot of people hate on the L99 is it the corvette tie in of the LS3?
Or is there more to it then that?
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Old 03-19-2009, 01:05 AM   #16
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Chill out guys, I'm not ragging on the L99, I'm just bummed that they're giving the Camaro the stiff while offering the Corvette an auto LS3. Nearly any mod that the LS3 can take. I want every mod the LS3 can take. If I'm going to be paying over $30k for a car I want it to last me awhile and be the best it can be, and I don't feel that the L99 is meeting that standard. Yeah I realize it is essentially a downpowered LS3, that is only a 26 HP difference, however I'm really not feeling the whole AFM. It feels like they're sympathizing with all the gas-concerned people out there, when they should focus on optimum power. Sports cars are primarily stick shifts? Really? More like they're primarily chosen as stick shifts. You can't honestly sit there and tell yourself that they're typically only made as manual because that's ridiculous. That's completely unoptional and it completely shuts off anyone that wanted to have convenience with they're car. FYI, my Z28 is automatic, which is what all of the Z's where at the lot when we bought mine.
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Chill out guys, I'm not ragging on the L99, I'm just bummed that they're giving the Camaro the stiff while offering the Corvette an auto LS3. Nearly any mod that the LS3 can take. I want every mod the LS3 can take. If I'm going to be paying over $30k for a car I want it to last me awhile and be the best it can be, and I don't feel that the L99 is meeting that standard. Yeah I realize it is essentially a downpowered LS3, that is only a 26 HP difference, however I'm really not feeling the whole AFM. It feels like they're sympathizing with all the gas-concerned people out there, when they should focus on optimum power. Sports cars are primarily stick shifts? Really? More like they're primarily chosen as stick shifts. You can't honestly sit there and tell yourself that they're typically only made as manual because that's ridiculous. That's completely unoptional and it completely shuts off anyone that wanted to have convenience with they're car. FYI, my Z28 is automatic, which is what all of the Z's where at the lot when we bought mine.
If maximum performance is your goal, learn to drive stick. The automatic Corvettes don't perform as well as the manual ones despite having the same engine. The Camaro is no different, except that they made the automatic the most efficient choice and gave it a price premium. I said nearly any mod because I like to cover my tracks, but exhaust systems seem to be the only thing that active fuel management doesn't work well with. But if you don't want AFM, a computer tune should get rid of it (well, prevent it from activating at least) allowing you to treat it the same as an LS3.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:02 PM   #18
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dude... my 1st camaro was an automatic... I didn't know how to drive stick for sh!t.... then I started to learn in my little brothers Cavalier... at the end I jumped to the Z06... that was my 1st real stick car... I am not going back to Auto EVER again... stick is just so much more fun.

Learn to drive stick...then get the stick... you won't regret it...
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Uhh, the L99 is the LS3 with AFM. Its not like its a smaller displacement or something...
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Old 03-19-2009, 02:00 PM   #20
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A stick shift makes the car about 100% more fun to drive IMO. It makes it like a game. It might be a pain in traffic sometimes, but you're getting a V8 Camaro. When people ask me if i'm getting the manual or the automatic, my answer is always "What do you think?" as in of course i'm getting the freaking manual. I can't believe a Camaro enthusiast would get an automatic......Learn to drive stick and you will see what I mean.
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Old 03-19-2009, 02:12 PM   #21
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i didn't know how to drive stick either, but i couldnt bring my self to buy my new car automatic... so right off the dealers lot i stalled once, and drove off... i drive fine now... it's a bit of a learning curve but well worth it, manuals are just a hell of a lot more fun to drive. plus getting an automatic in a muscle car is almost disrespectfull lol...
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In the current environment GM can’t risk having any more cars in the Gas Guzzler tax category than absolutely necessary, especially a high volume one. The Corvette with its lighter weight and better aerodynamics has a comfortable margin , so they used the LS3 with the Auto.
The G8 GXP with an auto and LS3 gets the Gas Guzzler tax (I’m pretty sure, correct me if I’m wrong). With the G8 I believe GM felt pressure to keep its performance for the GXP comfortably above the std V8 powered G8 so they made the decision to use the LS3. Fortunately the GXP will be a low production offering so it won’t significantly affect the overall fleet numbers.
Perhaps Camaro might have made this year’s minimum mileage with an Auto and the LS3 but it would have been close, and would allow little headroom to make the cut in future years as the min mileage creeps standard up. And as I see it, the Camaro is a car for the future.
I have a L99 and Auto on order and would have liked the VVT and no AFM, but I’ll try and get creative with Mods to make sure it can hang with the LS3 and manual group.
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thank you jrock,
Automatics are not for sports/muscle cars, everyone should know how to drive a stick, its not that hard.
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The L99 is simply a modded LS3, this is definitely making a mountain out of a molehill, and it's a rather small molehill at that IMO.
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The G8 GXP with an auto and LS3 gets the Gas Guzzler tax (I’m pretty sure, correct me if I’m wrong).
You are 100% accurate which is the reason the Camaro is getting the L99.

Honestly by the seat of your pants you probably won't be able to tell the difference anyway. It all comes down to what YOUR preference is, personally mine is the M6 because to me it is more fun to drive.
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