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Old 09-15-2007, 05:39 AM   #26
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well ... "not official GM words" ... I personally hardly believe the guy said something that wasn't into GM official communication plan ...
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:53 AM   #27
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2 different V6's ? I don't remember the last time we could choose from kinda slow....to real slow,the early 3rd gens with 4 cyl,optional V6 etc..that doesn't sound right,1 Base V6 and then 2 kinds of V8 was the general plan..more motor options means bigger prices..my 2 cents
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Ok I guess having 2 v8s would not be a financially smart way to go, but at least offer a supercharged version... something to compete with the gt500. The way I think of it the v8s shouldn't be as bad with gas because based on what I've read it has the engine management system which allows you to shutdown 4 pistons. I'm not entirely sure if you can shut it down with a press of a button but hey thats awesome if that is ever possible. I'm just really looking for something with more horses.
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You can't "choose" when to shut down four of the eight cyllinders, unfortunately.

I have absolutely NO reservations that there will be a GT500 fighter, but I think it'll be a limited production, special edition version...
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:07 PM   #30
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Either way I don't have any problem with only one V8, I kind of like the idea actually. If there is a HIPO V6 putting out 300-320hp then that is just fine with me. We already know GM makes such an engine.
I agree. 1 V8 is fine. It's not like it's never been done, the 4th gens originally had just the base V6 and the V8 Z28 when they debuted.

The idea of 2 V6's is also fine. Years ago it wouldn't have sounded quite right, but with the popularity of powerful little 4cylinder cars, I think a 300ish hp V6 as an option is a good idea to appeal to the younger crowd. (No, I'm not saying all 'younglings' have no money, but most do not. I certainly know I had no great amount of money until I was in my upper 20's.)

So upon release what are we expecting? 250-V6, 300-V6 and a 400-V8? (All those #'s are just for an approximation.)

I also wonder why so many are hellbent there MUST be a 2nd V8 to compete with the Mustang GT500. Or at least, they talk as if this uber-Camaro would be a 'mainstream' model. GT500 is a limited production car, not mainstream. So the lack of a 2nd V8 in the Camaro, imo, is just for the cars for the masses. I'm sure there will be a limited production car to compete with the GT500, but I personally don't consider 'limited production' a part of a vehicle's 'regular' lineup.

So I believe the 2 V6's and 1 V8 will be for the everyday Camaro models that we will see most. They're probably keeping details about any GT500 competitor under tight wraps, or waiting to see how the mainstream Camaro's sell.

And I've said it before, and will again. Z28 should NOT be a limited production name. It should be mainstream. Let Z28 be the top regular production model and assign something entirely different to the limited model.
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The idea of 2 V6's is also fine. Years ago it wouldn't have sounded quite right, but with the popularity of powerful little 4cylinder cars, I think a 300ish hp V6 as an option is a good idea to appeal to the younger crowd. (No, I'm not saying all 'younglings' have no money, but most do not. I certainly know I had no great amount of money until I was in my upper 20's.) Exactly what GM is thinking, I'd gamble.

So upon release what are we expecting? 250-V6, 300-V6 and a 400-V8? (All those #'s are just for an approximation.)That's what I expect, no less(except for the base V6 - maybe closer to 230hp). But then who am I?

I also wonder why so many are hellbent there MUST be a 2nd V8 to compete with the Mustang GT500. Because there just has to be. It'd be an unanswered challenge. Or at least, they talk as if this uber-Camaro would be a 'mainstream' model. I don't understand that either. WTF? GT500 is a limited production car, not mainstream. So the lack of a 2nd V8 in the Camaro, imo, is just for the cars for the masses. I'm sure there will be a limited production car to compete with the GT500, but I personally don't consider 'limited production' a part of a vehicle's 'regular' lineup.Nicely said

So I believe the 2 V6's and 1 V8 will be for the everyday Camaro models that we will see most. They're probably keeping details about any GT500 competitor under tight wraps, or waiting to see how the mainstream Camaro's sell. Scott has said that right now, all they're working on is the normal Camaros, special editions will come later.

And I've said it before, and will again. Z28 should NOT be a limited production name. It should be mainstream. Let Z28 be the top regular production model and assign something entirely different to the limited model.Like SS? j/k But beautiful paragraph! (<== those are happy tears, btw...)
I apologise for my perhaps un-wanted commentary, but everything in the above quote is completely valid regarding the 5th gen Camaro's essence, and I had to add my own 0.02.

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Like SS? j/k But beautiful paragraph! (<== those are happy tears, btw...)


