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gjarzabek009 · 07-18-2011, 12:34 PM

I raced a newer mazda rx8 on a closed course the other day and I believe it had full bolt-ons/drag tires and even possibly a tune. He got the jump on me due to wheelspin but I quickly caught up and kept on pulling on him. I was surprised how quick it was for a car with so little torque... What makes these cars decently quick with 170 tourqe??

UT-Engineer · 07-18-2011, 12:45 PM

probably the weight difference.... 700lbs+ difference is quite a bit

GretchenGotGrowl · 07-18-2011, 12:51 PM

Yeah, I'd say weight, the DRs and the gear ratio (if an auto). Be glad is wasn't one of the older RX7s, those were pretty quick (for their time).

gjarzabek009 · 07-18-2011, 01:08 PM

I had a bad wheelspin and fishtail at launch but I think I would have got him right away with a decent launch.

hypurone · 07-18-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yeah, I'd say weight, the DRs and the gear ratio (if an auto). Be glad is wasn't one of the older RX7s, those were pretty quick (for their time).

The 3rd gens which were twin turbo (255hp stock) and weighed 2800-2900lbs depending on model, were awesome. Add a "piggyback computer" and presto, 360hp without any other mods! Ask me how I know....

sasquash1984 · 07-18-2011, 01:34 PM

My wife had a 04 rx8 Manuel then just traded in for a 09 Manuel there must faster than the autos , they pull 170 hp where the Manuel gets 232 hp there 3200-3300 lbs, new car driver claims the 09 r3 0-60 is 6.3 seconds where her 04 was 5.9 0-60

lil_chef · 07-18-2011, 02:01 PM

Probably because torque only helps off the line. after the race is actually started and that half a second where torque matters has passed HP is what matters. also torque in this case hurt you considering you were spinning off the line. if you had hooked right up like they did it would have been a demolition on your part.

GretchenGotGrowl · 07-18-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hypurone

The 3rd gens which were twin turbo (255hp stock) and weighed 2800-2900lbs depending on model, were awesome. Add a "piggyback computer" and presto, 360hp without any other mods! Ask me how I know....

Yeah, a friend of mine showed me a write up of one with the twin setup that had 500 HP. Tell me that thing wouldn't just fly!

hypurone · 07-18-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yeah, a friend of mine showed me a write up of one with the twin setup that had 500 HP. Tell me that thing wouldn't just fly!

It really gets good when someone with too much time and money decides to drop a 20B in one! OMFG! You can have that 500HP on only 5psi of boost! Shit gets really exciting when the boost starts climbing...

8cd03gro · 07-18-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yeah, a friend of mine showed me a write up of one with the twin setup that had 500 HP. Tell me that thing wouldn't just fly!

The worst and best thing about the rotaries is rebuilding and replacing apex seals all the time. It's the worst because you'll end up doing it every 45k miles, but it's the best because it will be pretty much the same rebuild interval at 600hp as it will at 250hp

hypurone · 07-18-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The worst and best thing about the rotaries is rebuilding and replacing apex seals all the time. It's the worst because you'll end up doing it every 45k miles, but it's the best because it will be pretty much the same rebuild interval at 600hp as it will at 250hp

Not even close! You just need to use the 3mm 1-piece ceramics from Ianetti. These were what Mazda ran in the Lemans winning 787B! You would have to have some seriously bad tuning to break these things...

I put 'em in my 1st gen when I street-bridge ported it. Beat on 'em for 83000 until I sold the car with perfect compression.

SGOS252382 · 07-19-2011, 02:05 PM

First off -if you're into drag, you need to get rid of those 21" wheels.
Maybe you're not running them when you race?

You're giving up at least .2 (2 car lengths in a 1/4 mile) running those wheels.

You should get some light weight 18" wheels. You would be amazed by how much faster your car would be. (probably .4 faster (4+ car lengths) in a 1/4 mile with light weight 18" wheels).

bmorecam · 07-19-2011, 04:48 PM

rx-8's are all looks and no go. They kinda remind me of our V6 tho when it come to tuning. Very limited or at least for the newer models. The manual rev up to 10k tho and I love that sound of the rotary, its something you dont really hear everyday.

gjarzabek009 · 07-19-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SGOS252382

First off -if you're into drag, you need to get rid of those 21" wheels.
Maybe you're not running them when you race?

You're giving up at least .2 (2 car lengths in a 1/4 mile) running those wheels.

