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Old 09-23-2007, 08:44 PM   #51
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Don't be surprised if the opposite of what you said occurs. They showed us a 400 hp Concept. They said, "this is what the top-of-the-line would be". Then Our friend Ed Peper said this during an interview for Autoblog:
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Ed Peper: No. Because again, the capabilities of a Corvette are world class. I mean, we are talking about a vehicle that competes in the American Le Mans Series with Aston Martins and all –no, there is no concern because what the Camaro is going to be is what it has always been, which is a really great looking vehicle that will have a muscle car or muscle car set of derivatives with it, but that will also have a fuel efficient version. It's a vehicle that you really, really can drive every single day -- a four seater and so forth, while Corvette is in a class all by itself. It's one of our ultimate brands at the company that just continues to do well. We try to keep the production, you know, in line and not build too many so it keeps a very strong demand. The Z06s are some of the fastest turning vehicles that we have.
They can't hand us a Camaro with less than 400hp (It'd be the worlds biggest WTF?!? moment)...

More power does not neccesarily cost more money. As engines advance you get more power for the same price. Check out the LS series:
LS-1 +/- 350hp.
LS-2 400hp
LS-3 430(6) hp

And all those engines cost about 7k by themselves in their time.
and they're not worried about stepping on the Vette (I'm not saying they will, though). So... I just spurt out what I read. Not trying to be an ass.:p
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:05 PM   #52
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Don't be surprised if the opposite of what you said occurs. They showed us a 400 hp Concept. They said, "this is what the top-of-the-line would be". Then Our friend Ed Peper said this during an interview for Autoblog:
They can't hand us a Camaro with less than 400hp (It'd be the worlds biggest WTF?!? moment)...

More power does not neccesarily cost more money. As engines advance you get more power for the same price. Check out the LS series:
LS-1 +/- 350hp.
LS-2 400hp
LS-3 430(6) hp

And all those engines cost about 7k by themselves in their time.
and they're not worried about stepping on the Vette (I'm not saying they will, though). So... I just spurt out what I read. Not trying to be an ass.:p

pluuuuuuuuuus, the camaro engines are derived from the corvette engines. the vette comes out with a new engine, then the next year the camaro gets a detuned version of the same engine. throw a tune at it and you've got vette hp!

but as a general rule

FAST
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:30 PM   #53
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Nice addition to your sig, my friend...LMAO,
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:37 PM   #54
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Nice addition to your sig, my friend...LMAO,
I just thought it was funny

cough *adding to my distaste of the new GTO* cough
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Old 09-23-2007, 11:10 PM   #55
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I'm not an expert on these things, but it seems like historically the Camaro has often as not recieved a corvette engine that is a year or two old for use in the top Camaro. so its not as if it would be shocking to hear that the camaro gets the LS3 at 430 hp. Also, I have read in some mag a few months ago (ie don't take this too seriously) that the guys working on the Camaro are NOT worried about the 425 hp 6.1L hemi in the Challenger. Take that how you want
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Old 09-23-2007, 11:24 PM   #56
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I'm not an expert on these things, but it seems like historically the Camaro has often as not recieved a corvette engine that is a year or two old for use in the top Camaro. so its not as if it would be shocking to hear that the camaro gets the LS3 at 430 hp. Also, I have read in some mag a few months ago (ie don't take this too seriously) that the guys working on the Camaro are NOT worried about the 425 hp 6.1L hemi in the Challenger. Take that how you want
yup yup yup


they did say they werent/arent worried about the challenger

look at it this way

Challenger
425hp 4000lbs

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Old 09-23-2007, 11:42 PM   #57
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I also heard a person named 'Scott', whoever that is mention to some folks complaining that they needn't worry. "Class leading acceleration, and overall performance" are part of the equation they're putting together.

So. being the follower I am. I believe it.
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Old 09-23-2007, 11:43 PM   #58
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Back on the topic of only having one V8 (dragons??? engine swaps on a car that hasn't been built???), that will only be at initial launch and it will not have the 425-450 hp so many believe. I would estimate 375-400 hp. The Camaro won't have the same or more power than the Corvette that costs 50% more. Power costs money and if they want to price it below $30,000 to start, it won't have as much power as an SRT-8 Hemi. Besides, the Corvette always gets the best stuff first as performance flagship, so once the Stingray (Blue Devil, or whatever) comes out, the power and technology will trickle down.