I apologise for my perhaps un-wanted commentary, but everything in the above quote is completely valid regarding the 5th gen Camaro's essence, and I had to add my own 0.02.

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I'm find with 'SS' being the limited production Camaro, but Z28 should be the 'Top Dawg' Mainstream production Camaro.

Though I WOULD prefer to see ZL1 or something more unique than the all-to-common 'SS' on the limited model. Even something entirely new would be nice. Pay homage to the poor departed Firebird by calling it the Camaro Phoenix or something. LOL

I used to (years ago) have a great idea (well, I thought it was) for the Camaro's 'mascot' to be a dragon. I mean, the Mustang had it's horsie, the Firebird had it's Phoenix (I HATE hearing 'Screaming Chicken'). Since Firebird had a mythological creature, I felt the dragon was the only fitting 'being' worth of the name Camaro.

I even had this commercial thought up. heh It showed a horse (Mustang) running across a vast field. Every few seconds something metallic would flash across the screen. On the final 'flash' of metallic scales (you can now tell it's scales in this flash) the screen goes blank and you hear the horse screaming (nothing too horrible, it has to be on tv ya know lol) and some slight sounds of what could be a scuffle. (Hey dragons get hungry and eat mustangs occasionally. hehe)

One more 'flash' and the dragon is 'frozen' in place with the word CAMARO emblazoned in front of it (sideview of the dragon in flight). A highly sylized dragon image integrated with the word Camaro was the symbol I envisioned.

Or some such thing. It was just me with a crazy idea way back when. LOL

Oh, and I'm glad at least SOMEONE agrees with me.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:10 PM   #34
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I'll make my own special edition. Buy one cheap(er) and used, then get to work stiffening up the chassis. Better braking system, all new suspension, massage the engine. Start trimming for weight etc...
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I used to (years ago) have a great idea (well, I thought it was) for the Camaro's 'mascot' to be a dragon. I mean, the Mustang had it's horsie, the Firebird had it's Phoenix (I HATE hearing 'Screaming Chicken'). Since Firebird had a mythological creature, I felt the dragon was the only fitting 'being' worth of the name Camaro.

I even had this commercial thought up. heh It showed a horse (Mustang) running across a vast field. Every few seconds something metallic would flash across the screen. On the final 'flash' of metallic scales (you can now tell it's scales in this flash) the screen goes blank and you hear the horse screaming (nothing too horrible, it has to be on tv ya know lol) and some slight sounds of what could be a scuffle. (Hey dragons get hungry and eat mustangs occasionally. hehe)

One more 'flash' and the dragon is 'frozen' in place with the word CAMARO emblazoned in front of it (sideview of the dragon in flight). A highly sylized dragon image integrated with the word Camaro was the symbol I envisioned.

Or some such thing. It was just me with a crazy idea way back when. LOL

Oh, and I'm glad at least SOMEONE agrees with me.
I'll always agree with someone who thinks like I do... just kidding.

And, I can't quite put my finger on it...but I like that Dragon idea...not sure why I like it so much
Have you ever seen that new Q-motor oil commercial, where the oil-horses are galloping around the Ferrari? I could see some dragons flying around the Camaro in the same way...or, better, continue with your Idea, and instead of staying as an animal - the Dragon fluidly turns into the Car, then your "CAMARO"

That would be freakin Wicked!

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I'll make my own special edition. Buy one cheap(er) and used, then get to work stiffening up the chassis. Better braking system, all new suspension, massage the engine. Start trimming for weight etc...
You won't be the only one with that idea...I love seeing people's truly unique cars. It shows how much they really care about their vehicles.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:27 AM   #36
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Mine may end up being something of a sleeper. I'm not really a fan of wild paint schemes, big chrome wheels, giant wings etc... Fuction over form yields it's own "look" and coolness, IMHO
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Old 09-16-2007, 01:13 AM   #37
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Those are the onesI respect the most. Anything that hints like the owner had rice that night for dinner...I look the other way. I'm petty like that
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Old 09-16-2007, 02:21 PM   #38
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I'll always agree with someone who thinks like I do... just kidding.

And, I can't quite put my finger on it...but I like that Dragon idea...not sure why I like it so much
Have you ever seen that new Q-motor oil commercial, where the oil-horses are galloping around the Ferrari? I could see some dragons flying around the Camaro in the same way...or, better, continue with your Idea, and instead of staying as an animal - the Dragon fluidly turns into the Car, then your "CAMARO"

That would be freakin Wicked!

