Help me silence my friend's claims of Ford Mustang superiority!

[ffrcobra_65]

Open your mind up a bit and see that your friend does have a valid points. Appearance is subjective though. If he has the 2011 5.0, you better know how to drive.

[My 5th]

A co-worker's daughter just bought a new 2010 Mustang GT, and brought it by for a look-see. I was impressed by it. The interior was much nicer than I expected and the features were killer. Hers had the glass top (not a sunroof) with the interior mesh screen and a sound system with big sub-woofers in the trunk--STANDARD. The robin-egg blue color was not so hot IMHO, and the 18" wheels don't compare to our 20's. She said the dealer sold it to her for less than she paid for her 2000 Mustang--no price was actually mentioned, but apparently some Ford dealers are almost giving their remaining 2010's away so they can get an allocation of the 2011's. If I could have gotten a GT500 for within a couple of thou of what I paid for my SS I would have had a serious decision problem...

[VaderSS]

I like them both, but chose the Camaro....mostly due to the LS3 and styling. I think Chevy created a terrific blend of modern and late 60's muscle.

If you are seeking facts, here's an article I ran across:

Vehicle Comparison: The 2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. the Ford Mustang GT
Technical analysis reveals clear advantages for one.

Man had not yet walked on the moon when car magazines published the first comparisons between the Camaro and Mustang. Since the first showdowns of these models in the fall of 1966, car magazines have sold many issues with “Camaro vs. Mustang” cover lines. And more often than not, the Camaro has come out the winner. An in-depth look at these cars reveals key areas of performance and safety where the 2011 Camaro SS excels by a wide margin.

In 2011, drivers expect more than just straight-line performance from even muscle cars. Still, it’s worth noting that when Car and Driver matched the 2011 Camaro SS six-speed stick shift against the 2011 Mustang GT six-speed stick shift, the Camaro blasted through the quarter-mile in 13 seconds flat at 111 mph. The Mustang came up a bit short at 13.2 seconds at 109 mph. That equates to about two car lengths in a race.

When you look at the performance equipment each of these cars offers, you’ll find a decided advantage in the Camaro SS, which has an MSRP of $31,070 for the standard SS1 model. The 2012 Mustang GT begins at an MSRP of $29,310, but a disparity in braking technology favoring the Camaro SS quickly closes that gap. All Camaro SS models come standard with Brembo high-performance brand four-wheel disc brakes and 20-inch alloy wheels. The Mustang GT comes standard with 18-inch alloy wheels; upgrading to Brembo brakes and 19-inch wheels requires adding an option package for $1,695. However, odd but true, the package puts genuine Brembo brakes only on the Mustang GT’s front wheels.

Each of these cars arrives at its performance peak differently. Under the long Camaro hood beats the latest generation Chevy small block V8, in this case, essentially the same 6.2-liter engine used by the Corvette. The Camaro SS with a six-speed manual shift pounds out 426 hp at 5,900 rpm and 420 lb/ft of peak torque at 4,600 rpm. Those figures beat the Mustang GT’s smaller-displacement 5.0-liter V8, which offers 412 hp and 390 lb/ft of torque. Both cars offer an optional six-speed automatic transmission.

If you know your muscle car engines, you can tell from those figures that the Camaro SS is going to provide a more classic muscle car feel from its bigger-engine/higher torque personality. Edmunds Inside Line went a step further, measuring these cars’ ability to do a burnout; the Camaro SS laid down an astounding 186 feet of rubber, continuing right through second gear. The Mustang could muster just 72 feet. Though hardly a valid performance test, it does provide a fun demonstration of the superior low-end power of the Camaro.

On a more serious note, there is an area of chassis technology where the Mustang trails the Camaro in an undisputable way: All Camaro models, including the SS versions, ride on four-wheel independent suspensions while the Mustang remains among the last rear-wheel drive cars built with a solid rear axle. That’s a bit of muscle car nostalgia that drivers of other modern sports coupes would never accept. Drive a Camaro SS over a bumpy road, and that independent rear helps keep the big rear tires planted; a car with a solid axle car tends to “hop” a bit over bumps.

Style is a matter of preference, of course, but one cannot deny that the new Camaro knocked peoples’ socks off from the time it appeared as a concept car in 2006. The 2011 Camaro SS emotionally evokes the 1969 Camaro, but does not copy it.
Both of these muscle coupes offer safety that’s light-years better than their 1960s forbears. Both are equipped with traction control and electronic stability control, for example. In terms of occupant protection, the Camaro comes standard with six standard airbags including side-curtain airbags for front and rear occupants. The Mustang, however, does not offer side-curtain airbags, which seems like a glaring omission in 2011.