You should get some light weight 18" wheels. You would be amazed by how much faster your car would be. (probably .4 faster (4+ car lengths) in a 1/4 mile with light weight 18" wheels).

I'm not that into drag racing that I would give up my 21s for it hehe. I would love my car to be faster though

Turbo/sc (if they make one) is an option next year for me.

DarkneSS · 07-19-2011, 09:53 PM

A stock V6 should take a stock one. There like high 14 second cars.

08-G35s/6MT · 07-20-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

A stock V6 should take a stock one. There like high 14 second cars.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda--RX-8-Drag-Racing.html

snizzle · 07-20-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bmorecam

rx-8's are all looks and no go. They kinda remind me of our V6 tho when it come to tuning. Very limited or at least for the newer models. The manual rev up to 10k tho and I love that sound of the rotary, its something you dont really hear everyday.

Maybe if you are obsessed with straightline speed and stoplight drags. She'll move around a track if you keep the engine in its' sweet spot.

Limited tuning as Mazda basically tapped out the engine from the start. Guys were putting in aftermarket CAI/catback and LOSING power.

9K redline MT, 7500 AT btw.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 07-20-2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lil_chef

Probably because torque only helps off the line. after the race is actually started and that half a second where torque matters has passed HP is what matters.

Torque gets you going, HP keeps you going.

08-G35s/6MT · 07-21-2011, 01:40 AM

MW got faster times for the RX-7 than the Supra and Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. Though the Nissan 300ZX was faster than all of them.

08-G35s/6MT · 07-21-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Torque gets you going, HP keeps you going.

Haha my friend in a 04 new edge Mustang 5-speed always this up if I even mention anything about my car being faster.

Cyber Gray · 07-21-2011, 01:43 AM

wheel hops and spin sucks!

Im considering full rear suspension upgrade with Pfadt toe rods, trailing arms, and endlinks.

I hope that this will put it on track

Sidd218 · 07-21-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by UT-Engineer

probably the weight difference.... 700lbs+ difference is quite a bit

AdamChoudhry · 07-30-2011, 08:27 PM

I personally own both a 2004 Rx8 and 2010 Camaro v6 and the V6 is definitely faster in a straight line but the mazda's handling is ridiculous

mikeSS · 08-01-2011, 12:07 AM

the rx8 was made to handle, i really miss mine. i had a 2009 rx8 r3, but traded it up for a camaro. i wanted something with more power, but i didn't realize how rare and how well the handling was very day in that thing. but in the end of the day i power is what i wanted and power is what i got.

Victoryred69 · 08-01-2011, 09:32 PM

Funny i read this, i went to the track today and my cousin has a 04 Mazda RX8 GT manual. The things pretty quick for a little go kart, if it had the mazdaspeed 3 motor in it with the turbo it would fly! He managed a 15.8 today at 89mph ... its stock besides the K&N intake. Nice sounding car at 9500RPM though , just lacking in torque.

I raced him and got him off the dig and then just kept pulling pretty much.

07-18-2011, 12:34 PM	#1
gjarzabek009 Drives: 1LT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 958	v6 camaro vs mazda rx8 I raced a newer mazda rx8 on a closed course the other day and I believe it had full bolt-ons/drag tires and even possibly a tune. He got the jump on me due to wheelspin but I quickly caught up and kept on pulling on him. I was surprised how quick it was for a car with so little torque... What makes these cars decently quick with 170 tourqe?? __________________ -21" GM wheels -3.73 gears -Injen PowerFlow CAI -OBX LT headers -Doug Thorley Catback exhaust -Magnaflow High Flow cats -Trifecta Tune -VMAX Ported TB -Maces 25mm Insulator -Ported Intake manifolds (soon)

07-18-2011, 12:45 PM	#2
UT-Engineer Just Cruisin' Drives: 2010 Synergy Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,225 View My Garage	probably the weight difference.... 700lbs+ difference is quite a bit __________________ 2010 Synergy Green Camaro 25% Tint - CGM Painted GM GFX - 20" Niche M102 Wheels