I actually like the idea of the dragon morphing into a new Camaro at the end even better. Or have it land, turn toward the camera and exhale a huge flameball that, when clear, reveals only a Camaro sitting where the dragon was seconds before.
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...Or have it land, turn toward the camera and exhale a huge flameball that, when clear, reveals only a Camaro sitting where the dragon was seconds before.
^ That's It. GM, are you listening? Free commercial ideas!

Now, to settle on that hood design(paint)...
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^ That's It. GM, are you listening? Free commercial ideas!

Now, to settle on that hood design(paint)...
LOL The text or Voiceover can say 'Camaro... Eating up the competition.' (ie- the horse<Mustang> it just devoured)
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What should the challenger be...a "gallant knight"? that get's toasted?
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I think it should build on the phrase they already coined. It should be a mustang and a challenger in a race at the strip, The tree hits green and they take off.

As they speed towards the finish line, a camaro splits them right down the middle and continues passed the turn off point (don't know what it's called at a track).

"Why drive challengers when you could drive champions?"

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D@mn, you guys type a lot when I'm gone...

I'll read back through it later, but someone mentioned the Z28 or SS being top dog....I know this isn't the right thread, but Dragon knows what I'm talking about when I say we've been watching what Scott's been saying and it's been strongly hinted that Z28 might be the big daddy this go around.
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I'll read back through it later, but someone mentioned the Z28 or SS being top dog....I know this isn't the right thread, but Dragon knows what I'm talking about when I say we've been watching what Scott's been saying and it's been strongly hinted that Z28 might be the big daddy this go around.
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I've linked to this before, but I'll do it one last time:
http://www.mallettcars.com/index.html

Anyway you look at it, I'm getting a powerful v8 Camaro... ASAP.

And besides, buying a v6 and replacing it with an LS3 on my own would mean much better insurance rates...
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Anyway you look at it, I'm getting a powerful v8 Camaro... ASAP.

And besides, buying a v6 and replacing it with an LS3 on my own would mean much better insurance rates...
No way you'd save a penny. I wanted to do the same. Changing over from a V6 to V8 means a new radiator, alternator, electrical, headers, etc, etc, etc...even if you decided against an LS3 and went for the LS1, you'd still pay more. Sorry...not trying to be a prick. But, I've been there, done that, and if all you want is to save $$$ on insurance, this isn't the answer....it's calling around. Besides, if you ever did get the change made, you'd want to make sure that puppy is INSURED!!! You don't tell the ins co that you've made the switch and guess what? You call for a claim and they deny cause you never updated w/ your mods.
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No way you'd save a penny. I wanted to do the same. Changing over from a V6 to V8 means a new radiator, alternator, electrical, headers, etc, etc, etc...even if you decided against an LS3 and went for the LS1, you'd still pay more. Sorry...not trying to be a prick. But, I've been there, done that, and if all you want is to save $$$ on insurance, this isn't the answer....it's calling around. Besides, if you ever did get the change made, you'd want to make sure that puppy is INSURED!!! You don't tell the ins co that you've made the switch and guess what? You call for a claim and they deny cause you never updated w/ your mods.
Agree 100%. People would ask a lot about swapping an I6 into their 4 cylinder Wrangler all the time. Not worth it. Different transmission and spline count, plus all the other stuff underhood that Tag already mentioned. The insurance money would cost less than an engine swap anyway
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Yeah... I know... but it would also mean having a more rare car, something special. I totally agree the cost of the vehicle would be more, much more, than if the factory offered what I want. But that is just the thing. I know what I want, and cannot justify spending 25k-30k on a car that isn't going to make me happy... I don't mind the extra cost associated with having a car that I feel is just right. Look at people that bag trucks: sure, they could swap springs, shocks, whatever, but they spend the extra money, change a whole bunch of parts, and are genuinely happy with the end result. Basically any car mod will have its benefits and costs and its just how people weigh those and make a decision they will enjoy.

The insurance part of what I said didn't make sense... what can I say, drunkin' posting...
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Yeah... I know... but it would also mean having a more rare car, something special. I totally agree the cost of the vehicle would be more, much more, than if the factory offered what I want. But that is just the thing. I know what I want, and cannot justify spending 25k-30k on a car that isn't going to make me happy... I don't mind the extra cost associated with having a car that I feel is just right. Look at people that bag trucks: sure, they could swap springs, shocks, whatever, but they spend the extra money, change a whole bunch of parts, and are genuinely happy with the end result. Basically any car mod will have its benefits and costs and its just how people weigh those and make a decision they will enjoy.

The insurance part of what I said didn't make sense... what can I say, drunkin' posting...
It will certainly be more expensive to swap in a V8 than to buy it from the factory that way. Customization is cool though.
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