On the fun side of the ledger, you can equip the Camaro SS with a power tilt and slide sunroof, but not the Mustang GT. When it comes to connectivity, the Camaro SS comes standard with OnStar® including a subscription to Directions and Connections with Automatic Crash Response, Turn-by-Turn Navigation and other services for six months. The Mustang offers Ford’s SYNC® system, but you have to step up to the costlier GT Premium model to get it, and SYNC does not provide the full telematics capability that OnStar does.

Both the Camaro SS and Mustang GT have their share of partisan supporters who might not consider the other car. However, for those who analyze performance, safety and value, the 2011 Camaro SS clearly leads its esteemed competitor. Come in and test-drive this modern legend soon.

[darkrider01]

Originally Posted by TSSUNAMI

a bunch of points where TSSUNAMI basically read my mind

Seriously TSSUNAMI, we were cut from the same cloth. Excellent points, even if they weren't 100% accurate

[mothraisnotapokemon]

In the movies:
Bumblebee vs Barricade

case won

[mothraisnotapokemon]

Movies:Bumblebee vs Barricade

Car Magazines: in order to compete against stock model Dodges and Chevy the ford gotta sup up.

[radz28]

Please mind the Community Rules regarding political statements.

Thanks

[TSSUNAMI]

Originally Posted by darkrider01

Seriously TSSUNAMI, we were cut from the same cloth. Excellent points, even if they weren't 100% accurate

Thank you! Great minds think alike right?

I'm pretty new to cars, and by no means am I an expert. BUT I'm learning. These forums are a great place to pick up enough info to get me in trouble hahaha.

[Camarowguy]

Originally Posted by mothraisnotapokemon

Movies:Bumblebee vs Barricade

Car Magazines: in order to compete against stock model Dodges and Chevy the ford gotta sup up.

How? The 2011 mustang is naturally aspirated and has a 5 liter engine and every test ive seen the mustang beats it in the 1/4. It is what it is.

[08-G35s/6MT]

I'm seeing more and more 5G Camaros now, I see more 5G Camaro's than I do 2010+ Mustangs(or it could just be that Mustangs are so bland, that I don't notice them), there were 4 Camaro's at the interesection of SW 134th and Penn. They were all RS's. 9/10 Camaro's I see are RS(which look great), though they look rather innocuous(headlights) without the RS package and especially worse with those cheap looking steelies(or whatever they are, they look like steel wheels to me). Anyways.... just saying that 5G Camaro's are becoming very common, I see one on almost every trip I make.

[macwest]

As in the past so is today.. If you do not want a car everyone has buy a dodge. Great cars but sales are lower so you do not see them all the time.

Camaros are showing up more but i see alot of v6 compared to SS models. Mustang seems to be the same way.

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by My 5th

A co-worker's daughter just bought a new 2010 Mustang GT, and brought it by for a look-see. I was impressed by it. The interior was much nicer than I expected and the features were killer. Hers had the glass top (not a sunroof) with the interior mesh screen and a sound system with big sub-woofers in the trunk--STANDARD. The robin-egg blue color was not so hot IMHO, and the 18" wheels don't compare to our 20's. She said the dealer sold it to her for less than she paid for her 2000 Mustang--no price was actually mentioned, but apparently some Ford dealers are almost giving their remaining 2010's away so they can get an allocation of the 2011's. If I could have gotten a GT500 for within a couple of thou of what I paid for my SS I would have had a serious decision problem...

Did i miss something in here , are you talking about your co-worker daughter herself , or about the car ????:con fused0068:

[08-G35s/6MT]

I think people are really missing out on the danger of the Camaro.... Since it's roofline is so low, that means in the instance of a rollover your spine becomes the crumple zone resulting in YOU being in a wheelchair the rest of your life, this fatal flaw is really being overlooked.

Look at some of the Camaro's on here, there's over 140 wrecked. The rollovers looks really bad ! Search 2010-present Camaro.
http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/showForm/

Look at page 11. There's a SS that says ZL454 on it, and there's a Camaro with a devastating frontal collision whose airbags didn't deploy(the speedometer still says 80 mph!!).

[8cd03gro]

Car guys respect a nice, well performing car, regardless of their opinions or taste. Newbs and fanboys talk smack. Remember that. You don't see the smack-talking yuppies with stock cars they paid $5k over MSRP for doing well at the track, or even there for that matter. You see them in parking lots talking about how their special dealer installed exhaust makes an extra 200hp and how ______ manufacturer doesn't have a chance against their car.

If all you like is chevy or ford, you're not a car guy, you're a chevy or ford fanboy. There are plenty of amazing vehicles from almost every manufacturer and if you are so blind as to believe that only one can make a good car, you're a fanboy through and through.