07-18-2011, 12:51 PM	#3
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: `12 LFX/`11 EB F-150/`13 Sonic RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 3,972 View My Garage	Yeah, I'd say weight, the DRs and the gear ratio (if an auto). Be glad is wasn't one of the older RX7s, those were pretty quick (for their time). __________________ EFR Twin Turbo LFX-GPI Tune-ZL1 fuel pump-10:1 CR forged pistons-3.45 gear-Meth Injection-BMR Trailing Arms, Bushings & Sway Bars-Drag Radials-CircleD 4000 Stall-GPI Fuel Enrichment System 586 RWHP & 606 RWTQ @20 psi on 93 Octane (unlocked converter) 1/8 mile -- 7.158 @ 102.10 (20psi) Build Thread

07-18-2011, 01:08 PM	#4
gjarzabek009 Drives: 1LT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 958	I had a bad wheelspin and fishtail at launch but I think I would have got him right away with a decent launch. __________________ -21" GM wheels -3.73 gears -Injen PowerFlow CAI -OBX LT headers -Doug Thorley Catback exhaust -Magnaflow High Flow cats -Trifecta Tune -VMAX Ported TB -Maces 25mm Insulator -Ported Intake manifolds (soon)

07-18-2011, 01:34 PM	#6
sasquash1984 Boom goes the dynamite Drives: The yeti Join Date: May 2009 Location: Saginaw/ Ft Worth TX Posts: 2,807 View My Garage	My wife had a 04 rx8 Manuel then just traded in for a 09 Manuel there must faster than the autos , they pull 170 hp where the Manuel gets 232 hp there 3200-3300 lbs, new car driver claims the 09 r3 0-60 is 6.3 seconds where her 04 was 5.9 0-60 __________________

07-18-2011, 02:01 PM	#7
lil_chef Banned Drives: 2010 Mustang GT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 1,823	Probably because torque only helps off the line. after the race is actually started and that half a second where torque matters has passed HP is what matters. also torque in this case hurt you considering you were spinning off the line. if you had hooked right up like they did it would have been a demolition on your part.

07-19-2011, 02:05 PM	#12
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,004	First off -if you're into drag, you need to get rid of those 21" wheels. Maybe you're not running them when you race? You're giving up at least .2 (2 car lengths in a 1/4 mile) running those wheels. You should get some light weight 18" wheels. You would be amazed by how much faster your car would be. (probably .4 faster (4+ car lengths) in a 1/4 mile with light weight 18" wheels). __________________

07-19-2011, 04:48 PM	#13
bmorecam Account Suspended Drives: jealous vendors mad!! HAHA!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CYBERGMONSTER@GMAIL.COM Posts: 3,705 View My Garage	rx-8's are all looks and no go. They kinda remind me of our V6 tho when it come to tuning. Very limited or at least for the newer models. The manual rev up to 10k tho and I love that sound of the rotary, its something you dont really hear everyday.

07-19-2011, 09:53 PM	#15
DarkneSS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS 6MT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Yonkers, New York Posts: 3,237	A stock V6 should take a stock one. There like high 14 second cars. __________________

07-21-2011, 01:43 AM	#21
Cyber Gray Wind Rider Drives: CGM A6 1LT 2010; JK Wrangler 2011 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Muscat Posts: 1,557 View My Garage	wheel hops and spin sucks! Im considering full rear suspension upgrade with Pfadt toe rods, trailing arms, and endlinks. I hope that this will put it on track __________________

07-30-2011, 08:27 PM	#23
AdamChoudhry Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 52 View My Garage	I personally own both a 2004 Rx8 and 2010 Camaro v6 and the V6 is definitely faster in a straight line but the mazda's handling is ridiculous

08-01-2011, 12:07 AM	#24
mikeSS Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,314	the rx8 was made to handle, i really miss mine. i had a 2009 rx8 r3, but traded it up for a camaro. i wanted something with more power, but i didn't realize how rare and how well the handling was very day in that thing. but in the end of the day i power is what i wanted and power is what i got.

08-01-2011, 09:32 PM	#25
Victoryred69 Drives: RS Victory Red/BS V6 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 392	Funny i read this, i went to the track today and my cousin has a 04 Mazda RX8 GT manual. The things pretty quick for a little go kart, if it had the mazdaspeed 3 motor in it with the turbo it would fly! He managed a 15.8 today at 89mph ... its stock besides the K&N intake. Nice sounding car at 9500RPM though , just lacking in torque. I raced him and got him off the dig and then just kept pulling pretty much. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2LT RS M6 VR/BS Flowmaster AMT Axle Back Vararam Ram Air Intake P13 Plazma Bulbs DT Shorty Headers Heritage Grill Blacked-Out Taillights and Side Markers

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