The old 4th gens had roughly the same power, much closer than the ratings from the factory. GM understated it by a lot. A number of people noticed it after they dynoed their cars.
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Old 09-23-2007, 11:45 PM   #59
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I can only imagine the smug looks on people's faces...360, 370? WTF??!?! I mean, yeah...pretty sweet, huh?

I wonder if the Insurance companies ever cought on, or do they have to strictly go by what the manufacturer says, unless you report a modification?
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Old 09-24-2007, 12:10 AM   #60
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I can only imagine the smug looks on people's faces...360, 370? WTF??!?! I mean, yeah...pretty sweet, huh?

I wonder if the Insurance companies ever cought on, or do they have to strictly go by what the manufacturer says, unless you report a modification?
who does that?
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Old 09-24-2007, 06:54 AM   #61
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I don't know...but I put it out there anyways. Kinda like saying...obey the highway speed limit.... yeah right!
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:12 PM   #62
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I'll take a Camaro in any V-8 form they give us. After all we are what ever they want to call us. Auto enthusiasts, hot rodders, what ever. we will do what we currently do. Take a great car use after market parts and technology and make a better car. Look at what has been done with 3rd and 4th gen Camaros. If it wasn't for what we do, the SEMA industry and the show wouldn't be what it is. THEY know what we want and will certainly give it to us. We are their bread and butter. Good things come to those who wait!
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Good things come to those who wait!
Well, for the amount of time we're all having to wait, this better be one great vehicle!

Nah, I'm not worried though. As great as I'm expecting this car to be, I know that I'll be surprised at how much better it is than I could have ever imagined.
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Well, for the amount of time we're all having to wait, this better be one great vehicle!
no doubt, for the amount that we've been waiting, they should release a Bumblebee version that actually transforms.
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mark my words there will be a limited version of the camaro with the 7.0 liter
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mark my words there will be a limited version of the camaro with the 7.0 liter
and will be called zl-1
That would be a dream come true! That'd be the one I'd want...but sure it would be around $40k in price which I couldn't afford...:(
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ZL-1 would be sweet, but the original ZL1's were double the price. I don't think I'd pay 60-70k for one. I'd rather buy a Z28 and make it faster for less cash.
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No there wont. 7.0L is history after 08.
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Has anyone mentioned a big block option? Something similar to the 8.1 liter that Chevy offered in their 2500+ trucks up until about last year I think.
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well the 7.0L is almost a big block, its a 427 cu which has historically been made with a big block but through the magic of modern materials we can now put the same displacement into a small block (and actually last more than a few miles). It would be amazing if they were able to get the 454 into a production small block. wonder if it is even possible . . . the old 454 had a bore of 4.25" and the spacing on the LS series is what, 4.4"? that leaves only 0.15" of material between cylinders . . . thats half what is currently on the LS7. So i doubt it could happen unless the block itself gets a bit bigger.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:59 PM   #72
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I'm sure at some point, just to prove everyone wrong, or right...they'll do something like that...It'll be amazing to see though...

"What are you running?"

"454."

"oooh, Big Block, huh? Impressive."

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Old 10-03-2007, 02:01 PM   #73
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First of all, I'd like to say good day to all of the Camaro Enthusiasts out there. I've been reading everyone's posts on here for a long time and finally decided to join. Primarily because of the question asked below, and because Dragoneye called us onlookers out a little while ago. (didn't know you were watchin' LOL!!)

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Yes it is possible and it has been done already. Not production, but Chevy has built a 454 cid and it is in Reggy Jackson's Red '69 Camaro. Check it out for yourself. http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/Ra...ie_jackson.jsp
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Oh, and did I mention that it was built using the all new LSX which is an LS series small block which is capable of 500+ cid. Gotta love that!!!
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damn, I forgot about that...LSX FTW!

And Welcome! Glad you finally decided to join!
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