[kiteman]

mustang interiors are pretty freakin' nice and have more visibility, but outside is where they just don't look good to me. it's obviously a personal preference, but i don't know anyone who thinks they look good either. so for interior, mustang wins; exterior, definitely the camaro. other than that, they are both about the same quickness and handle well. pretty similar cars really. i don't see what's the big deal. i certainly wouldn't hesitate to buy the mustang if i thought it had better exterior looks, and up until 1 year ago i've been driving camaros for the last 10 years. friends like yours are just stubborn and nothing is going to change their mind.

[Synyster]

Originally Posted by mclark10

Why do Ford fanboys have such a need to justify their vehicles?
It's not just Mustangs, it's trucks and everything else.
Just sounds to me like a severe inferiority complex. Be happy you have what you have and let everyone else do the same.

The trucks are superior as trucks.

[ct06gto]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I think people are really missing out on the danger of the Camaro.... Since it's roofline is so low, that means in the instance of a rollover your spine becomes the crumple zone resulting in YOU being in a wheelchair the rest of your life, this fatal flaw is really being overlooked.

Look at some of the Camaro's on here, there's over 140 wrecked. The rollovers looks really bad ! Search 2010-present Camaro.
http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/showForm/

Look at page 11. There's a SS that says ZL454 on it, and there's a Camaro with a devastating frontal collision whose airbags didn't deploy(the speedometer still says 80 mph!!).

I have to agree with you. I see a ton of gen 5 camaros everday and have olny seen 2- 2011 5.0 litre mustangs since they came out.

[rocketman 12]

Originally Posted by michschi

I could look at pics of your car ALL DAY! Wanna trade? Not the Camaro, but I'll give you my wifes '04 Grand Prix, my '98 S-10 and '93 Lumina, I'll also throw in my 2000 Polaris Indy 500 snowmobile.....

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I'm seeing more and more 5G Camaros now, I see more 5G Camaro's than I do 2010+ Mustangs(or it could just be that Mustangs are so bland, that I don't notice them), there were 4 Camaro's at the interesection of SW 134th and Penn. They were all RS's. 9/10 Camaro's I see are RS(which look great), though they look rather innocuous(headlights) without the RS package and especially worse with those cheap looking steelies(or whatever they are, they look like steel wheels to me). Anyways.... just saying that 5G Camaro's are becoming very common, I see one on almost every trip I make.

well, except for last month, the new camaro has been outselling the 2010 mustangs for over a year. lol That's probably why.

[2012 IngotSilver 5.0]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

well, except for last month, the new camaro has been outselling the 2010 mustangs for over a year. lol That's probably why.

Please stop trolling this forum.

You're giving all the decent Camaro owners a bad name ...

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by '11BlackV6Stang

Please stop trolling this forum.

You're giving all the decent Camaro owners a bad name ...

Dude, what are you talking about? what is your problem? There were comments about why they see more 2010+ camaros then they see 2010+ mustangs. Am i wrong in that the overall sales of camaros over the mustangs over the last few years has been greater then the mustangs? I'm sorry if this is news to you, but I can go get the proof if you need it. I basically told them that that's probably the reason they see more camaros...you are a weird guy...

[Amenti]

Originally Posted by '11BlackV6Stang

Please stop trolling this forum.

You're giving all the decent Camaro owners a bad name ...

Whoa there, pardner. You might want to check your bruised ego at the door and simmer down.

He was just stating a well-publicized fact in response to comments that some people are seeing more 2010+ Camaros around than 2010+ Mustangs.

Resorting to calling a long-time and constant contributor to the Camaro V6 forums a troll when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about just makes you look thin-skinned and immature. Perhaps you should take your own advice, except replace "Camaro" with "Mustang," obviously.

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by TotallyDavis

When a friend heard I was thinking of getting the new Camaro, he immediately launched into a tirade about Ford being one of the only companies that didn't need the bailout, and about the Mustang having clearly better specs, design, features, and just generally being a faster & better built car.

I don't think I know as much as you all do about defending the Camaro properly, so I thought I'd ask advice.

What's the real story?

Here's the real story: Decide what options you want and go drive each car several times until you figure out which car is right for you. Get pre-approved for a loan that will cover the cost of any choices you are contemplating. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger all have good/bad points - none are "perfect." The car should "speak" to you, when you find it. Happy hunting.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I think people are really missing out on the danger of the Camaro.... Since it's roofline is so low, that means in the instance of a rollover your spine becomes the crumple zone resulting in YOU being in a wheelchair the rest of your life, this fatal flaw is really being overlooked.

Look at some of the Camaro's on here, there's over 140 wrecked. The rollovers looks really bad ! Search 2010-present Camaro.
http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/showForm/

Look at page 11. There's a SS that says ZL454 on it, and there's a Camaro with a devastating frontal collision whose airbags didn't deploy(the speedometer still says 80 mph!!).

[chain777]

Originally Posted by VaderSS

I like them both, but chose the Camaro....mostly due to the LS3 and styling. I think Chevy created a terrific blend of modern and late 60's muscle.

If you are seeking facts, here's an article I ran across:

Vehicle Comparison: The 2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. the Ford Mustang GT
Technical analysis reveals clear advantages for one.

Man had not yet walked on the moon when car magazines published the first comparisons between the Camaro and Mustang. Since the first showdowns of these models in the fall of 1966, car magazines have sold many issues with “Camaro vs. Mustang” cover lines. And more often than not, the Camaro has come out the winner. An in-depth look at these cars reveals key areas of performance and safety where the 2011 Camaro SS excels by a wide margin.

In 2011, drivers expect more than just straight-line performance from even muscle cars. Still, it’s worth noting that when Car and Driver matched the 2011 Camaro SS six-speed stick shift against the 2011 Mustang GT six-speed stick shift, the Camaro blasted through the quarter-mile in 13 seconds flat at 111 mph. The Mustang came up a bit short at 13.2 seconds at 109 mph. That equates to about two car lengths in a race.

When you look at the performance equipment each of these cars offers, you’ll find a decided advantage in the Camaro SS, which has an MSRP of $31,070 for the standard SS1 model. The 2012 Mustang GT begins at an MSRP of $29,310, but a disparity in braking technology favoring the Camaro SS quickly closes that gap. All Camaro SS models come standard with Brembo high-performance brand four-wheel disc brakes and 20-inch alloy wheels. The Mustang GT comes standard with 18-inch alloy wheels; upgrading to Brembo brakes and 19-inch wheels requires adding an option package for $1,695. However, odd but true, the package puts genuine Brembo brakes only on the Mustang GT’s front wheels.

Each of these cars arrives at its performance peak differently. Under the long Camaro hood beats the latest generation Chevy small block V8, in this case, essentially the same 6.2-liter engine used by the Corvette. The Camaro SS with a six-speed manual shift pounds out 426 hp at 5,900 rpm and 420 lb/ft of peak torque at 4,600 rpm. Those figures beat the Mustang GT’s smaller-displacement 5.0-liter V8, which offers 412 hp and 390 lb/ft of torque. Both cars offer an optional six-speed automatic transmission.

If you know your muscle car engines, you can tell from those figures that the Camaro SS is going to provide a more classic muscle car feel from its bigger-engine/higher torque personality. Edmunds Inside Line went a step further, measuring these cars’ ability to do a burnout; the Camaro SS laid down an astounding 186 feet of rubber, continuing right through second gear. The Mustang could muster just 72 feet. Though hardly a valid performance test, it does provide a fun demonstration of the superior low-end power of the Camaro.

On a more serious note, there is an area of chassis technology where the Mustang trails the Camaro in an undisputable way: All Camaro models, including the SS versions, ride on four-wheel independent suspensions while the Mustang remains among the last rear-wheel drive cars built with a solid rear axle. That’s a bit of muscle car nostalgia that drivers of other modern sports coupes would never accept. Drive a Camaro SS over a bumpy road, and that independent rear helps keep the big rear tires planted; a car with a solid axle car tends to “hop” a bit over bumps.

Style is a matter of preference, of course, but one cannot deny that the new Camaro knocked peoples’ socks off from the time it appeared as a concept car in 2006. The 2011 Camaro SS emotionally evokes the 1969 Camaro, but does not copy it.
Both of these muscle coupes offer safety that’s light-years better than their 1960s forbears. Both are equipped with traction control and electronic stability control, for example. In terms of occupant protection, the Camaro comes standard with six standard airbags including side-curtain airbags for front and rear occupants. The Mustang, however, does not offer side-curtain airbags, which seems like a glaring omission in 2011.

On the fun side of the ledger, you can equip the Camaro SS with a power tilt and slide sunroof, but not the Mustang GT. When it comes to connectivity, the Camaro SS comes standard with OnStar® including a subscription to Directions and Connections with Automatic Crash Response, Turn-by-Turn Navigation and other services for six months. The Mustang offers Ford’s SYNC® system, but you have to step up to the costlier GT Premium model to get it, and SYNC does not provide the full telematics capability that OnStar does.

Both the Camaro SS and Mustang GT have their share of partisan supporters who might not consider the other car. However, for those who analyze performance, safety and value, the 2011 Camaro SS clearly leads its esteemed competitor. Come in and test-drive this modern legend soon.

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